Adding fuel to the fire....

[TJAMES03]

I am not saying one way or the other about GT being a spin-off from Maude or not - but this is what it says about the last episode that Florida is in (episode 42) on Maude on WWW.EPGUIDES.COM word for word.

"FLORIDA'S GOODBYE"

Originally aired: Tuesday February 5, 1974 on CBS

After Henry, Florida's husband, gets a job promotion, she must tell Maude she's leaving to become a full-time housewife. Maude is heartbroken and is reluctant to hire anyone new but as applicants for the new job come in, Maude finds something wrong with each one. Finally, at the end of the day, Maude must say goodbye to Florida.

This is Esther Rolle's last episode, she took her character to the Maude spin-off "Good Times" which debuted three days later on February 8, 1974.

(Episode quotes)

Maude: Florida I changed my mind. I'm gonna cry.
Florida: You mind if I join you Mrs. Findlay?

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by TJAMES03

I am not saying one way or the other about GT being a spin-off from Maude or not - but this is what it says about the last episode that Florida is in (episode 42) on Maude on WWW.EPGUIDES.COM word for word.


"FLORIDA'S GOODBYE"

Originally aired: Tuesday February 5, 1974 on CBS




After Henry, Florida's husband, gets a job promotion, she must tell Maude she's leaving to become a full-time housewife. Maude is heartbroken and is reluctant to hire anyone new but as applicants for the new job come in, Maude finds something wrong with each one. Finally, at the end of the day, Maude must say goodbye to Florida.

This is Esther Rolle's last episode, she took her character to the Maude spin-off "Good Times" which debuted three days later on February 8, 1974.



(Episode quotes)


Maude: Florida I changed my mind. I'm gonna cry.
Florida: You mind if I join you Mrs. Findlay?

What does this prove?

[Brian Damage]

More people recognize it as a spinoff.

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

More people recognize it as a spinoff.

Someone at tv.com wrote that, what does that prove?-lol whoever wrote proabaly was not even born when Good times premiered on CBS

[TJAMES03]

This is from "The Museum of Broadcast History"

"MAUDE"

Maude, the socially controversial, sometimes radical sitcom featuring a strong female lead character played by Bea Arthur, ran on CBS from 1972 to 1978. Like its predecessor All in the Family, Maude was created by Norman Lear's Tandem Productions. Maude Findlay was first introduced as Edith's liberal, outspoken cousin from suburban Tucahoe, New York on an episode of All in the Family in 1972 before spinning off later that year to her own series set in upper middle-class Tucahoe where she lived with her fourth husband, Walter Findlay, her divorced daughter Carol, and Carol's young son Phillip. The Findlay's also went through three housekeepers during the run of the series, the first of whom, Florida Evans, left in 1974 to her own spin-off, Good Times. These three shows, among others, comprised a cadre of 1970s Norman Lear urban sitcoms that raised social and political issues and dealt with them in a manner as yet unexplored in television sitcom. Maude enjoyed a spot in the top ten Nielsen ratings during its first four seasons despite being subjected to day and/or time changes in the CBS schedule that continued throughout the entire run of the program.

"GOOD TIMES"

Evictions, gang warfare, financial problems, muggings, rent parties and discrimination were frequent themes of the television program Good Times, that aired on CBS Television from February 1974 to August 1979. The program was created by Norman Lear and Bud Yorkin. This highly successful team of independent producers team enjoyed unmitigated success during the 1970s and 1980s with a number of hit television shows including Maude, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons and one of television's most controversial sitcoms, All in the Family.

Good Times was a spin-off show of the hit series Maude. In Maude, the Black maid/housekeeper Florida, was portrayed by actor Ester Rolle. Rolle was chosen to star with John Amos as Mr. and Mrs. Evans in Good Times. The cast of Good Times included Florida; her unemployed but always looking-for-work husband, James; their teen-aged son, J.J.; a daughter, Thelma; and a younger son, Michael. The Evan's neighbor, a fortyish woman named Willona made frequent appearances.

This is from Wikipedia.org.

Good Times is an American sitcom that was originally broadcast from February 1, 1974 until August 1, 1979 on the CBS television network. The program was a spin-off of the sitcom Maude (itself a spin-off of All in the Family). Like those two other series, Good Times was developed by producer Norman Lear.

