A few *Original* retail sets for trade... - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

BoutyBouty101 · 10-25-2005, 01:24 AM

Retail posts will be removed- Please read the user rules, thank you.

TVFactFan · 10-25-2005, 09:38 AM

[QUOTE=

Desperate Housewives Season 1
Chappelle's Show Season 2 Uncensored
Married With Children Season 1
Clarissa Explains It All Season 1

These sets have been watched once and are in excellent condition. These are the original sets with all the original packaging, just like you would buy in a store. They are not RIPs. If anyone is interested, Please contact me and we can work out a trade.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRADE RETAIL SETS ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

y2k3Joker · 10-25-2005, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRADE RETAIL SETS ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Why so uptight?

I think you should be allowed to trade "original" dvd's. Just like you are allowed to sell stuff on ebay if you are listing them as "second hand" originals.

People view the stuff they buy and then want to move it .... there should be nothing wrong with this.

lazygrae · 10-25-2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRADE RETAIL SETS ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Rule #3 of the Sitcoms Online Trading Post Rules states: "No selling (rule 2) or trading rips of commercial DVDs" (emphasis added). The rules do not say anything about a ban on trading originals and the poster clearly stated that she is looking to trade her "original sets with all the original packaging, just like you would buy in a store. They are not RIPs."

tdubel · 10-25-2005, 12:08 PM

You guys beat me to it. I have never seen a problem trading selling original dvds and videos.

Tom

TVFactFan · 10-25-2005, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazygrae

Rule #3 of the Sitcoms Online Trading Post Rules states: "No selling (rule 2) or trading rips of commercial DVDs" (emphasis added). The rules do not say anything about a ban on trading originals and the poster clearly stated that she is looking to trade her "original sets with all the original packaging, just like you would buy in a store. They are not RIPs."

I thought u couldn;t trade retail DVD at all. Anything that is retail has no business in the trading community.

scottdvd · 10-25-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tdubel

You guys beat me to it. I have never seen a problem trading selling original dvds and videos.

Tom

You can not sell original dvd's here, it has been clearly stated before. As far as I know you can trade original dvd's. There is no rule stating you can not.

lazygrae · 10-25-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Anything that is retail has no business in the trading community.

If someone wants a retail set and someone else wants to trade it away, why are you against the two parties being able to hook up and make a deal?

loren · 10-25-2005, 12:55 PM

i dont see a problem with a lot of things

in fact i dont see a problem with my entire ioffer sales list to be posted on a daily basis either

BUT, these are the rules, and we--by signing in--agree to honor the rules of this site

we have the option of going elsewhere if we dont agree with the rules

there must be some reason that the powers that be, made this retail rule

some legal bs most likely

who knows, who cares, its the way it is

savageamusement · 10-25-2005, 02:01 PM

There are a lot of times I don't mind moderating...And then days liek this.

I have contacted BoutyBouty about this matter- and despite the fact there is a red link on every page of every page of SitcomsOnline stating DO NOT list retail sets, some people find the need to do it.

Now- I know to some people, trading is trading.
Whats the harm.
Whats the difference between a retail disc, and a homemade disc?

Your right Loren it is legal BS.

But, BS or not, it is an illegality. One that the owner of the site, has to pay close attention to.

Moderators, and owenrs of such sites- are not blind.
I own a site myself, I run 5 sites, and I moderate 5 sites.
I do not for a second believe NO one is trading retail. But what you do, and what is proved are two seperate things.

Let me give you some background to the differences.

If I tape something on television that is publically broadcast- it is just that, public. If I give it to my niece, my aunt, my landlord- I am doing them a favor.

If they tape something for me- and they give me something in return.
It is a favor.

When I take a retail set, and copy it. I am distributing.

Period. That is where the law and line cross.

Now, if A makes moonlighting for me retail set, and I make Saved by the bell retail set and we exchange. Is this a trade?
No. It is distributing.

Why?

Because at this point - someone has taken the time, and moeny and BOUGHT the rights to the show.
They have paid people to put design together, and are attempting to make a profit.
My making of the set- eliminates a buyer.
It steps onto their profit, because I am taking all their work. Their money, their time, and dubbing it- for another, for an exchange.
yes it is a trade to me, it is a profit loss to them.

And hence, it becomes illegal.

If I draw a 3 headed girl eating a grape- and give it to Loren, its my gift.
If I take a Picasso, and duplicate it, and pass it off- its illegal.

There is no difference.

