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Dean Winchester · 02-05-2006, 04:44 PM

I notice there is so much love for Crash here, what about Brokeback?

I am surprised at all the late night talk show jokes about the movie.

I find it funny that some moviegoers on other boards can't discriminate between personal opinions and art. One guy on HomeTheaterForum pissed a lot of people off by attacking the movie and saying he refuses to see it because of his stand on homosexuality. But for crying out loud, I don't think very many people condoned cannibalism and it didn't stop us from watching Silence Of The Lambs (which was an Oscar-winner and deserved every Oscar it won), people who hate the idea of war still watched Saving Private Ryan, so why is Brokeback any different? It actually doesn't have a happy ending so you don't have to worry about it being one of those happy gay pride movies (or whatever). It's a beautiful, heartbreaking story about love and loss, and it has beautiful cinematography and whether you were pulling for them to get together or disagree with their lifestyles, you can't say the movie doesn't stick with you after it ends.

Jake Gyllenhaal was great, but the real find IMO was Heath Ledger. Jake has already shown he's a good actor (okay, Bubble Boy is forgiven) but up until now, Heath has pretty much only taken "pretty boy" roles, in The Patriot, 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knights Tale, etc... he was mostly cast to bring in young girls (and gay boys) and pretty much made off in those movies making pretty faces into the camera, but with Brokeback, he really has shown that he is a talented actor and has a real future ahead of him.

Karen* · 02-05-2006, 06:15 PM

I wanna watch this movie sooooooooooooo bad. It's not playing at the theater I work at, so I have to go elsewhere.

Number 9 Dream · 02-05-2006, 07:59 PM

I freakin' LOVE this movie. Anyone who can't look past the 'gay cowboy' aspect is missing out on an important message here, a message about a lost chance at happiness. I feel it's a message we should all be able to relate, gay or straight and it honestly shouldn't matter. The movie touched me in so many ways and I really hope it takes home some Oscars.

I agree with what you said about Heath Ledger. This movie really made his acting abilities shine. While the character of Ennis was a hard one to play, I think Jake did a phenomenal job with the character of Jack as well. The tenderness and heartbreak was conveyed so well through his eyes, his facial expressions, the intonation in his voice. He did an excellent job and I honestly don't consider him to be the 'supporting actor' here. For me, they were equally wonderful in different ways.

Ahh, talking about it makes me want to see it again

Brian Damage · 02-06-2006, 12:15 AM

Crash is getting talked up so much, because it was an excellent film. The best of the year as far as I'm concerned. It truly deserves to win best picture, although it probably won't because of Brokeback. Despite what people say, Brokeback is the favorite, not because it is the best film, but because of the "gay" theme. IMHO.

HuntingtonM15 · 02-06-2006, 01:05 AM

I really hope it does win. Everything about the film was top notch. I know a lot of people LOVE Crash, but I don't understand it at all. In my opinion, it was the most overrated film of the year. I thought it was boring and predictable. Yes, the acting was good, but that didn't do it for me. It was like give me a break...yes, we're all lovely deep down, and there's always something that makes us all just human in the end.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Capote win Best Picture, either, but I know that will never happen, so I'm going with Brokeback.

lockdown06 · 02-06-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HUNG UP!

I notice there is so much love for Crash here, what about Brokeback?

I am surprised at all the late night talk show jokes about the movie.

I find it funny that some moviegoers on other boards can't discriminate between personal opinions and art. One guy on HomeTheaterForum pissed a lot of people off by attacking the movie and saying he refuses to see it because of his stand on homosexuality. But for crying out loud, I don't think very many people condoned cannibalism and it didn't stop us from watching Silence Of The Lambs (which was an Oscar-winner and deserved every Oscar it won), people who hate the idea of war still watched Saving Private Ryan, so why is Brokeback any different? It actually doesn't have a happy ending so you don't have to worry about it being one of those happy gay pride movies (or whatever). It's a beautiful, heartbreaking story about love and loss, and it has beautiful cinematography and whether you were pulling for them to get together or disagree with their lifestyles, you can't say the movie doesn't stick with you after it ends.

Jake Gyllenhaal was great, but the real find IMO was Heath Ledger. Jake has already shown he's a good actor (okay, Bubble Boy is forgiven) but up until now, Heath has pretty much only taken "pretty boy" roles, in The Patriot, 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knights Tale, etc... he was mostly cast to bring in young girls (and gay boys) and pretty much made off in those movies making pretty faces into the camera, but with Brokeback, he really has shown that he is a talented actor and has a real future ahead of him.

I Won't watch it because I do not wanna see more "gay" movies being released. If one is supported, the companies will ask "why no make another".

My opinion love me or hate me for it.

Howdoulikemenow333 · 02-06-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lockdown06

I Won't watch it because I do not wanna see more "gay" movies being released. If one is supported, the companies will ask "why no make another".

My opinion love me or hate me for it.