This is from Amazon.com

Good Times was that rare hit show which was a spin-off of a spin-off (TV's All in the Family begat Maude, which in turn spawned Good Times on CBS). Airing for five highly rated seasons, Good Times altered America's cultural landscape by tackling topical, often controversial issues from a uniquely African American perspective, while delivering heart-warming laughs. Focusing on a poor but proud family in the Chicago projects, the Evans clan--headed by James (John Amos) and sharp-tongued mother Florida (Esther Rolle)--struggled against adversity while keeping their heads high, striking a chord with audiences of all colors. The trailblazing show also made a star of jive-talkin' comedian Jimmmie Walker, whose catchphrase "Dyn-O-Mite!" became part of '70s pop culture.

This is from tvland.com (about Mike Evans - Lionel No. 01 from "The Jeffersons")

Mike Evans was still in acting school when he landed the part of Lionel on All In The Family in 1971. He appeared in a few TV movies in between his duties on All In The Family, and co-created the Maude spin-off, Good Times.

This is also from tv land.com

Good Times aired on CBS from February 1974 through August 1979. An instant hit, this ground-breaking show was a favorite among audiences and has become a cult classic in syndication.

Good Times follows the challenges and joys of the close-knit Evans family--patriarch James, mother Florida, eldest son and accomplished amateur painter J.J. (James Evans, Jr.), brainy and beautiful daughter Thelma, and youngest son Michael, a political and social activist--who live together in a high-rise housing project on the South Side of Chicago.

Audiences first met Florida as the no-nonsense maid on the series Maude, which was produced by Bud Yorkin and Norman Lear. Viewers responded to Florida's wit, sass, and the way she managed the formidable Maude (played by the equally formidable Bea Arthur), and the team of Yorkin and Lear agreed that the character had the potential to be spun-off into her own hit comedy. In 1974, Good Times brought viewers home with Florida Evans. Created by Eric Monte and Michael Evans (the original Lionel from All in the Family and The Jeffersons) and produced by Yorkin and Lear, Good Times was remarkable on many levels. In a television landscape populated almost exclusively by prosperous white characters living in idealized settings, and where black families were always presented as somehow broken or fractured, Good Times was the first prime-time series that featured a strong black man at the head of a close-knit lower-middle-class black family. The show took an honest look at the reality of life in the urban Projects, and tackled social and political issues around race, poverty, unemployment, inflation, crime and addiction--hot button issues that cut across 1970s America. Even the most serious storylines were handled with great comic skill, and Good Times managed to portray the strength and devotion of the Evans family without ever becoming maudlin.

See a pattern here? I have yet to see anything on any "official" site about Maude or Good Times that says that Good Times was NOT a spin-off from Maude. Yes, a little bit of the reality was changed on GT as opposed to when Florida was on Maude. But if changing realities prevent GT form being a Maude spin-off, then, technically, you could say that Rhoda was not a spin-off from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Why? Where was Rhoda's other sister Debbie that was seen on MTM? It was firmly established that Ida had only two daughters (Rhoda and Brenda) on Rhoda, not three. Also, then this means that Mama's Family was not a spin-off from The Carol Burnett Show. After all, on TCBS, Mama (throughout its run) had at least five children - but on Mama's Family, she only had three. And didn't Mama die in the television special "Eunice" that was aired a year before Mama's Family premiered? Also, if changing realities negates connection, then most all of The Golden Girls seasons were not connected at all. On that show, realities changed all of the time. Even a passing fan of GG's will notice the MANY glaring inconsistencies of that show.

If there is any official site that says that GT was not a Maude spin-off, I want to see it.

[Trishalla]

Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector

Someone at tv.com wrote that, what does that prove?-lol whoever wrote proabaly was not even born when Good times premiered on CBS

Right On

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by TJAMES03

This is from "The Museum of Broadcast History"

"MAUDE"

Maude, the socially controversial, sometimes radical sitcom featuring a strong female lead character played by Bea Arthur, ran on CBS from 1972 to 1978. Like its predecessor All in the Family, Maude was created by Norman Lear's Tandem Productions. Maude Findlay was first introduced as Edith's liberal, outspoken cousin from suburban Tucahoe, New York on an episode of All in the Family in 1972 before spinning off later that year to her own series set in upper middle-class Tucahoe where she lived with her fourth husband, Walter Findlay, her divorced daughter Carol, and Carol's young son Phillip. The Findlay's also went through three housekeepers during the run of the series, the first of whom, Florida Evans, left in 1974 to her own spin-off, Good Times. These three shows, among others, comprised a cadre of 1970s Norman Lear urban sitcoms that raised social and political issues and dealt with them in a manner as yet unexplored in television sitcom. Maude enjoyed a spot in the top ten Nielsen ratings during its first four seasons despite being subjected to day and/or time changes in the CBS schedule that continued throughout the entire run of the program.

