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Agent 13 · 12-01-2005, 12:53 PM

After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?

TVFactFan · 12-01-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 13

After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?

Are you talking about in the Trading forum or just S.O. period? I think banning in regards to the trading community is when a trader rips someone off

dlemond · 12-01-2005, 01:27 PM

I'd like to know why savageamusement has the right to ban anyone- without even talking to TJ- considering he is only a moderator.

And been here for only 2 years.
And has just 155 posts.

Not for nothing, but that was way out of line for him to take that action on his own.

Who else can do such things with their own discretion?

lazygrae · 12-01-2005, 02:05 PM

Also, what are the guidelines/procedures for getting reinstated?

scottdvd · 12-01-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dlemond

I'd like to know why savageamusement has the right to ban anyone- without even talking to TJ- considering he is only a moderator.

TJ explained this in another post. From what savageamusement told me TJ was aware of the suspension but it will not say suspension under their name, I think it can only say "BANNED" which made people think he was banned instead of suspended. In reality it was neither.

scottdvd · 12-01-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 13

After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?

There seems to be no boundaries. All I have heard is lets forget about it and move on. I thought we could express our thoughts here. Too bad the rules written are not followed and only enforced for the newer members.

Janice · 12-01-2005, 06:16 PM

The only people who can suspend regular members are TJ and the Administrators (Pavanbadal and Seth) and myself.

It's my understanding that TJ gave a moderator on this board the authority to suspend spammers, rip-off artists and trolls. There was a miscommunication and the person(s) who made the decision to suspended Solomon was under the impression that they had the authority to do so; when in reality, they did not.

If a member is a habitual and repeat offender, then TJ or an Admin will suspend or ban them. In Solomon's case, he was rude and swore at a member. If he didn't heed warnings from a moderator, TJ should have been notified.

I've suspended two, possibly three, regular members. It's a last resort. I wouldn't dream of suspending a long-time member without consulting TJ. I'm never quick on the trigger to give a member a time-out for profanity. I'd have to suspend half the board.

The rules regarding suspending/banning offenses are fluid and on a case by case basis. Nothing is written in stone or crystal clear. Various factors are considered - a member's previous conduct, the actual offense, number of previous warnings, their level of remorse (if any), etc.

Members frequently violate posting rules. People swear at each other all the time. I've had members swear at me. I warn them - first privately and delete the profanity. If they ignore my private warning, I'll issue a stern warning on the board. I ask TJ to intervene if they won't listen to me. That usually does the trick. When all else fails, they get a few days or a week off for bad behavior. It rarely comes to that.

Regarding reinstatement. With Solomon, he was reinstated because he shouldn't have been suspended in the first place. Beyond that, Solomon was very apologetic and remorseful. TJ is a fair and forgiving man. If a person has apologized to the entire board, the owner, the person they offended...I mean, it's time to let it go. Solomon apologized six ways into Sunday. I've accepted more apologies than I can remember.

Keep in mind that TJ would cut any of us the same break.

scottdvd · 12-01-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Janice

Regarding reinstatement. With Solomon, he was reinstated because he shouldn't have been suspended in the first place.

According to this rule he should have been suspended. But as long as everyone else will be cut the same slack then OK.

ANY Sitcoms Online user caught making racist and/or derogatory comments towards country, region, or group of people, OR ANY SITCOMS ONLINE MEMBER, will be suspended.

lilhave · 12-01-2005, 06:48 PM

Scott, you got your answer. There are rules but they are not enforced. A trioka sits down and determines on a case by basis if the offender should be suspended. What a way to run a group, We have rules but they are fluid and we the administrators have the option to change them at any time for any individual. Profanity is perfectly permissable if the individual is a good member and seems contrite. The tribunal will decide how contrite or not the person is.

What I said before about buddy, buddy is so true. Wow! Wonder how it would be if our court systems were run this way.?

Harvey

Janice · 12-01-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by scottdvd

According to this rule he should have been suspended. But as long as everyone else will be cut the same slack then OK.

ANY Sitcoms Online user caught making racist and/or derogatory comments towards country, region, or group of people, OR ANY SITCOMS ONLINE MEMBER, will be suspended.

Many many members violate that rule and are given another chance - even several chances. If you swore at Solomon, then apologized and explained to him and TJ that you were having a bad day, I guarantee that you would not be suspended.

If a new member signed up and was always looking for trouble, they would get suspended. It really depends on the situation.

Solomon is truly sorry, and has promised to modify his behavior. There's not much more one can ask of a person. People make mistakes.

I've put up with so much crap at Chit Chat, that I've learned that it's not in my or this site's best interest to hold a grudge. In fact, some of my closest friendships on this site initially started out during a dispute.

Often times, people get along better after something like this happens. I've seen it happen time and time again.

Agent 13 · 12-01-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Janice

If a new member signed up and was always looking for trouble, they would get suspended. It really depends on the situation.

I don't know how Solomon behaves in other sections of Sitcomsonline, but he has reputation in the trading post for seemingly always looking for trouble. This situation was by far the first and will not be the last. He regularly asks questions where he's thumbing his nose at a particular trader.

When I moderated here, I was constantly having to edit his posts. Many MANY had to be dumped in the "post graveyard". I'm stumped that he was so easily removed from being suspended.

