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loren · 09-07-2005, 01:15 PM

she contacted me two months ago

i knew her well, but never been stung by her

she had some things i wanted as fillers

and i made it clear she needed to send first

she emailed several times with false ship dates

and some excuses

well after 2 months the items showed up

and they are ok

my dilema is

i wonder who she stole them from ??

i feel so dirty

i am planning on completeing the trade with a thursday am shipment

question for the brain trust

what do youall think

am i incorrect to complete the deal ??

i feel obligated, since she did her part

or do i send the stuff to one of her victims to cover their losses???

imput please

Agent 13 · 09-07-2005, 01:22 PM

Loren,

You agreed to the trade even though you knew about her reputation. I think you owe her, even if you probably do have copies of stolen goods.

I rarely ever do trader checks because most of the time others initiate the trade and I have them send first. I could very well have traded with a notorious bad trader without knowing it.

I don't necessarily condone what you've done, though I don't recommend it. If a bad trader had something that I had been searching for for a long time, I may very well have done the same.

As for the rumor that Pam is trying to clean up her reputation? That'd only be temporary. She typically rips off a LOT of people between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

lilhave · 09-07-2005, 01:25 PM

Thank your lucky stars, say a silent prayer and send her what you promised. It's a shame she soiled the waters with others but you are still responsible to complete your end of the bargain.

A valuable lesson learned. Have a list of good traders and bad traders and if they contact you with no reputation, they send first.

Harvey

Lamont · 09-07-2005, 01:43 PM

Hi Loren, why dont you post what she sent you here on the site, so "IF" she did rip anyone off, they can make it known here?

ALSO, she contacted me awhile ago and asked about a trade, I told her that her reputation was crap and she would have to send first, well, it was slow BUT she says she sent out yesterday, So I will see

IF THE STUFF COMES and is as she said it was, i will do the right thing and complete the trade

I JUST HOPE SHE IS HONESTLY TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK and not just playing us again

www.freewebs.com/nmboye

Agent 13 · 09-07-2005, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamont

I JUST HOPE SHE IS HONESTLY TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK and not just playing us again

As far as I know, she first got caught for ripping off a ton of people under the ID "William Maples" in 2003.

Fall of 2003, she then gave me a loooooooooong sob story that she was trying to make things right and started using her maiden name "Pam Beaty", ripping off tons of people around Christmas time.

Starting in 2004, she ripped off tons of people with the ID "momofhayley" AGAIN around Christmas time.

If she was really trying to get back on track, she would make restitution.

As long as you have something that she wants, she will deal with you decently. I would venture to say that she'll cosy up to some, meanwhile ripping off others with a new ID, probably around Christmas time.

Pam also tries to start rumors about moving to a different state. So far, she still resides in LOUDON, TENNESSEE!!!, so put that into your memory bank at all costs.

loren · 09-07-2005, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamont

I JUST HOPE SHE IS HONESTLY TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK and not just playing us again

i know she reads this site

thats how she found what i wanted---------

if shes trying to get back to being honest

im not the person to start with

she should pick out one of the several hunderd folks she stole from and send them some items

i wasnt a victim of this person, others yes, but not her

the road to recovery starts with getting those folks squared up way before makeing a trade with me, or even rob, to come clean

Lamont · 09-07-2005, 02:09 PM

I just checked out her past, to be honest, if i had read all about that first, i would not have agreed to a trade, even if she sent first.

i will honor it and send back to her, but my advice is this sue, if you want to make right, then contact those who you have issues with and make it right

she is still using the

momofhayley@hotmail.com

email address
so anyone with an issue with her shoudl email her and tell her to make it right

nothing personal to sue, i will still honor the trade, but feel kind of bad about the whole mess

nannyfan · 09-07-2005, 04:22 PM

Ripping her off because she ripped off others, even if it is on the behalf of others, is WRONG.

By the way, she is selling on ioffer - she has a LOT of shows listed. Just look for "Louden, TN" and anybody can figure out who she is.

loren · 09-07-2005, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nannyfan

Ripping her off because she ripped off others, even if it is on the behalf of others, is WRONG.

By the way, she is selling on ioffer - she has a LOT of shows listed. Just look for "Louden, TN" and anybody can figure out who she is.

shes been tossed from ioffer at least two times that i know of so far

seems she honors her sales about like she honored her trades

i would figure with all the stuff she stole from people

she would have a lot better selection than this

Lamont · 09-07-2005, 05:05 PM

i guess her list is a bit limited b/c noone wants to trade with her now that they know!
ha ha

Agent 13 · 09-07-2005, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nannyfan

By the way, she is selling on ioffer - she has a LOT of shows listed. Just look for "Louden, TN" and anybody can figure out who she is.