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them. You can have your own opinion and critizies others,and so can I.

TVFactFan · 02-06-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by alaskaboy

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them. You can have your own opinion and critizies others,and so can I.

Ok why would a straight guy be interested in a gay movie? Most straight men have no interest in things like that. And why should a straight be criticized if has no interest in gay movies? Please tell me.

lockdown06 · 02-06-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by alaskaboy

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them. You can have your own opinion and critizies others,and so can I.

just as you may choose to support the girl scouts by buying cookies, or the little league by buying candy bars. I don't watch movies or Television with gay themes. Will and Grace don't come on on my TV.

I never criticized gay people, what they do behind closed doors is their business, I just don't wanna see it AT ALL. The only person criticizing anyone is YOU.

Dean Winchester · 02-06-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lockdown06

just as you may choose to support the girl scouts by buying cookies, or the little league by buying candy bars. I don't watch movies or Television with gay themes. Will and Grace don't come on on my TV.

I never criticized gay people, what they do behind closed doors is their business, I just don't wanna see it AT ALL. The only person criticizing anyone is YOU.

Will and Grace is HARDLY gay. I don't necessarily say a show where the gay characters are so straight-washed out that it's not even funny and the hetero characters are the only ones who've scored at all over eight seasons is hardly "queer television". The makers of Queer As Folk even vocally attacked how safe Will And Grace was. Will And Grace qualifies as realistic gay television about as much as The Cosby Show qualifies as realistic African-American television. If a movie or TV show is good, and happens to have a gay character, why refuse to watch it? If you won't watch W&G, then you really have issues with being gay... you cannot even begin to compare that show with Queer As Folk and The L Word, shows that actually ARE about gays.

and why did you defend Neo-Nazis on the thread about Jacob whatshisname?

comedyfreak · 02-06-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alaskaboy

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them.

Like TVresearcher said, a straight male is not going to be intersted in a gay themed movie. You also don't see Horror films winning or being nominated for an Academy award either. All this hoopla over two guys doing each other is really rediculous.

Dean Winchester · 02-06-2006, 05:21 PM

I don't understand this bull**** about "straights are not interested in watching a gay themed movie". I am gay, and there are many, many, many HETEROSEXUAL THEMED MOVIES that I love and have on DVD. I see hypocrisy, if I see a straight love story that looks like a good movie, you don't see me going "well, I don't like the opposite sex... so I can't identify with this love story", yea right!! Get off your high horses, there is no difference with heterosexual audiences watching Brokeback Mountain and with homosexual audiences watching Titanic or Pretty Woman or literally any "chick flick" that tells a love story. I love Pretty Woman, it's one of my favorite movies ever made, I have no "I can't identify with this" feelings because it was a love story between a man and a woman.

And Comedyfreak, have you ever stopped to think that critics and audiences love this movie because maybe it's a GOOD MOVIE? A number of gay-themed movies come out every year that aren't as good as Brokeback and do not get the same attention.

Dean Winchester · 02-06-2006, 05:36 PM

following the same bull**** logic that critics only like Brokeback because it's gay-related... then Crash is only getting all this attention because there's still racial tension going on in the US and you still hear about white cops shooting innocent black men. Therefore the only reason people like Crash is because of the racial overtones..... If you're gonna say one, then the other is true too.

Why didn't D.E.B.S. get nominations this year too then? that was a gay-themed love story and you didn't see any nominations there. Why wasn't Trick or Kiss Me Guido or Go Fish or countless other gay movies recognized by the Academy?

Why didn't people object and say there was political reasoning why Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (FILMED BY THE SAME DIRECTOR AS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN!!!!) was nominated for countless Oscars a few years back? Why is one of his movies okay, and the other isn't?

Dean Winchester · 02-06-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lockdown06

I Won't watch it because I do not wanna see more "gay" movies being released. If one is supported, the companies will ask "why no make another".

My opinion love me or hate me for it.

why are "gay" movies hurting you? I mean, I hate reality TV, but I'm not going to say "no more reality tv ever", because some people do like it. Why is it so bad if gays and lesbians have movies out there that WE can identify with? the more you oppress us, the worse it's gonna get down the road. You know one of the reasons you cannot escape rap on MTV now is basically karmic payback for MTV refusing to play black artists in the early 1980's, right? The more people try to hold gays back, the worse gays are gonna suffocate you down the road. Let them make the gay movies and just don't see them. Queer cinema isn't going anywhere.

Dean Winchester · 02-06-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Crash is getting talked up so much, because it was an excellent film. The best of the year as far as I'm concerned. It truly deserves to win best picture, although it probably won't because of Brokeback. Despite what people say, Brokeback is the favorite, not because it is the best film, but because of the "gay" theme. IMHO.

just curiously, did you see Brokeback or just basing it on what you assume the movie is?