To be perfectly honest, you can take saved by the bell-put them in order, make a little song, take free wbe art, and make the best set you want-
And trade it here- feel free. But when yo uDUB a set you are DUPLICATING other peopls work and selling it.

As far as Ioffer goes, they have different rules, and from what I can gather, Loren - you are not selling DUBBED sets, but homemade sets. Completely, utterly different situation.

(Don't sell them here) That goes without saying- Becuase that is an entirely different rule.

But, this is WHY retails sets are frowned upon.

If you have retail sets, and someone from here, sees your list and wants to trade- Fine, kudos to you.

But as far as legality goes, we the owners of these sites, agree upon several conditions, and for this site, agree or not. Selling is not permitted.
Retail sets are not permitted.

If you disagree, that is fine. Take it up with the MPAA, take it up with VERO, take it up with Disney, pack a lunch and take it to the Senate.
But don't go off on other users, or moderators for pointing it out.
We are held accountable.

Now, if anyone wants furthor explinations, I have no problem discussing it.
I can banter about legalities all day long.
But, any retail posts will be removed when I see them.
I encourage users to report retail sets, immediately.

And if you have them to trade, I recommend NOT listing them as retail. And discussing that, amongst the two of you when trading begins.

Please contact me with any other questions.

And thank you to the community members that reported this post.

Whether people like it or not, by keeping retail posts off here, and Bootleg movies, and sales- that is WHY sitcoms is one of the largest, and best trade sites around.

TVFactFan · 10-25-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savageamusement

There are a lot of times I don't mind moderating...And then days liek this.

I have contacted BoutyBouty about this matter- and despite the fact there is a red link on every page of every page of SitcomsOnline stating DO NOT list retail sets, some people find the need to do it.

Now- I know to some people, trading is trading.
Whats the harm.
Whats the difference between a retail disc, and a homemade disc?

Your right Loren it is legal BS.

But, BS or not, it is an illegality. One that the owner of the site, has to pay close attention to.

Moderators, and owenrs of such sites- are not blind.
I own a site myself, I run 5 sites, and I moderate 5 sites.
I do not for a second believe NO one is trading retail. But what you do, and what is proved are two seperate things.

Let me give you some background to the differences.

If I tape something on television that is publically broadcast- it is just that, public. If I give it to my niece, my aunt, my landlord- I am doing them a favor.

If they tape something for me- and they give me something in return.
It is a favor.

When I take a retail set, and copy it. I am distributing.

Period. That is where the law and line cross.

Now, if A makes moonlighting for me retail set, and I make Saved by the bell retail set and we exchange. Is this a trade?
No. It is distributing.

Why?

Because at this point - someone has taken the time, and moeny and BOUGHT the rights to the show.
They have paid people to put design together, and are attempting to make a profit.
My making of the set- eliminates a buyer.
It steps onto their profit, because I am taking all their work. Their money, their time, and dubbing it- for another, for an exchange.
yes it is a trade to me, it is a profit loss to them.

And hence, it becomes illegal.

If I draw a 3 headed girl eating a grape- and give it to Loren, its my gift.
If I take a Picasso, and duplicate it, and pass it off- its illegal.

There is no difference.

To be perfectly honest, you can take saved by the bell-put them in order, make a little song, take free wbe art, and make the best set you want-
And trade it here- feel free. But when yo uDUB a set you are DUPLICATING other peopls work and selling it.

As far as Ioffer goes, they have different rules, and from what I can gather, Loren - you are not selling DUBBED sets, but homemade sets. Completely, utterly different situation.

(Don't sell them here) That goes without saying- Becuase that is an entirely different rule.

But, this is WHY retails sets are frowned upon.

If you have retail sets, and someone from here, sees your list and wants to trade- Fine, kudos to you.

But as far as legality goes, we the owners of these sites, agree upon several conditions, and for this site, agree or not. Selling is not permitted.
Retail sets are not permitted.

If you disagree, that is fine. Take it up with the MPAA, take it up with VERO, take it up with Disney, pack a lunch and take it to the Senate.
But don't go off on other users, or moderators for pointing it out.
We are held accountable.

Now, if anyone wants furthor explinations, I have no problem discussing it.
I can banter about legalities all day long.
But, any retail posts will be removed when I see them.
I encourage users to report retail sets, immediately.

And if you have them to trade, I recommend NOT listing them as retail. And discussing that, amongst the two of you when trading begins.

Please contact me with any other questions.

