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dynoguy88 · 12-08-2005, 05:27 PM

A few off the top of my head -

KEITH WARREN DEATH - Too many dark details about this case that point the finger towards murder. But the police won't even begin to think for a second that it was anything other than suicide... and why? Because it makes their lives easier. It's so sad that Keith's family has to fight this battle on their own because they won't get ANY help from the police.

CINDY JAMES CASE - Whether Cindy was truly being stalked all of those years or whether she was doing all of those horrible things to herself, the police never once saw anything. They were convinced for so many years that she was behind all of the terror. O.K., fine. If you believed that than why didn't you set something up? Why didn't they ever tell her that surveillance was taken off of her house but instead leave it on so they could try and catch her in the act? They had 7 1/2 years to try that theory out and they never did. If a tormentor wasn't behind Cindy's problems than she successfully hid all of these instances from police eyes for the better part of a decade. And you never once witnessed anything? Very impressive, Vancouver Police.

KENTUCKY PROSTITUTE MURDERS - This leans more toward police corruption than toward police stupidity. There's not a doubt in my mind that Ed Carter (the guilty as sin police officer in the segment) was responsible for Gloria and Candy's deaths. He was banned from the New Life Massage parlor just a couple weeks before the murders when he pretty much tried to take over the business. He says he returned home an hour before the murders took place which his wife disputes and he also said he didn't own the same kind of gun used in the killings which was a lie. And even putting the murders aside, the entire police department was at the massage parlor all of the time taking bribes from the girls. That money got them comfortable new parts for their police cars, Christmas bonuses, Christmas parties, police lights, etc. They had a pretty good thing going there. What's sad though is seeing that these two young woman were prostitutes and not the mayors daughter or police chief's daughter, their deaths won't get the same kind of investigation they should.

In cases like these, you have to wonder who will police the police?

Any other cases of questionable police acts?

Mr.Clairvoyant · 12-08-2005, 06:03 PM

ALL OF THESE ARE GOOD CASES IN FACT WE GOT A HOT AN HEAVY ONE GOING ON RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE CINDY JAMES CASE.. AND I REALLY HAVE STRONG VIEWS ON THE KEITH WARREN CASE.. LOOK FOR MY POST ON HERE ABOUT THE KEITH WARREN YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN LOL!

Awsi Dooger · 12-09-2005, 04:12 AM

I like that line, "who will police the police?" The only problem is it dates to Johnnie Cochran and a blatant case in which police got it right but the prosecution and jury screwed up. Just my opinion, obviously. But that's the ultimate case I'd love to have a tape of what actually happened and bet every wordly cent on who the perpetrator would be. Just give me one guess and that's plenty.

That Keith Warren case was especially troubling. Looks like someone within the department or with police connections felt bad for the family and tried to help their case by providing the pictures, but it wasn't enough.

Other UM cases I can think of with corrupt police, or police who screwed up by focusing on the wrong person:

* The Johnny Wilson case, where the mildly ******** guy was charged with murder after an elderly woman died after a fire in her home. Seemed like they took the word of one extremely dubious source then took advantage of Johnny Wilson's vulnerability during the so-called interrogation. Luckily the actual perpretators eventually admitted the crime including the existence of the stun gun

* The Ryan Stallings case, where police and prosecutors were ignorant of MMA and charged the mother with murder. Only a subsequent pregnancy pointed out the truth and led to the truth and her release

* I'm blanking on the name, but the Pittsburgh case where the man's son disappeared and his bones were eventually found on an embankment, mentioned during a UM update. Apparently the son's car was involved in some type of incident but the existence of the car and the accident was covered up. Then when the car was found and the accident on the day the son disappeared was revealed, the police chief asked his assistant to type a phony document with the wrong date used atop the document, to cover his ass. If I remember correctly there was even a situation where the chief was forced out of office but then reinstated. That case made me sick.

* The small town police chief who murdered the disabled woman who he convinced to move into the same apartment complex where he lived. He initially denied having an affair with her. Somehow the name just came to me. I think it was Greg Webb, or something like that.

One case where the police got it right but the chief investigator screamed as completely incompetent on UM and one other program was the Stuart Heaton case. They apparently ignored every other possibility of the case, even what should have been basic police inquiry. That blond and mustached police chief came across as one of the most overmatched deer-in-the-headlights law enforcement officials in UM history.