Ah... the old change-the-actual-spelling-of-the-name-of-her-town cheap trick (it's Loudon, NOT Louden). She's tried them all.

I've noticed in trading groups that she does have a small group of followers, more than likely people she either considers friends or people that still have stuff she wants because someone posted today that "momofhayley@yahoo.com will back me up on this person":

http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/tv-.../message/16364

Birds of a feather flock together????

Lamont · 09-07-2005, 07:42 PM

I got an email from momo...... and she tells me that she "SUE" is NOT the same as Pam Maples, and that Pam was her sister in law, and that Pam stayed with her in the past, but that she is not the same person, and that she is not to blame for the past messes....

it is a weird story, but i suppose that hypothetically it could be true, --- I have no first hand knowledge as this is my first time dealing with her, and I hope the deal turns out well, I am trying to trust her on this one.... I am pretty trusting in general , and try to give the benefit of the doubt, the story might be true, might nor, I just wish I knew more --- maybe all of you who have had past bad dealings with this situation could fill us others in on more details to figure out the truth here

and I will post the outcome when i get the box of dvds and see for myself

thanks and keep your fingers crossed folks!!!!

Agent 13 · 09-07-2005, 07:49 PM

Lamont,

That is typical behavior for Pam Maples, and this story is a repeat of what we've heard over the last year. For those of us who've been here for awhile, we've heard these stories over and over.

The fact that she's acting like she's always acted when confronted proves that she has no intention of starting fresh, just fooling a bunch along the way through her storytelling, which she prides herself in. Just because a person can zip off a loooooooooong email doesn't attest to their honesty OR intelligence.

Here's the listing of her information (located under Complete Bad Trader list):

Pamela Beaty
**** Bradshaw Hollow Rd (or Bradshow Rd)
Loudon, Tennessee 37774-5150,

or...
Port Charlotte, Florida (Has a relative in Florida that she also uses.)

The odds that two tape traders would reside in the same house within a year are less likely than being struck by lightening twice.

Aliases: momofhayley , Anne Nicole , Sue Nicole , P. Maples , Paul Maples , Sue1982, Pam Maples , Pam Beaty , Sue Nicole , William Beaty , William Maples , tv homeland , pamela389, etc.

momofhayley@hotmail.com
Loudonslim@hotmail.com
Pamela839@hotmail.com
capeside_93@hotmail.com
beatyp@bellsouth.net
loudinslim@hotmail.com
tvland7@hotmail.com

debwalsh · 09-07-2005, 08:46 PM

Yeah, I've seen the "I'm not her" argument on a number of boards, usually followed up with people chiming in with the fact that they've recently been ripped off by the latest incarnation. I've never dealt with her, but unless there's been a mass hallucination on the web, her reputation is well and repeatedly earned.

nannyfan · 09-07-2005, 10:08 PM

Hey - when did I become a "Forum Junkie"?? LOL!! I just noticed that!!

09-07-2005, 01:15 PM	#1
loren Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 1,516	ADVICE ON SUE MAPLES she contacted me two months ago i knew her well, but never been stung by her she had some things i wanted as fillers and i made it clear she needed to send first she emailed several times with false ship dates and some excuses well after 2 months the items showed up and they are ok my dilema is i wonder who she stole them from ?? i feel so dirty i am planning on completeing the trade with a thursday am shipment question for the brain trust what do youall think am i incorrect to complete the deal ?? i feel obligated, since she did her part or do i send the stuff to one of her victims to cover their losses??? imput please

09-07-2005, 01:43 PM	#4
Lamont Lamont says Smile! Forum Veteran Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Deep in the Heart of Nowhere Posts: 5,217	loren why dont u.... Hi Loren, why dont you post what she sent you here on the site, so "IF" she did rip anyone off, they can make it known here? ALSO, she contacted me awhile ago and asked about a trade, I told her that her reputation was crap and she would have to send first, well, it was slow BUT she says she sent out yesterday, So I will see IF THE STUFF COMES and is as she said it was, i will do the right thing and complete the trade I JUST HOPE SHE IS HONESTLY TRYING TO GET BACK ON TRACK and not just playing us again www.freewebs.com/nmboye

09-07-2005, 02:09 PM	#7
Lamont Lamont says Smile! Forum Veteran Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Deep in the Heart of Nowhere Posts: 5,217	follow up I just checked out her past, to be honest, if i had read all about that first, i would not have agreed to a trade, even if she sent first. i will honor it and send back to her, but my advice is this sue, if you want to make right, then contact those who you have issues with and make it right she is still using the momofhayley@hotmail.com email address so anyone with an issue with her shoudl email her and tell her to make it right nothing personal to sue, i will still honor the trade, but feel kind of bad about the whole mess

09-07-2005, 04:22 PM	#8
nannyfan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 11, 2003 Location: USA Posts: 342	"Two wrongs don't make a right" Ripping her off because she ripped off others, even if it is on the behalf of others, is WRONG. By the way, she is selling on ioffer - she has a LOT of shows listed. Just look for "Louden, TN" and anybody can figure out who she is.