And thank you to the community members that reported this post.

Whether people like it or not, by keeping retail posts off here, and Bootleg movies, and sales- that is WHY sitcoms is one of the largest, and best trade sites around.

That's exactly what i was saying. That post about retail was just a cover up knowing that they planned on selling them off this site. Anything Retail I can buy from the store or online. Why trade for it?

savageamusement · 10-25-2005, 02:19 PM

Well I am in discussion with the owner and other moderators of the site.

A good question, indirectly has been placed here.

1-Selling is not allowed here period.
If you want to sell, there is Ebay, Half.Com Ioffer etc.

Those rules, will never change.

2-I have expressed why the dubbing of a retail set is now allowable. I think to the degree most people will understand, those who want more details can contact me.

However, as far as TRADING a retail disc- I firmly believe it is still considered distribution to "gain or profit" by the exchange of anything purchased. Under distribution law- but I am not omnipitent, and I am looking into it.

So for now, I ask the cooperation of the board to not list retail discs for TRADE either, until a determination can be made, OR until the rule, can be ammended to state as such so no confusion is made.

These rules aren't made to stifle anyone, or to be "mean" it is under the guides of the ISP provider, as well as the law that we make them.
But it is confusing even to us-
So bear with us.

I know some believe if you happen to have a retail disc, and wish to trade it for something else, you should have that right.
And maybe once you have purchased it, you do- but I doubt it. But until I know differently, I believe opening the door to trading retail discs, would open the door to the first two rules that are NOT allowed- and hence, it is easier to say no retail- at all. So that it isn't a continuing policing of moderators, asking is that really a retail disc, or is it a dub.
I would tear my hair out if I had to start doing that.

So I admit, there is an argument for both sides on this- and I am looking into it.
But for now, retail is retail- and it isn't allowed to be posted.

loren · 10-25-2005, 02:27 PM

kim

would i need to send you postage for the picture of the girl

what color is the grape??

why do people trade for retail copies when the sets are at wlamart

i think its becasue the sets at walmart

like star trek voyager-- $ 94.99 for 7 discs

so with tax, about $13 to $ 14 a disc

if you trade for them

its less than $ 1 disc with blank and shipping

so its a cheap way to get them

i have the entire star trek retail run

deep space

tos

voyager

next gen

enterprise

if you figure nearly $100 with tax a season

thats about $2700 for the star trek run

and one more enterprise to come yet

$ 2800 with that one

i thnk its very easy to figure why people want retail copies

my self, i have cut well over 1200 retail discs from my trade list, to concentrate on the older things

its very boreing to me to trade for buffy 5 and angel 3 and crapola 3 etc

but i do understand why some want to do that

and another reason amy be is because they havent the resources to get soem older things

and therefore cant braek into the older itme trade circles

so thys do what they can

a little rental copies action and there in the trade circle with others like them

y2k3Joker · 10-25-2005, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector

That's exactly what i was saying. That post about retail was just a cover up knowing that they planned on selling them off this site.

You're quite the sleuth ... you saw right through that one.
AMAZING.

Dragonbear · 10-25-2005, 02:53 PM

Sorry Loren. I've got dibs on the grape picture first.

Whenever I see a post like this I feel sorrow for the moderators
because it seems everyone decides they have to push the envelope
as far as what can and can't be done. As if the rules in the forum
end up putting people in a box.

Everyone who is in the trading business knows retail sets are
there, they're copied and traded on this board. Whether the
language is hidden under a 10/10 set or if it's "these are great
episodes). It's still the same. it happens.

So why not change the rules? for the simple fact that noone wants
the MPAA, the RIAA, and the EIEIO coming knocking, calling,
spotting, e-mailing or pissing on your door. It isn't fun and
it isn't a lark. It's some serious money if they come knocking
and asking "Hey, we see you sell retail sets. We'd really like
to talk to you about that.".

Whether it's the rigid rules of the road or the spirit of the law. It's not
a difficult concept to get across that retail = no no. Do not trade,
do not copy, or at least don't sit there and advertise it. And if you
feel the need to have to sell/trade retail sets and do it in public
so that everyone knows. Lots of other places to do it.

But to me, the more important thing is that the rules that are set on
this board are not all that confining. People trade all the time without
the need for that "one more trade" that ends up causing 10 entries
of people wanting to change the rules.

As someone who will remain nameless has said before. If you don't like
the way things are set up, Make your own ultracool board, invite
people that you like and set your own rules. If you've got good stuff
then I'll be there. But if you don't, I won't be visiting that often.