Kane · 12-09-2005, 02:21 PM

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* I'm blanking on the name, but the Pittsburgh case where the man's son disappeared and his bones were eventually found on an embankment, mentioned during a UM update. Apparently the son's car was involved in some type of incident but the existence of the car and the accident was covered up. Then when the car was found and the accident on the day the son disappeared was revealed, the police chief asked his assistant to type a phony document with the wrong date used atop the document, to cover his ass. If I remember correctly there was even a situation where the chief was forced out of office but then reinstated. That case made me sick.

The missing man was Michael Rosenblum.

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* The small town police chief who murdered the disabled woman who he convinced to move into the same apartment complex where he lived. He initially denied having an affair with her. Somehow the name just came to me. I think it was Greg Webb, or something like that.

Yes, it was Greg Webb.

crystaldawn · 12-09-2005, 02:24 PM

Don't forget the Jeanine Nicarico case where two men were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death before eventually being exonerated.

dynoguy88 · 12-09-2005, 03:53 PM

Good call on the Ryan Stallings case. What always bugged me was that the effects of MMA took 3 whole days (after the visitation with Patty) before he started to be violently ill leading towards his death. Yet, the police AND jury thought for sure that she poisoned him during those 5 minutes where they were alone.

Now, I'm no expert on poison obviously but I highly doubt that there is a posion like substance that takes a full 72 hours to kill a person after injesting it. Did these idiots ever once stop and think about that? Come on people.

Kane · 12-13-2005, 02:31 PM

Don't forget John Patrick Addis. He is wanted for murder. In addition to being shown on UM (whose official web site contains his profile), he's also been repeatedly featured on AMW (most recently this past spring).

DarkDante · 12-13-2005, 06:30 PM

I often wonder what happened to Michael Rosenblum. I know his bones were discovered but what possible motive could have the police had to kill this young man and then hide his body. This is one I wonder if it has gotten solved and UM just never posted a further update (they very rarely - update their updates) - It seems like Maurice Rosenblum was hellbent on finding out who murdered his son - The whole case is disturbing - Any theories guys?

You guys forgot the most obvious cases for police corruption and cover up - Kevin Ives & Don Henry (Boys On The Tracks) and Tommy Burkett which is the most obvious police/government cover-up if I've ever seen one.

To throw a wildcard in the mix: Judge Robert Corlew should have his robe removed and burned. He can hide behind the "law" but I hope that the Baskin case gives this piece of garbage restless nights for the rest of his life. His rulings in the case were unethical and downright bizzare from the evidence presented on the UM segment. It is key to remember that these rulings and the conduct of the Mufreesboro, Tennessee (sp?) court system directly led to the abduction of two children. One of the things that is so aggrivating about the Baskin case is how many times "the ball was dropped" by the court system. Maybe not corruption but just being plain inept.

Kane · 12-14-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkDante

To throw a wildcard in the mix: Judge Robert Corlew should have his robe removed and burned. He can hide behind the "law" but I hope that the Baskin case gives this piece of garbage restless nights for the rest of his life. His rulings in the case were unethical and downright bizzare from the evidence presented on the UM segment. It is key to remember that these rulings and the conduct of the Mufreesboro, Tennessee (sp?) court system directly led to the abduction of two children. One of the things that is so aggrivating about the Baskin case is how many times "the ball was dropped" by the court system. Maybe not corruption but just being plain inept.

In any case, Corlew's ethics (or lack of it) qualifies him as a stench on the bench.

HyeTev · 12-14-2005, 02:46 PM

Interesting thread.

I am reminded of the Stanley Gryziec murder in which the police were insistent that he was killed with a knife. Family members later found a shell casing in plain sight on the floor near where he was killed. How could the police have missed that? Mr. Gryziec's body was exhumed and a second autopsy was conducted which concluded that he was killed by a bullet.

I understand that the murder may have been connected to organized crime activities in and around Rome, NY but it seems that, based on the way the investigation was initially conducted, someone in the police department was either protecting the identity of the killer(s) or was involved. A strong case of police incompetence and corruption in my mind.

This case has always intrigued me. Always will.

soilentgreen · 12-14-2005, 03:20 PM

I think the police bungled Kathy Page's murder case--they didn't even attempt to search her house for several years. If I'm remembering right, there wasn't any film in the camera that was used to take photos of the crime scene. I can't blame her family for being angry.