09-07-2005, 05:05 PM	#10
Lamont Lamont says Smile! Forum Veteran Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Deep in the Heart of Nowhere Posts: 5,217	i guess i guess her list is a bit limited b/c noone wants to trade with her now that they know! ha ha

09-07-2005, 01:22 PM	#2
Agent 13 Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 02, 2003 Location: Good ol' USA Posts: 1,510	Loren, You agreed to the trade even though you knew about her reputation. I think you owe her, even if you probably do have copies of stolen goods. I rarely ever do trader checks because most of the time others initiate the trade and I have them send first. I could very well have traded with a notorious bad trader without knowing it. I don't necessarily condone what you've done, though I don't recommend it. If a bad trader had something that I had been searching for for a long time, I may very well have done the same. As for the rumor that Pam is trying to clean up her reputation? That'd only be temporary. She typically rips off a LOT of people between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

09-07-2005, 01:25 PM	#3
lilhave Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 03, 2004 Location: N.Y.C. Posts: 2,294	Thank your lucky stars, say a silent prayer and send her what you promised. It's a shame she soiled the waters with others but you are still responsible to complete your end of the bargain. A valuable lesson learned. Have a list of good traders and bad traders and if they contact you with no reputation, they send first. Harvey

09-07-2005, 07:42 PM	#12
Lamont Lamont says Smile! Forum Veteran Join Date: May 28, 2005 Location: Deep in the Heart of Nowhere Posts: 5,217	i got an email.... I got an email from momo...... and she tells me that she "SUE" is NOT the same as Pam Maples, and that Pam was her sister in law, and that Pam stayed with her in the past, but that she is not the same person, and that she is not to blame for the past messes.... it is a weird story, but i suppose that hypothetically it could be true, --- I have no first hand knowledge as this is my first time dealing with her, and I hope the deal turns out well, I am trying to trust her on this one.... I am pretty trusting in general , and try to give the benefit of the doubt, the story might be true, might nor, I just wish I knew more --- maybe all of you who have had past bad dealings with this situation could fill us others in on more details to figure out the truth here and I will post the outcome when i get the box of dvds and see for myself thanks and keep your fingers crossed folks!!!!

09-07-2005, 07:49 PM	#13
Agent 13 Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 02, 2003 Location: Good ol' USA Posts: 1,510	Lamont, That is typical behavior for Pam Maples, and this story is a repeat of what we've heard over the last year. For those of us who've been here for awhile, we've heard these stories over and over. The fact that she's acting like she's always acted when confronted proves that she has no intention of starting fresh, just fooling a bunch along the way through her storytelling, which she prides herself in. Just because a person can zip off a loooooooooong email doesn't attest to their honesty OR intelligence. Here's the listing of her information (located under Complete Bad Trader list): Pamela Beaty **** Bradshaw Hollow Rd (or Bradshow Rd) Loudon, Tennessee 37774-5150, or... Port Charlotte, Florida (Has a relative in Florida that she also uses.) The odds that two tape traders would reside in the same house within a year are less likely than being struck by lightening twice. Aliases: momofhayley , Anne Nicole , Sue Nicole , P. Maples , Paul Maples , Sue1982, Pam Maples , Pam Beaty , Sue Nicole , William Beaty , William Maples , tv homeland , pamela389, etc. momofhayley@hotmail.com Loudonslim@hotmail.com Pamela839@hotmail.com capeside_93@hotmail.com beatyp@bellsouth.net loudinslim@hotmail.com tvland7@hotmail.com
	Last edited by Agent 13; 09-08-2005 at 01:45 PM.

09-07-2005, 08:46 PM	#14
debwalsh Ancient Archivist Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 23, 2004 Location: Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Posts: 503	Yeah, I've seen the "I'm not her" argument on a number of boards, usually followed up with people chiming in with the fact that they've recently been ripped off by the latest incarnation. I've never dealt with her, but unless there's been a mass hallucination on the web, her reputation is well and repeatedly earned.
	__________________ Deb Walsh Savage Traders Online!

09-07-2005, 10:08 PM	#15
nannyfan Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 11, 2003 Location: USA Posts: 342	Hey - when did I become a "Forum Junkie"?? LOL!! I just noticed that!!