"GOOD TIMES"

Evictions, gang warfare, financial problems, muggings, rent parties and discrimination were frequent themes of the television program Good Times, that aired on CBS Television from February 1974 to August 1979. The program was created by Norman Lear and Bud Yorkin. This highly successful team of independent producers team enjoyed unmitigated success during the 1970s and 1980s with a number of hit television shows including Maude, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons and one of television's most controversial sitcoms, All in the Family.

Good Times was a spin-off show of the hit series Maude. In Maude, the Black maid/housekeeper Florida, was portrayed by actor Ester Rolle. Rolle was chosen to star with John Amos as Mr. and Mrs. Evans in Good Times. The cast of Good Times included Florida; her unemployed but always looking-for-work husband, James; their teen-aged son, J.J.; a daughter, Thelma; and a younger son, Michael. The Evan's neighbor, a fortyish woman named Willona made frequent appearances.

This is from Wikipedia.org.

Good Times is an American sitcom that was originally broadcast from February 1, 1974 until August 1, 1979 on the CBS television network. The program was a spin-off of the sitcom Maude (itself a spin-off of All in the Family). Like those two other series, Good Times was developed by producer Norman Lear.

This is from Amazon.com

Good Times was that rare hit show which was a spin-off of a spin-off (TV's All in the Family begat Maude, which in turn spawned Good Times on CBS). Airing for five highly rated seasons, Good Times altered America's cultural landscape by tackling topical, often controversial issues from a uniquely African American perspective, while delivering heart-warming laughs. Focusing on a poor but proud family in the Chicago projects, the Evans clan--headed by James (John Amos) and sharp-tongued mother Florida (Esther Rolle)--struggled against adversity while keeping their heads high, striking a chord with audiences of all colors. The trailblazing show also made a star of jive-talkin' comedian Jimmmie Walker, whose catchphrase "Dyn-O-Mite!" became part of '70s pop culture.

This is from tvland.com (about Mike Evans - Lionel No. 01 from "The Jeffersons")

Mike Evans was still in acting school when he landed the part of Lionel on All In The Family in 1971. He appeared in a few TV movies in between his duties on All In The Family, and co-created the Maude spin-off, Good Times.

This is also from tv land.com

Good Times aired on CBS from February 1974 through August 1979. An instant hit, this ground-breaking show was a favorite among audiences and has become a cult classic in syndication.

Good Times follows the challenges and joys of the close-knit Evans family--patriarch James, mother Florida, eldest son and accomplished amateur painter J.J. (James Evans, Jr.), brainy and beautiful daughter Thelma, and youngest son Michael, a political and social activist--who live together in a high-rise housing project on the South Side of Chicago.

Audiences first met Florida as the no-nonsense maid on the series Maude, which was produced by Bud Yorkin and Norman Lear. Viewers responded to Florida's wit, sass, and the way she managed the formidable Maude (played by the equally formidable Bea Arthur), and the team of Yorkin and Lear agreed that the character had the potential to be spun-off into her own hit comedy. In 1974, Good Times brought viewers home with Florida Evans. Created by Eric Monte and Michael Evans (the original Lionel from All in the Family and The Jeffersons) and produced by Yorkin and Lear, Good Times was remarkable on many levels. In a television landscape populated almost exclusively by prosperous white characters living in idealized settings, and where black families were always presented as somehow broken or fractured, Good Times was the first prime-time series that featured a strong black man at the head of a close-knit lower-middle-class black family. The show took an honest look at the reality of life in the urban Projects, and tackled social and political issues around race, poverty, unemployment, inflation, crime and addiction--hot button issues that cut across 1970s America. Even the most serious storylines were handled with great comic skill, and Good Times managed to portray the strength and devotion of the Evans family without ever becoming maudlin.

See a pattern here? I have yet to see anything on any "official" site about Maude or Good Times that says that Good Times was NOT a spin-off from Maude. Yes, a little bit of the reality was changed on GT as opposed to when Florida was on Maude. But if changing realities prevent GT form being a Maude spin-off, then, technically, you could say that Rhoda was not a spin-off from the Mary Tyler Moore Show. Why? Where was Rhoda's other sister Debbie that was seen on MTM? It was firmly established that Ida had only two daughters (Rhoda and Brenda) on Rhoda, not three. Also, then this means that Mama's Family was not a spin-off from The Carol Burnett Show. After all, on TCBS, Mama (throughout its run) had at least five children - but on Mama's Family, she only had three. And didn't Mama die in the television special "Eunice" that was aired a year before Mama's Family premiered? Also, if changing realities negates connection, then most all of The Golden Girls seasons were not connected at all. On that show, realities changed all of the time. Even a passing fan of GG's will notice the MANY glaring inconsistencies of that show.