I was always hoping that the murders Michael Self was convicted of would be reexamined, considering the methods the two cops used to get a confession from him and other people.

kadrmas15 · 06-30-2006, 05:37 AM

Whatever happened to Greg Webb? I know he got arrested in 1993 in Jacksonville and I assumed he was returned to Nebraska. However I looked on the Nebraska Department of Corrections and couldnt find Greg Webb. Maybe he got out of the charges? I have no idea, I cant find anything on the guy though.

kadrmas15 · 06-30-2006, 06:02 AM

Hi folks, well I did find Greg Webb on the Nebraska Department of Corrections afterall. I had first searched for him but I had only got one page of names but that was because I didnt scroll down to the bottom of the page where it told me there was several pages. Greg Webb though is no longer in prison. Gregory J. Webb who has also used the alias Gregory Webber was released in 2002. Webb was convicted of a lesser charge of manslaughter as well as tampering with evidence and was sentenced to 19 years in prison. Webb was sentenced to 14 years for the manslaughter and 5 years for the evidence tampering. Webb was sentenced to the maximum on both and he was sentenced according to 1987 sentencing guidelines. Webb however apperantly was a model prisoner because the 19 years he was sentenced to was whittled down because of good behavior and being a model prisoner and he ended up being released after serving 8 years and 3 and a half months in prison. Remember he was sentenced according to 1987 sentencing guidelines and on the crimes he committed he actually became first eligible for parole after serving just 3 years. Webb began his sentence on May 5th, 1994 and first became eligible for parole on April 22nd, 1997 after serving not even 3 years in prison. However he was denied the first couple of times he was eligibile. Webb was granted parole in April of 2002 and he was officially released from prison on August 22nd, 2002. Webb was born on July 23rd, 1950 so he will be 56 next month. While he was in prison Webb was inmate No. 45551. I cant believe he is out of prison already. Not only that but he was released because of his good behavior the rest of his sentence is considered served. Unbelieveable. He got off easy.

kadrmas15 · 06-30-2006, 06:06 AM

It is interesting to note that Webb was released after serving the minimum amount of time for his crimes which was 8 years and 4 months in prison. That is the minimum amount of time you can be sentenced to for those crimes. Besides the alias Gregory Webber, Webb has also used the alias's Mark Engelbens and Mark P. Engelbens.

LooksLikeCRicci · 06-30-2006, 12:34 PM

WHAT? I can't believe that he got the minimum punishment! You've all heard my rants about how police officers, doctors, and members of the clergy all have duties not to violate the public trust that has been placed in them simply because of their respective professions.

In my opinion, the Anna Anton case was one of the worst examples of betraying that trust. Sure, I know that Anna and Greg were sexually involved and that this skews things a bit, but the fact that he murdered her and dumped her body where he knew there was going to be jurisdictional issues shows how methodical and twisted he really was. This guy does NOT deserve to be back on the streets.

12-08-2005, 05:27 PM	#1
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,674	Cases involving bad police or police corruption A few off the top of my head - KEITH WARREN DEATH - Too many dark details about this case that point the finger towards murder. But the police won't even begin to think for a second that it was anything other than suicide... and why? Because it makes their lives easier. It's so sad that Keith's family has to fight this battle on their own because they won't get ANY help from the police. CINDY JAMES CASE - Whether Cindy was truly being stalked all of those years or whether she was doing all of those horrible things to herself, the police never once saw anything. They were convinced for so many years that she was behind all of the terror. O.K., fine. If you believed that than why didn't you set something up? Why didn't they ever tell her that surveillance was taken off of her house but instead leave it on so they could try and catch her in the act? They had 7 1/2 years to try that theory out and they never did. If a tormentor wasn't behind Cindy's problems than she successfully hid all of these instances from police eyes for the better part of a decade. And you never once witnessed anything? Very impressive, Vancouver Police. KENTUCKY PROSTITUTE MURDERS - This leans more toward police corruption than toward police stupidity. There's not a doubt in my mind that Ed Carter (the guilty as sin police officer in the segment) was responsible for Gloria and Candy's deaths. He was banned from the New Life Massage parlor just a couple weeks before the murders when he pretty much tried to take over the business. He says he returned home an hour before the murders took place which his wife disputes and he also said he didn't own the same kind of gun used in the killings which was a lie. And even putting the murders aside, the entire police department was at the massage parlor all of the time taking bribes from the girls. That money got them comfortable new parts for their police cars, Christmas bonuses, Christmas parties, police lights, etc. They had a pretty good thing going there. What's sad though is seeing that these two young woman were prostitutes and not the mayors daughter or police chief's daughter, their deaths won't get the same kind of investigation they should. In cases like these, you have to wonder who will police the police? Any other cases of questionable police acts?