Be good, Be bad, jsut never be boring.

10-25-2005, 01:24 AM	#1
BoutyBouty101 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 03, 2005 Posts: 142	*A few Original* retail sets for trade...** Retail posts will be removed- Please read the user rules, thank you.
	Last edited by savageamusement; 10-25-2005 at 01:45 PM.

10-25-2005, 09:38 AM	#2
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,119	[QUOTE= Desperate Housewives Season 1 Chappelle's Show Season 2 Uncensored Married With Children Season 1 Clarissa Explains It All Season 1 These sets have been watched once and are in excellent condition. These are the original sets with all the original packaging, just like you would buy in a store. They are not RIPs. If anyone is interested, Please contact me and we can work out a trade. Thanks[/QUOTE] YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TRADE RETAIL SETS ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
	Last edited by savageamusement; 10-25-2005 at 02:03 PM. Reason: removed user name

10-25-2005, 12:08 PM	#5
tdubel Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 08, 2002 Posts: 677	Agreed You guys beat me to it. I have never seen a problem trading selling original dvds and videos. Tom

10-25-2005, 02:01 PM	#10
savageamusement Cutest Couch Potato Senior Member Join Date: Oct 21, 2003 Posts: 2,103	Retail sets There are a lot of times I don't mind moderating...And then days liek this. I have contacted BoutyBouty about this matter- and despite the fact there is a red link on every page of every page of SitcomsOnline stating DO NOT list retail sets, some people find the need to do it. Now- I know to some people, trading is trading. Whats the harm. Whats the difference between a retail disc, and a homemade disc? Your right Loren it is legal BS. But, BS or not, it is an illegality. One that the owner of the site, has to pay close attention to. Moderators, and owenrs of such sites- are not blind. I own a site myself, I run 5 sites, and I moderate 5 sites. I do not for a second believe NO one is trading retail. But what you do, and what is proved are two seperate things. Let me give you some background to the differences. If I tape something on television that is publically broadcast- it is just that, public. If I give it to my niece, my aunt, my landlord- I am doing them a favor. If they tape something for me- and they give me something in return. It is a favor. When I take a retail set, and copy it. I am distributing. Period. That is where the law and line cross. Now, if A makes moonlighting for me retail set, and I make Saved by the bell retail set and we exchange. Is this a trade? No. It is distributing. Why? Because at this point - someone has taken the time, and moeny and BOUGHT the rights to the show. They have paid people to put design together, and are attempting to make a profit. My making of the set- eliminates a buyer. It steps onto their profit, because I am taking all their work. Their money, their time, and dubbing it- for another, for an exchange. yes it is a trade to me, it is a profit loss to them. And hence, it becomes illegal. If I draw a 3 headed girl eating a grape- and give it to Loren, its my gift. If I take a Picasso, and duplicate it, and pass it off- its illegal. There is no difference. To be perfectly honest, you can take saved by the bell-put them in order, make a little song, take free wbe art, and make the best set you want- And trade it here- feel free. But when yo uDUB a set you are DUPLICATING other peopls work and selling it. As far as Ioffer goes, they have different rules, and from what I can gather, Loren - you are not selling DUBBED sets, but homemade sets. Completely, utterly different situation. (Don't sell them here) That goes without saying- Becuase that is an entirely different rule. But, this is WHY retails sets are frowned upon. If you have retail sets, and someone from here, sees your list and wants to trade- Fine, kudos to you. But as far as legality goes, we the owners of these sites, agree upon several conditions, and for this site, agree or not. Selling is not permitted. Retail sets are not permitted. If you disagree, that is fine. Take it up with the MPAA, take it up with VERO, take it up with Disney, pack a lunch and take it to the Senate. But don't go off on other users, or moderators for pointing it out. We are held accountable. Now, if anyone wants furthor explinations, I have no problem discussing it. I can banter about legalities all day long. But, any retail posts will be removed when I see them. I encourage users to report retail sets, immediately. And if you have them to trade, I recommend NOT listing them as retail. And discussing that, amongst the two of you when trading begins. Please contact me with any other questions. And thank you to the community members that reported this post. Whether people like it or not, by keeping retail posts off here, and Bootleg movies, and sales- that is WHY sitcoms is one of the largest, and best trade sites around.
	__________________ WWW.SavageTraders.org To avoid channel surfing Wipeouts!

