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DarkDante · 10-31-2005, 01:28 AM

DID JULE CAYLOR MURDER HIS WIFE?

One of the most controversial figures profiled on "Unsolved Mysteries" is Jule Caylor an employee at the U.S. Forest Service in San Francisco, California. On the morning of June 12, 1985 after supposedly boarding a train at the Pleasant Hill BART station, Jules' wife Dottie mysteriously vanished, never to be seen again. Ever since then a cloud of suspicion has engulfed Jule Caylor causing many to question whether Jule Caylor was responsible for his wife's disappearance and possible death.

"Unsolved Mysteries" profiled the case of Dottie and Jule Caylor in 1987 and Jules' smug and somewhat bizarre behavior during the segment have led many to believe that Jule himself is the chief suspect in Dottie's disappearance. The problem with that theory is however is that no trace of Dottie's body has ever been found. Her case is shrouded in mystery as Dottie Caylor had just recently begun to overcome her fear of public places (agoraphobia) and on the surface did not seen like the type of person who would board a train alone on an impromptu journey.

In addition Dottie's agoraphobia over the years eroaded away her marriage to Jule Caylor. Eventually Dottie discovered that Jule had begun to seek companionship outside of their marriage. The couple fought constantly and on several occasions these fights ended in violence.

In most cases people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. However in the case of Jule Caylor there are so many bizarre questions and indications which point to his guilt that one has to wonder if he has gotten away with the perfect crime:

- Jule Caylor was the last person to see his wife alive. There is no record of her boarding a train the Pleasant Hill station. The only person's account that she intended to board a train comes from Jule Caylor who claimed he dropped her off there on the morning of her disappearance.

- There are several indications that at the time of Dottie's disappearance that the Caylors were in the early stages of a divorce. Jule had planned a job transfer to Salt Lake City and Dottie had refused to go with him. Dottie instead would pay Jule for his half of the house, and when he left on June 24 for the job transfer, Dottie would have her home.

- Dottie had begun attending women's support groups in the months prior to her disappearance. Friends speculate that attending these meetings was Dottie's first step in moving towards a life without Jule Caylor

- Jule recounted for police that Dottie had mentioned that she would "stay away from San Francisco" until Jule left for Salt Lake City, Utah. However upon Jule's transfer Dottie never did resurface in San Francisco or anywhere else.

- Jule Caylor did report his wife as a missing person until five days after her disappearance.

- A few days after Dottie's disappearance Jule discovered that her car was parked at the Pleasant Hill station with Dottie's belongings inside. After leaving several notes on the car imploring his wife to contact him he simply moved the car to avoid it getting tickets.

- Soon after that Jule called a real estate agent and asked her to list his house for rent. When she arrived Jule was sobbing on the couch over the breakup of his marriage.

- Some comments made by Jule Caylor during the "Unsolved Mysteries" broadcast cast further suspicion on him. During the interviews Caylor gives "no quarter" and comes off as a very cold and egocentric person with comments such as: ("I suspect that Dottie either willfully disappeared or got involved with the wrong person right from the start" - is this statement by Caylor a veiled reference to himself?) and ("It was hell living with Dottie, but since I've relocated to my new job and got settled in, life is looking pretty good") - this statement many "Unsolved Mysteries" fans cite as "proof positive" that Jule Caylor was responsible for his wife's disappearance.

- Another interesting fact is that initally Jule Caylor told police that he drove Dottie to the Pleasant Hill Station on the morning in question. He later said he never drove her to the Pleasant Hill station and that she must have driven herself there.

- The exact identity of the person who Dottie was going to visit on her ill-fated journey has never been identified nor has Dottie's intended destination. Jule Caylor claims Dottie never told him where she was headed to.

- A few days prior to Dottie's disapparance an auto mechanic was witness to a loud arguement between Dottie and Jule apparently over money.

- Prior to her disappearance Dottie was to inherit five thousand dollars and had also opened up a small bank account seperate from Jule Caylor. The last known activity on Dottie's account took place on the day prior to her disappearance when she wrote out two checks for small amounts. She has never made a claim on her inheritance.

- In 2004, Jule Caylor sought to be elected for the Utah House of Representatives, it was at this time in regard to Dottie's disappearance Jule stated: "It is a travesty that my family and I are being made to suffer again for this matter long past."

Jule Caylor is a definite puzzle. While it is important to note that while Caylor has always been considered a suspect in his wife's disappearance since no trace of Dottie's body has ever been found he has never been charged with any crime. It is also important to note that Caylor's affairs during his marriage to Dottie do not necessarily paint him out as a murderer as during their marriage Dottie's battles with agoraphobia caused her to become a prisoner in her own home and distanced herself from not only her husband but the world at large.