If anything the controversy over the movie might hurt it in the long run, kinda like how The Crying Game likely didn't win Best Picture because of the "secret" about Jaye Davidson's character. It really is a good movie and it has nothing to do with gay or straight, because I hate a lot of the so-called "queer movies" that are released and I hate Will And Grace, and grew tired of Queer As Folk very quickly, but I did think Brokeback Mountain is a good movie, not good gay movie, but good movie period.

02-05-2006, 04:44 PM	#1
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	Brokeback Mountain I notice there is so much love for Crash here, what about Brokeback? I am surprised at all the late night talk show jokes about the movie. I find it funny that some moviegoers on other boards can't discriminate between personal opinions and art. One guy on HomeTheaterForum pissed a lot of people off by attacking the movie and saying he refuses to see it because of his stand on homosexuality. But for crying out loud, I don't think very many people condoned cannibalism and it didn't stop us from watching Silence Of The Lambs (which was an Oscar-winner and deserved every Oscar it won), people who hate the idea of war still watched Saving Private Ryan, so why is Brokeback any different? It actually doesn't have a happy ending so you don't have to worry about it being one of those happy gay pride movies (or whatever). It's a beautiful, heartbreaking story about love and loss, and it has beautiful cinematography and whether you were pulling for them to get together or disagree with their lifestyles, you can't say the movie doesn't stick with you after it ends. Jake Gyllenhaal was great, but the real find IMO was Heath Ledger. Jake has already shown he's a good actor (okay, Bubble Boy is forgiven) but up until now, Heath has pretty much only taken "pretty boy" roles, in The Patriot, 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knights Tale, etc... he was mostly cast to bring in young girls (and gay boys) and pretty much made off in those movies making pretty faces into the camera, but with Brokeback, he really has shown that he is a talented actor and has a real future ahead of him.

02-05-2006, 06:15 PM	#2
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02-05-2006, 07:59 PM	#3
Number 9 Dream That '70s Girl Forum Veteran Join Date: Jan 18, 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 5,875	I freakin' LOVE this movie. Anyone who can't look past the 'gay cowboy' aspect is missing out on an important message here, a message about a lost chance at happiness. I feel it's a message we should all be able to relate, gay or straight and it honestly shouldn't matter. The movie touched me in so many ways and I really hope it takes home some Oscars. I agree with what you said about Heath Ledger. This movie really made his acting abilities shine. While the character of Ennis was a hard one to play, I think Jake did a phenomenal job with the character of Jack as well. The tenderness and heartbreak was conveyed so well through his eyes, his facial expressions, the intonation in his voice. He did an excellent job and I honestly don't consider him to be the 'supporting actor' here. For me, they were equally wonderful in different ways. Ahh, talking about it makes me want to see it again
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02-06-2006, 12:15 AM	#4
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02-06-2006, 01:05 AM	#5
HuntingtonM15 That Bothers Me Moderator Forum Star Join Date: Jun 20, 2003 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 11,059	I really hope it does win. Everything about the film was top notch. I know a lot of people LOVE Crash, but I don't understand it at all. In my opinion, it was the most overrated film of the year. I thought it was boring and predictable. Yes, the acting was good, but that didn't do it for me. It was like give me a break...yes, we're all lovely deep down, and there's always something that makes us all just human in the end. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Capote win Best Picture, either, but I know that will never happen, so I'm going with Brokeback.

02-06-2006, 05:21 PM	#12
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	I don't understand this bull**** about "straights are not interested in watching a gay themed movie". I am gay, and there are many, many, many HETEROSEXUAL THEMED MOVIES that I love and have on DVD. I see hypocrisy, if I see a straight love story that looks like a good movie, you don't see me going "well, I don't like the opposite sex... so I can't identify with this love story", yea right!! Get off your high horses, there is no difference with heterosexual audiences watching Brokeback Mountain and with homosexual audiences watching Titanic or Pretty Woman or literally any "chick flick" that tells a love story. I love Pretty Woman, it's one of my favorite movies ever made, I have no "I can't identify with this" feelings because it was a love story between a man and a woman. And Comedyfreak, have you ever stopped to think that critics and audiences love this movie because maybe it's a GOOD MOVIE? A number of gay-themed movies come out every year that aren't as good as Brokeback and do not get the same attention.

02-06-2006, 05:36 PM	#13
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	following the same bull**** logic that critics only like Brokeback because it's gay-related... then Crash is only getting all this attention because there's still racial tension going on in the US and you still hear about white cops shooting innocent black men. Therefore the only reason people like Crash is because of the racial overtones..... If you're gonna say one, then the other is true too. Why didn't D.E.B.S. get nominations this year too then? that was a gay-themed love story and you didn't see any nominations there. Why wasn't Trick or Kiss Me Guido or Go Fish or countless other gay movies recognized by the Academy? Why didn't people object and say there was political reasoning why Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (FILMED BY THE SAME DIRECTOR AS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN!!!!) was nominated for countless Oscars a few years back? Why is one of his movies okay, and the other isn't?