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Originally Posted by Janice

I wouldn't dream of suspending a long-time member without consulting TJ.

So, the more posts you've made, the less time you have to serve under suspension, if at all? That disturbs me, but what do I know?

lilhave · 12-01-2005, 07:42 PM

Easy does it Jen. Policy, rules, logic and common sense have no place here. As you stated, be here for a long stay and you can do as you please. Short timers get bounced rapidly and middle of the roaders, who knows. As far as rules, monday is green, tuesday blue,wednesday orange, and thursday maybe green again or could be purple. Makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Like resturants have the special of the day, we have rules for all occasions.

Harvey

Brian Damage · 12-01-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lilhave

Easy does it Jen. Policy, rules, logic and common sense have no place here. As you stated, be here for a long stay and you can do as you please. Short timers get bounced rapidly and middle of the roaders, who knows. As far as rules, monday is green, tuesday blue,wednesday orange, and thursday maybe green again or could be purple. Makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Like resturants have the special of the day, we have rules for all occasions.

Harvey

Good I'm glad you finally understand. Now can we move on?

Brian

DAJIZZARIZZA · 12-01-2005, 08:02 PM

wait !!! ,.. before we move on ,.. how many damn moderators do sitcoms have already ,... lol ?

ps: that is a real question .

Brian Damage · 12-01-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DAJIZZARIZZA

wait !!! ,.. before we move on ,.. how many damn moderators do sitcoms have already ,... lol ?

ps: that is a real question .

Alot

12-01-2005, 12:53 PM	#1
Agent 13 Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 02, 2003 Location: Good ol' USA Posts: 1,510	Actions subject to banning After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?
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12-01-2005, 01:27 PM	#3
dlemond Hey, I know you. Moderator Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 03, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,751	I'd like to know why savageamusement has the right to ban anyone- without even talking to TJ- considering he is only a moderator. And been here for only 2 years. And has just 155 posts. Not for nothing, but that was way out of line for him to take that action on his own. Who else can do such things with their own discretion?

12-01-2005, 02:05 PM	#4
lazygrae Archivist Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 30, 2003 Location: Canada, watching the grooviest gang of fuzz who ever wore a badge. Posts: 460	Also, what are the guidelines/procedures for getting reinstated?

12-01-2005, 06:16 PM	#7
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	The only people who can suspend regular members are TJ and the Administrators (Pavanbadal and Seth) and myself. It's my understanding that TJ gave a moderator on this board the authority to suspend spammers, rip-off artists and trolls. There was a miscommunication and the person(s) who made the decision to suspended Solomon was under the impression that they had the authority to do so; when in reality, they did not. If a member is a habitual and repeat offender, then TJ or an Admin will suspend or ban them. In Solomon's case, he was rude and swore at a member. If he didn't heed warnings from a moderator, TJ should have been notified. I've suspended two, possibly three, regular members. It's a last resort. I wouldn't dream of suspending a long-time member without consulting TJ. I'm never quick on the trigger to give a member a time-out for profanity. I'd have to suspend half the board. The rules regarding suspending/banning offenses are fluid and on a case by case basis. Nothing is written in stone or crystal clear. Various factors are considered - a member's previous conduct, the actual offense, number of previous warnings, their level of remorse (if any), etc. Members frequently violate posting rules. People swear at each other all the time. I've had members swear at me. I warn them - first privately and delete the profanity. If they ignore my private warning, I'll issue a stern warning on the board. I ask TJ to intervene if they won't listen to me. That usually does the trick. When all else fails, they get a few days or a week off for bad behavior. It rarely comes to that. Regarding reinstatement. With Solomon, he was reinstated because he shouldn't have been suspended in the first place. Beyond that, Solomon was very apologetic and remorseful. TJ is a fair and forgiving man. If a person has apologized to the entire board, the owner, the person they offended...I mean, it's time to let it go. Solomon apologized six ways into Sunday. I've accepted more apologies than I can remember. Keep in mind that TJ would cut any of us the same break.

12-01-2005, 06:48 PM	#9
lilhave Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 03, 2004 Location: N.Y.C. Posts: 2,294	Scott, you got your answer. There are rules but they are not enforced. A trioka sits down and determines on a case by basis if the offender should be suspended. What a way to run a group, We have rules but they are fluid and we the administrators have the option to change them at any time for any individual. Profanity is perfectly permissable if the individual is a good member and seems contrite. The tribunal will decide how contrite or not the person is. What I said before about buddy, buddy is so true. Wow! Wonder how it would be if our court systems were run this way.? Harvey

12-01-2005, 07:42 PM	#12
lilhave Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 03, 2004 Location: N.Y.C. Posts: 2,294	Easy does it Jen. Policy, rules, logic and common sense have no place here. As you stated, be here for a long stay and you can do as you please. Short timers get bounced rapidly and middle of the roaders, who knows. As far as rules, monday is green, tuesday blue,wednesday orange, and thursday maybe green again or could be purple. Makes a whole lot of sense to me. Like resturants have the special of the day, we have rules for all occasions. Harvey

12-01-2005, 08:02 PM	#14
DAJIZZARIZZA Banned Banned!! Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 31, 2004 Location: Under Yankee Stadium Posts: 245	wait !!! ,.. before we move on ,.. how many damn moderators do sitcoms have already ,... lol ? ps: that is a real question .