On the other side of the coin Jules' bizzare behavior as well as the strange circumstances regarding Dottie's absence over the past twenty years convinces many people that Jule Caylor indeed murdered his wife. As each year passes it becomes less and less likely that any trace of Dottie Caylor will be found - perhaps Jule Caylor did away with any evidence pertaining to his wife's death long ago or perhaps he had nothing at all to do with her disappearance. In one final twist even the inital stages of Dottie and Jules' relationship seem to shrouded in a bizarre web of intrigue. According to Dottie's sister: "in 1970 Dottie met a man who fascinated her.

Jim Rupp (aka Jule Caylor), an entomologist, was stocky, with a body-builder's frame that some would see as menacing. He had a curly mop of brown hair and his tiny eyes on a broad face often lent to an air of meekness. When he spoke, it was in a quiet and controlled manner.

Jim and Dottie were drawn to each other. They shared a love of the outdoors and could talk for hours about anything.

Jim had dated Dottie's roommate for three years, but when they split up Dottie found herself consoling and comforting Jim. He was vulnerable, she told friends, and for the first time in her life, Dottie felt needed.

There was just one problem with Jim. Almost everything he told Dottie about his life was a lie."

Later.

justins5256 · 11-01-2005, 12:18 AM

I think it's pretty obvious that Jule Caylor was stuck in an unhappy marriage, and that he wanted out. Some might say that this was his motive for killing Dottie. The way I see it, Dottie wanted out just as much as he did. For instance, we know Dottie joined the "Women in Transition" support group, and had secured a post office box, as well as a secret bank account with a good sum of money in it. Jule had accepted the job in Salt Lake City, and Dottie had already made it clear that she was not going to accompany him. We also know that Jule had made arrangements for Dottie to secure the house once he left. Sounds to me like the relationship was over. So, why kill her?

I am sympathetic of Jule Caylor because I feel that I have been in a very similar situation. I was once in a relationship with a young woman who was mentally unbalanced. She threatened my life and attempted to attack me physically on one occasion. I'm not a violent person, but I defended myself. Excuse the corny cliché, but being with her was a non-stop emotional roller coaster ride. By the time we broke it off, I was so drained emotionally that I honestly no longer cared what became of her. As bad as this may sound, my life did improve once she was out of it. If she had disappeared, as Dottie did, I don't think I would be out looking for her, nor would I be bawling.

Bottom line - I think Jule was done with the relationship. In the UM interview he looked like he didn't care what happened to Dottie because he honestly didn't. It was a nasty, messy relationship, and it was over. According to Jule, Dottie had claimed that she could "disappear" and make him look responsible. It's clear to me that Jule actually believes that this is the case. Assuming it is, why would anyone want to be involved in such sick drama?

I agree that Jule did say some pretty tacky things in the interview. And yes, he did come across looking a little arrogant and unlikable. However, I don't think it's fair to judge him on this alone (I realize you're not DD, but some people on here have in the past). It's not a crime to hate your significant other, folks.

In the absence of a body, Dottie has been declared dead by the courts. If there was sufficient evidence to indict Jule, it would have happened already.

Just my two cents.

rykey · 11-01-2005, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justins5256

If she had disappeared, as Dottie did, I don't think I would be out looking for her, nor would I be balling.

i wouldn't be BAWLING after she left, but i would probably be BALLING soon enough

crystaldawn · 11-01-2005, 02:45 PM

I can't stand Jule Caylor because of his callous comments on his interview and I'm sure I've made that clear in the past. I would buy your scenario easier though Justin if Dottie had remained in contact with her friends and family. Clearly they both wanted a divorce so Dottie wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of leaving him and hiding out and never speaking to the ones she truly did care about. She would have just left him and told him she was leaving I think but the fact she has never resurfaced to anyone she knew leads me to think she met with foul play. Of course he is the prime suspect. As for a motive, I'm not sure. Maybe he was afraid she would get too much in the divorce settlement but what is more likely is a fit of rage. He had mentioned in the interview that he hit her (wasn't it with a typewriter stand?) allegedly because she had a pair of scissors in her hand but one more of these violent arguments could have erupted and before he knew it he had killed her. He could have then hid her body and took her car to the BART station. That sounds a lot more plausible than a woman with agorophobia deciding to leave every person she ever knew and every trace of familiarity and start a new life and never look back. Just my two cents.

DF Justin · 11-03-2005, 01:06 PM

can we please dig up his backyard patio already!