If there is any official site that says that GT was not a Maude spin-off, I want to see it.

I have a article from 1975 with the producer of Good Times saying it'a not a spinoff, is that good enough?

[TJAMES03]

If GT is not a spin-off then I suggest that all of the 'Net sites drastically change their listings of GT. Amazon.com must be told that they are false advertising the GD DVD's. The Museum of Broadcast History must close down immediately - after all, if they are stating that GT is a Maude spin-off, then what other mistakes are they making with other programs?

Does anyone know what Norman Lear's take on this is? I mean, what if he says that GT is a spin-off of Maude. Does his authority cancel out the other producers comment in the 1975 article?

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by TJAMES03

If GT is not a spin-off then I suggest that all of the 'Net sites drastically change their listings of GT. Amazon.com must be told that they are false advertising the GD DVD's. The Museum of Broadcast History must close down immediately - after all, if they are stating that GT is a Maude spin-off, then what other mistakes are they making with other programs?


Does anyone know what Norman Lear's take on this is? I mean, what if he says that GT is a spin-off of Maude. Does his authority cancel out the other producers comment in the 1975 article?

Of course it does. but if Norman Lear says GT is a spinoff, he will have to answer about 80 questions from me-lol

[Trishalla]

Originally Posted by TJAMES03

If GT is not a spin-off then I suggest that all of the 'Net sites drastically change their listings of GT. Amazon.com must be told that they are false advertising the GD DVD's. The Museum of Broadcast History must close down immediately - after all, if they are stating that GT is a Maude spin-off, then what other mistakes are they making with other programs?

Does anyone know what Norman Lear's take on this is? I mean, what if he says that GT is a spin-off of Maude. Does his authority cancel out the other producers comment in the 1975 article?

ok here is a website with a interview with Eric Monte

www.jimiizrael.com/ji/2004/12/08/09.44.44./

[Trishalla]

now in the last post if you went to the site that I posted you will read that Eric Monte created "Good Times" before Maude even aired.

so if the show was created before "Maude" even aired.

were did it spin off from.

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by Trishalla

now in the last post if you went to the site that I posted you will read that Eric Monte created "Good Times" before Maude even aired.

so if the show was created before "Maude" even aired.

were did it spin off from.

Exactly, it spinned off from NOTHING-LOL

[TJAMES03]

Ummmmm.... Knots Landing was created way before Dallas was yet it is considered a spin-off.

[Trishalla]

Originally Posted by TJAMES03

Ummmmm.... Knots Landing was created way before Dallas was yet it is considered a spin-off.

if Knots Landing was created way before Dallas then it would not be a spin off from dallas (but drama's like dallas and knots Landing were too much like Daytime soap opera's so I didn't really watch those shows)

The point is Good Times was Created way before Maude Aired.

So I ask again if Good Times was created way Before Maude aired on TV
were did Good Times Spin off from.

because many of you are saying that the Character "Florida" was spined off into "Good Times" because "Good Times" was created just for the character Florida from the show "Maude"

and if "Good Times" was created based on the popular character "Florida" from Maude. then it still would not be called a direct spin off
it would only be spinning off a Character

In post that I gave the with the Interview with Eric Monte he said that Ester Rolle wanted to keep the character name of Florida from "Maude"

Why? I don't know and there are too many reasons I could think of but I won't even go there.

But I do understand why people would think it is a spin off because both characters have the same name and Most characters that do spin off into their own show can be associated with the show it spinned off from because that is what the tv viewers will associated with
and because that character is popular and will be recognized as the maid Florida from Maude.

Its Only natural that you would think that it is a spin off or spinning of a character into a new show.

But whatever
Just to let you know
I'm not trying to be mean
I do understand why you think it is a spin off
I just don't think its a spin off
and either does Eric Monte becasue he created "Good Times"

[TVFactFan]

Originally Posted by TJAMES03

Ummmmm.... Knots Landing was created way before Dallas was yet it is considered a spin-off.

Knots Landing didn't have 66 INCONSISTENCIES like Good Times