12-09-2005, 03:53 PM	#6
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,674	reply Good call on the Ryan Stallings case. What always bugged me was that the effects of MMA took 3 whole days (after the visitation with Patty) before he started to be violently ill leading towards his death. Yet, the police AND jury thought for sure that she poisoned him during those 5 minutes where they were alone. Now, I'm no expert on poison obviously but I highly doubt that there is a posion like substance that takes a full 72 hours to kill a person after injesting it. Did these idiots ever once stop and think about that? Come on people.

12-13-2005, 02:31 PM	#7
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	John Patrick Addis Don't forget John Patrick Addis. He is wanted for murder. In addition to being shown on UM (whose official web site contains his profile), he's also been repeatedly featured on AMW (most recently this past spring).

12-08-2005, 06:03 PM	#2
Mr.Clairvoyant Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 30, 2005 Posts: 139	ALL OF THESE ARE GOOD CASES IN FACT WE GOT A HOT AN HEAVY ONE GOING ON RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE CINDY JAMES CASE.. AND I REALLY HAVE STRONG VIEWS ON THE KEITH WARREN CASE.. LOOK FOR MY POST ON HERE ABOUT THE KEITH WARREN YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN LOL!

12-09-2005, 04:12 AM	#3
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	I like that line, "who will police the police?" The only problem is it dates to Johnnie Cochran and a blatant case in which police got it right but the prosecution and jury screwed up. Just my opinion, obviously. But that's the ultimate case I'd love to have a tape of what actually happened and bet every wordly cent on who the perpetrator would be. Just give me one guess and that's plenty. That Keith Warren case was especially troubling. Looks like someone within the department or with police connections felt bad for the family and tried to help their case by providing the pictures, but it wasn't enough. Other UM cases I can think of with corrupt police, or police who screwed up by focusing on the wrong person: * The Johnny Wilson case, where the mildly ******** guy was charged with murder after an elderly woman died after a fire in her home. Seemed like they took the word of one extremely dubious source then took advantage of Johnny Wilson's vulnerability during the so-called interrogation. Luckily the actual perpretators eventually admitted the crime including the existence of the stun gun * The Ryan Stallings case, where police and prosecutors were ignorant of MMA and charged the mother with murder. Only a subsequent pregnancy pointed out the truth and led to the truth and her release * I'm blanking on the name, but the Pittsburgh case where the man's son disappeared and his bones were eventually found on an embankment, mentioned during a UM update. Apparently the son's car was involved in some type of incident but the existence of the car and the accident was covered up. Then when the car was found and the accident on the day the son disappeared was revealed, the police chief asked his assistant to type a phony document with the wrong date used atop the document, to cover his ass. If I remember correctly there was even a situation where the chief was forced out of office but then reinstated. That case made me sick. * The small town police chief who murdered the disabled woman who he convinced to move into the same apartment complex where he lived. He initially denied having an affair with her. Somehow the name just came to me. I think it was Greg Webb, or something like that. One case where the police got it right but the chief investigator screamed as completely incompetent on UM and one other program was the Stuart Heaton case. They apparently ignored every other possibility of the case, even what should have been basic police inquiry. That blond and mustached police chief came across as one of the most overmatched deer-in-the-headlights law enforcement officials in UM history.

12-09-2005, 02:24 PM	#5
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Don't forget the Jeanine Nicarico case where two men were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death before eventually being exonerated.

12-13-2005, 06:30 PM	#8
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	I often wonder what happened to Michael Rosenblum. I know his bones were discovered but what possible motive could have the police had to kill this young man and then hide his body. This is one I wonder if it has gotten solved and UM just never posted a further update (they very rarely - update their updates) - It seems like Maurice Rosenblum was hellbent on finding out who murdered his son - The whole case is disturbing - Any theories guys? You guys forgot the most obvious cases for police corruption and cover up - Kevin Ives & Don Henry (Boys On The Tracks) and Tommy Burkett which is the most obvious police/government cover-up if I've ever seen one. To throw a wildcard in the mix: Judge Robert Corlew should have his robe removed and burned. He can hide behind the "law" but I hope that the Baskin case gives this piece of garbage restless nights for the rest of his life. His rulings in the case were unethical and downright bizzare from the evidence presented on the UM segment. It is key to remember that these rulings and the conduct of the Mufreesboro, Tennessee (sp?) court system directly led to the abduction of two children. One of the things that is so aggrivating about the Baskin case is how many times "the ball was dropped" by the court system. Maybe not corruption but just being plain inept.