10-31-2005, 01:28 AM	#1
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	Did Jule Caylor murder his wife? DID JULE CAYLOR MURDER HIS WIFE? One of the most controversial figures profiled on "Unsolved Mysteries" is Jule Caylor an employee at the U.S. Forest Service in San Francisco, California. On the morning of June 12, 1985 after supposedly boarding a train at the Pleasant Hill BART station, Jules' wife Dottie mysteriously vanished, never to be seen again. Ever since then a cloud of suspicion has engulfed Jule Caylor causing many to question whether Jule Caylor was responsible for his wife's disappearance and possible death. "Unsolved Mysteries" profiled the case of Dottie and Jule Caylor in 1987 and Jules' smug and somewhat bizarre behavior during the segment have led many to believe that Jule himself is the chief suspect in Dottie's disappearance. The problem with that theory is however is that no trace of Dottie's body has ever been found. Her case is shrouded in mystery as Dottie Caylor had just recently begun to overcome her fear of public places (agoraphobia) and on the surface did not seen like the type of person who would board a train alone on an impromptu journey. In addition Dottie's agoraphobia over the years eroaded away her marriage to Jule Caylor. Eventually Dottie discovered that Jule had begun to seek companionship outside of their marriage. The couple fought constantly and on several occasions these fights ended in violence. In most cases people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. However in the case of Jule Caylor there are so many bizarre questions and indications which point to his guilt that one has to wonder if he has gotten away with the perfect crime: - Jule Caylor was the last person to see his wife alive. There is no record of her boarding a train the Pleasant Hill station. The only person's account that she intended to board a train comes from Jule Caylor who claimed he dropped her off there on the morning of her disappearance. - There are several indications that at the time of Dottie's disappearance that the Caylors were in the early stages of a divorce. Jule had planned a job transfer to Salt Lake City and Dottie had refused to go with him. Dottie instead would pay Jule for his half of the house, and when he left on June 24 for the job transfer, Dottie would have her home. - Dottie had begun attending women's support groups in the months prior to her disappearance. Friends speculate that attending these meetings was Dottie's first step in moving towards a life without Jule Caylor - Jule recounted for police that Dottie had mentioned that she would "stay away from San Francisco" until Jule left for Salt Lake City, Utah. However upon Jule's transfer Dottie never did resurface in San Francisco or anywhere else. - Jule Caylor did report his wife as a missing person until five days after her disappearance. - A few days after Dottie's disappearance Jule discovered that her car was parked at the Pleasant Hill station with Dottie's belongings inside. After leaving several notes on the car imploring his wife to contact him he simply moved the car to avoid it getting tickets. - Soon after that Jule called a real estate agent and asked her to list his house for rent. When she arrived Jule was sobbing on the couch over the breakup of his marriage. - Some comments made by Jule Caylor during the "Unsolved Mysteries" broadcast cast further suspicion on him. During the interviews Caylor gives "no quarter" and comes off as a very cold and egocentric person with comments such as: ("I suspect that Dottie either willfully disappeared or got involved with the wrong person right from the start" - is this statement by Caylor a veiled reference to himself?) and ("It was hell living with Dottie, but since I've relocated to my new job and got settled in, life is looking pretty good") - this statement many "Unsolved Mysteries" fans cite as "proof positive" that Jule Caylor was responsible for his wife's disappearance. - Another interesting fact is that initally Jule Caylor told police that he drove Dottie to the Pleasant Hill Station on the morning in question. He later said he never drove her to the Pleasant Hill station and that she must have driven herself there. - The exact identity of the person who Dottie was going to visit on her ill-fated journey has never been identified nor has Dottie's intended destination. Jule Caylor claims Dottie never told him where she was headed to. - A few days prior to Dottie's disapparance an auto mechanic was witness to a loud arguement between Dottie and Jule apparently over money. - Prior to her disappearance Dottie was to inherit five thousand dollars and had also opened up a small bank account seperate from Jule Caylor. The last known activity on Dottie's account took place on the day prior to her disappearance when she wrote out two checks for small amounts. She has never made a claim on her inheritance. - In 2004, Jule Caylor sought to be elected for the Utah House of Representatives, it was at this time in regard to Dottie's disappearance Jule stated: "It is a travesty that my family and I are being made to suffer again for this matter long past." Jule Caylor is a definite puzzle. While it is important to note that while Caylor has always been considered a suspect in his wife's disappearance since no trace of Dottie's body has ever been found he has never been charged with any crime. It is also important to note that Caylor's affairs during his marriage to Dottie do not necessarily paint him out as a murderer as during their marriage Dottie's battles with agoraphobia caused her to become a prisoner in her own home and distanced herself from not only her husband but the world at large. On the other side of the coin Jules' bizzare behavior as well as the strange circumstances regarding Dottie's absence over the past twenty years convinces many people that Jule Caylor indeed murdered his wife. As each year passes it becomes less and less likely that any trace of Dottie Caylor will be found - perhaps Jule Caylor did away with any evidence pertaining to his wife's death long ago or perhaps he had nothing at all to do with her disappearance. In one final twist even the inital stages of Dottie and Jules' relationship seem to shrouded in a bizarre web of intrigue. According to Dottie's sister: "in 1970 Dottie met a man who fascinated her. Jim Rupp (aka Jule Caylor), an entomologist, was stocky, with a body-builder's frame that some would see as menacing. He had a curly mop of brown hair and his tiny eyes on a broad face often lent to an air of meekness. When he spoke, it was in a quiet and controlled manner. Jim and Dottie were drawn to each other. They shared a love of the outdoors and could talk for hours about anything. Jim had dated Dottie's roommate for three years, but when they split up Dottie found herself consoling and comforting Jim. He was vulnerable, she told friends, and for the first time in her life, Dottie felt needed. There was just one problem with Jim. Almost everything he told Dottie about his life was a lie." Later.