10-25-2005, 02:19 PM	#12
savageamusement Cutest Couch Potato Senior Member Join Date: Oct 21, 2003 Posts: 2,103	Retail sets Well I am in discussion with the owner and other moderators of the site. A good question, indirectly has been placed here. 1-Selling is not allowed here period. If you want to sell, there is Ebay, Half.Com Ioffer etc. Those rules, will never change. 2-I have expressed why the dubbing of a retail set is now allowable. I think to the degree most people will understand, those who want more details can contact me. However, as far as TRADING a retail disc- I firmly believe it is still considered distribution to "gain or profit" by the exchange of anything purchased. Under distribution law- but I am not omnipitent, and I am looking into it. So for now, I ask the cooperation of the board to not list retail discs for TRADE either, until a determination can be made, OR until the rule, can be ammended to state as such so no confusion is made. These rules aren't made to stifle anyone, or to be "mean" it is under the guides of the ISP provider, as well as the law that we make them. But it is confusing even to us- So bear with us. I know some believe if you happen to have a retail disc, and wish to trade it for something else, you should have that right. And maybe once you have purchased it, you do- but I doubt it. But until I know differently, I believe opening the door to trading retail discs, would open the door to the first two rules that are NOT allowed- and hence, it is easier to say no retail- at all. So that it isn't a continuing policing of moderators, asking is that really a retail disc, or is it a dub. I would tear my hair out if I had to start doing that. So I admit, there is an argument for both sides on this- and I am looking into it. But for now, retail is retail- and it isn't allowed to be posted.

10-25-2005, 12:55 PM	#9
loren Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 1,516	i dont see a problem with a lot of things in fact i dont see a problem with my entire ioffer sales list to be posted on a daily basis either BUT, these are the rules, and we--by signing in--agree to honor the rules of this site we have the option of going elsewhere if we dont agree with the rules there must be some reason that the powers that be, made this retail rule some legal bs most likely who knows, who cares, its the way it is

10-25-2005, 02:27 PM	#13
loren Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 1,516	kim would i need to send you postage for the picture of the girl what color is the grape?? why do people trade for retail copies when the sets are at wlamart i think its becasue the sets at walmart like star trek voyager-- $ 94.99 for 7 discs so with tax, about $13 to $ 14 a disc if you trade for them its less than $ 1 disc with blank and shipping so its a cheap way to get them i have the entire star trek retail run deep space tos voyager next gen enterprise if you figure nearly $100 with tax a season thats about $2700 for the star trek run and one more enterprise to come yet $ 2800 with that one i thnk its very easy to figure why people want retail copies my self, i have cut well over 1200 retail discs from my trade list, to concentrate on the older things its very boreing to me to trade for buffy 5 and angel 3 and crapola 3 etc but i do understand why some want to do that and another reason amy be is because they havent the resources to get soem older things and therefore cant braek into the older itme trade circles so thys do what they can a little rental copies action and there in the trade circle with others like them

10-25-2005, 02:53 PM	#15
Dragonbear balibt eisl kuschn Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 24, 2005 Posts: 224	Sorry Loren. I've got dibs on the grape picture first. Whenever I see a post like this I feel sorrow for the moderators because it seems everyone decides they have to push the envelope as far as what can and can't be done. As if the rules in the forum end up putting people in a box. Everyone who is in the trading business knows retail sets are there, they're copied and traded on this board. Whether the language is hidden under a 10/10 set or if it's "these are great episodes). It's still the same. it happens. So why not change the rules? for the simple fact that noone wants the MPAA, the RIAA, and the EIEIO coming knocking, calling, spotting, e-mailing or pissing on your door. It isn't fun and it isn't a lark. It's some serious money if they come knocking and asking "Hey, we see you sell retail sets. We'd really like to talk to you about that.". Whether it's the rigid rules of the road or the spirit of the law. It's not a difficult concept to get across that retail = no no. Do not trade, do not copy, or at least don't sit there and advertise it. And if you feel the need to have to sell/trade retail sets and do it in public so that everyone knows. Lots of other places to do it. But to me, the more important thing is that the rules that are set on this board are not all that confining. People trade all the time without the need for that "one more trade" that ends up causing 10 entries of people wanting to change the rules. As someone who will remain nameless has said before. If you don't like the way things are set up, Make your own ultracool board, invite people that you like and set your own rules. If you've got good stuff then I'll be there. But if you don't, I won't be visiting that often. Be good, Be bad, jsut never be boring.