12-14-2005, 02:46 PM	#10
HyeTev Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 14, 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 155	Interesting thread. I am reminded of the Stanley Gryziec murder in which the police were insistent that he was killed with a knife. Family members later found a shell casing in plain sight on the floor near where he was killed. How could the police have missed that? Mr. Gryziec's body was exhumed and a second autopsy was conducted which concluded that he was killed by a bullet. I understand that the murder may have been connected to organized crime activities in and around Rome, NY but it seems that, based on the way the investigation was initially conducted, someone in the police department was either protecting the identity of the killer(s) or was involved. A strong case of police incompetence and corruption in my mind. This case has always intrigued me. Always will.

12-14-2005, 03:20 PM	#11
soilentgreen Member Forum Regular Join Date: Oct 13, 2005 Posts: 622	I think the police bungled Kathy Page's murder case--they didn't even attempt to search her house for several years. If I'm remembering right, there wasn't any film in the camera that was used to take photos of the crime scene. I can't blame her family for being angry. I was always hoping that the murders Michael Self was convicted of would be reexamined, considering the methods the two cops used to get a confession from him and other people.

06-30-2006, 05:37 AM	#12
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Whatever happened to Greg Webb? I know he got arrested in 1993 in Jacksonville and I assumed he was returned to Nebraska. However I looked on the Nebraska Department of Corrections and couldnt find Greg Webb. Maybe he got out of the charges? I have no idea, I cant find anything on the guy though.

06-30-2006, 06:02 AM	#13
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Hi folks, well I did find Greg Webb on the Nebraska Department of Corrections afterall. I had first searched for him but I had only got one page of names but that was because I didnt scroll down to the bottom of the page where it told me there was several pages. Greg Webb though is no longer in prison. Gregory J. Webb who has also used the alias Gregory Webber was released in 2002. Webb was convicted of a lesser charge of manslaughter as well as tampering with evidence and was sentenced to 19 years in prison. Webb was sentenced to 14 years for the manslaughter and 5 years for the evidence tampering. Webb was sentenced to the maximum on both and he was sentenced according to 1987 sentencing guidelines. Webb however apperantly was a model prisoner because the 19 years he was sentenced to was whittled down because of good behavior and being a model prisoner and he ended up being released after serving 8 years and 3 and a half months in prison. Remember he was sentenced according to 1987 sentencing guidelines and on the crimes he committed he actually became first eligible for parole after serving just 3 years. Webb began his sentence on May 5th, 1994 and first became eligible for parole on April 22nd, 1997 after serving not even 3 years in prison. However he was denied the first couple of times he was eligibile. Webb was granted parole in April of 2002 and he was officially released from prison on August 22nd, 2002. Webb was born on July 23rd, 1950 so he will be 56 next month. While he was in prison Webb was inmate No. 45551. I cant believe he is out of prison already. Not only that but he was released because of his good behavior the rest of his sentence is considered served. Unbelieveable. He got off easy.

06-30-2006, 06:06 AM	#14
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	It is interesting to note that Webb was released after serving the minimum amount of time for his crimes which was 8 years and 4 months in prison. That is the minimum amount of time you can be sentenced to for those crimes. Besides the alias Gregory Webber, Webb has also used the alias's Mark Engelbens and Mark P. Engelbens.

06-30-2006, 12:34 PM	#15
LooksLikeCRicci Likes to live in a clean house Moderator Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 27, 2005 Posts: 4,050	WHAT? I can't believe that he got the minimum punishment! You've all heard my rants about how police officers, doctors, and members of the clergy all have duties not to violate the public trust that has been placed in them simply because of their respective professions. In my opinion, the Anna Anton case was one of the worst examples of betraying that trust. Sure, I know that Anna and Greg were sexually involved and that this skews things a bit, but the fact that he murdered her and dumped her body where he knew there was going to be jurisdictional issues shows how methodical and twisted he really was. This guy does NOT deserve to be back on the streets.