11-01-2005, 12:18 AM	#2
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	I think it's pretty obvious that Jule Caylor was stuck in an unhappy marriage, and that he wanted out. Some might say that this was his motive for killing Dottie. The way I see it, Dottie wanted out just as much as he did. For instance, we know Dottie joined the "Women in Transition" support group, and had secured a post office box, as well as a secret bank account with a good sum of money in it. Jule had accepted the job in Salt Lake City, and Dottie had already made it clear that she was not going to accompany him. We also know that Jule had made arrangements for Dottie to secure the house once he left. Sounds to me like the relationship was over. So, why kill her? I am sympathetic of Jule Caylor because I feel that I have been in a very similar situation. I was once in a relationship with a young woman who was mentally unbalanced. She threatened my life and attempted to attack me physically on one occasion. I'm not a violent person, but I defended myself. Excuse the corny cliché, but being with her was a non-stop emotional roller coaster ride. By the time we broke it off, I was so drained emotionally that I honestly no longer cared what became of her. As bad as this may sound, my life did improve once she was out of it. If she had disappeared, as Dottie did, I don't think I would be out looking for her, nor would I be bawling. Bottom line - I think Jule was done with the relationship. In the UM interview he looked like he didn't care what happened to Dottie because he honestly didn't. It was a nasty, messy relationship, and it was over. According to Jule, Dottie had claimed that she could "disappear" and make him look responsible. It's clear to me that Jule actually believes that this is the case. Assuming it is, why would anyone want to be involved in such sick drama? I agree that Jule did say some pretty tacky things in the interview. And yes, he did come across looking a little arrogant and unlikable. However, I don't think it's fair to judge him on this alone (I realize you're not DD, but some people on here have in the past). It's not a crime to hate your significant other, folks. In the absence of a body, Dottie has been declared dead by the courts. If there was sufficient evidence to indict Jule, it would have happened already. Just my two cents.
	Last edited by justins5256; 11-01-2005 at 01:08 AM.

11-01-2005, 02:45 PM	#4
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	I can't stand Jule Caylor because of his callous comments on his interview and I'm sure I've made that clear in the past. I would buy your scenario easier though Justin if Dottie had remained in contact with her friends and family. Clearly they both wanted a divorce so Dottie wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of leaving him and hiding out and never speaking to the ones she truly did care about. She would have just left him and told him she was leaving I think but the fact she has never resurfaced to anyone she knew leads me to think she met with foul play. Of course he is the prime suspect. As for a motive, I'm not sure. Maybe he was afraid she would get too much in the divorce settlement but what is more likely is a fit of rage. He had mentioned in the interview that he hit her (wasn't it with a typewriter stand?) allegedly because she had a pair of scissors in her hand but one more of these violent arguments could have erupted and before he knew it he had killed her. He could have then hid her body and took her car to the BART station. That sounds a lot more plausible than a woman with agorophobia deciding to leave every person she ever knew and every trace of familiarity and start a new life and never look back. Just my two cents.
	Last edited by crystaldawn; 11-01-2005 at 04:57 PM.

11-03-2005, 01:06 PM	#5
DF Justin Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 28, 2004 Location: boston ma Posts: 44	can we please dig up his backyard patio already!