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compulsive dvd · 08-24-2005, 06:30 PM

The update said Anna Anderson had no genetic connection to the Russian Royal Family, but how could she be so convincing to Anastasia's childhood friend and nurse? I find it hard to believe that she would know that many intimate details. The only thing she had going against her was that she wouldnt' speak Russian. I haven't done any extensive research on the topic, but I'm sure the book about it is interesting.

Mikado · 08-24-2005, 09:46 PM

I was a longtime believer myself, however, the unfortunate thing is, DNA doesnt lie...hey, she fooled a lot fo people for 70 years, it was a fun ride

Opal · 08-25-2005, 10:31 AM

This is one of my favorite UM segments --- mostly because the actors were good and I love how it was filmed.

Yeah, I wonder how she knew all those details.

I was really hopping Anna was the real Anastasia.

crookshanks · 08-25-2005, 10:51 AM

I was convinced, until she refused to speak Russian, then I doubted her

Mikado · 08-25-2005, 01:47 PM

Its a true shame that one of the few Euro monarchs who actually married for love and who cared about his family above all else including the throne ( Which he never wanted, but inherited after his brother's assasination ), had to die with them, in one of the worst cases of political murder in history. This should be a true indictment of the Bolshevics for all time.

Mikado · 08-25-2005, 01:48 PM

btw, this thread should have been on the politics/current events theads, dont you think?

Opal · 08-25-2005, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikado

Its a true shame that one of the few Euro monarchs who actually married for love and who cared about his family above all else including the throne ( Which he never wanted, but inherited after his brother's assasination ), had to die with them, in one of the worst cases of political murder in history. This should be a true indictment of the Bolshevics for all time.

I know! I find the whole situation very sad.

Plus, I tend to put a lot of the blame on that idiot Rasputin. For anyone that doesn’t know, Rasputin was a "mystic"/"spiritual healer" from Russia. He became a friend of the Romanov family when Nicholas and Alexandra were seeking help for Alexei’s hemophilia. He was a last resort, as the doctors they went to didn’t seem to help. Let’s just say his influences over the family weren’t the best.

To read more about him, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin

Mikado · 08-25-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Opal

I know! I find the whole situation very sad.
Plus, I tend to put a lot of the blame on that idiot Rasputin. . Let’s just say his influences over the family weren’t the best.

Yeah, hes sometimes reputed to have had an affair with the Tsarina, however, knowing how much she loved her husband, and knowing Rasputins love of very young women, id say its more likey he was after the princesses.

Opal · 08-25-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikado

Yeah, hes sometimes reputed to have had an affair with the Tsarina, however, knowing how much she loved her husband, and knowing Rasputins love of very young women, id say its more likey he was after the princesses.

Yeah, I doubt Alexandra had an affair. And it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to bed one of the princesses --- he was a nasty man, that's for sure!

Mikado · 08-25-2005, 03:48 PM

one, or ALL of them

Opal · 08-25-2005, 04:32 PM

Hey...

Found some greats pics of the Romanovs:

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/scrapbook1.html

Mikado · 09-05-2005, 02:51 AM

nice pics alright

palmyrafan · 11-18-2005, 04:39 PM

I have been a Romanov fan since the age of 5 in 1967. I have read many books on the Romanovs and their court, including Rasputin, the war and the many family issues at that time.

I, for one, believe that Anastasia survived the execution in Ekaterinburg. I do not know if she is for sure "Anna Anderson", but I do know that it is possible.

Think about it:

1) The current head of the Romanov family categorically denies that Anastasia survived. Of course he would. If she survived, there is the chance she might have heirs. That would make them next in line as the head of the Romanovs, not him.

2) Contrary to popular belief, the Queen did recognize Anastasia at first look. It was only after Anastasia let slip that her father was holding (in today's currency) the equivalent of over $70,000,000 in money, jewels and property, that the English Royal Family denied she was Anastasia. This comes from royal family insiders not Anna Anderson or the movies. If they denied she was alive, they inherited all the assets as next of kin.

3) The Bolsheviks had to tell the public that the Romanovs had been killed. All of them. The daughters were no real threat to the Russians. They legally couldn't ascend the throne. But, Alexei could. But the Russians were calling for blood for all the alleged atrocities by the Romanovs and their years of rule.

4) As for the DNA "evidence". Don't you find it interesting that the "experts" first to check the evidence were Russians in their own country? Of course, anyone can manipulate DNA evidence. Look at our own FBI. They manipulate files, people, evidence all of the time. They had the most to gain by claiming all the Romanovs were found in the pit and the DNA was all Romanov. Not only would they have to answer to the World Press about their history, but they would have to possibly rewrite all their own history. It would not benefit them to say anything else.

5) I know most peope believe that Anastasia died, but even some of the soldiers who shot them, stated that at least one of the princesses survived. Everyone ever interviewed stated categorically that it was Anastasia.

This evidence all comes from released Russian documents.

Allierain · 01-07-2006, 01:54 AM

Sorry to bump this older topic, but I had to reply. I always believed that Anna Anderson *was* the lost grand duchess until the DNA results came back, but there is still a part of me in disbelief. And there is so much stuff all over the internet about Anna, both for and against her claims. The DNA testing concluded that Anna was not the lost grand duchess, but was in reality Franziska Schanzkowska, though some say that the tissue samples were "tampered with". Who really knows. It's an incredible case.

Mystery Lover · 01-07-2006, 11:27 AM

Yeah I always thought it was her too. But it's just strange that the DNA says that it's not her. I guess we'll never find out now.

08-24-2005, 06:30 PM	#1
compulsive dvd Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 27, 2005 Posts: 184	Anna Anderson/Anastasia The update said Anna Anderson had no genetic connection to the Russian Royal Family, but how could she be so convincing to Anastasia's childhood friend and nurse? I find it hard to believe that she would know that many intimate details. The only thing she had going against her was that she wouldnt' speak Russian. I haven't done any extensive research on the topic, but I'm sure the book about it is interesting.

08-25-2005, 10:51 AM	#4
crookshanks Over it Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 30, 2003 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 101	I was convinced, until she refused to speak Russian, then I doubted her
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08-24-2005, 09:46 PM	#2
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,892	I was a longtime believer myself, however, the unfortunate thing is, DNA doesnt lie...hey, she fooled a lot fo people for 70 years, it was a fun ride

08-25-2005, 10:31 AM	#3
Opal Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 365	This is one of my favorite UM segments --- mostly because the actors were good and I love how it was filmed. Yeah, I wonder how she knew all those details. I was really hopping Anna was the real Anastasia.

08-25-2005, 01:47 PM	#5
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,892	Its a true shame that one of the few Euro monarchs who actually married for love and who cared about his family above all else including the throne ( Which he never wanted, but inherited after his brother's assasination ), had to die with them, in one of the worst cases of political murder in history. This should be a true indictment of the Bolshevics for all time.

08-25-2005, 01:48 PM	#6
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,892	btw, this thread should have been on the politics/current events theads, dont you think?

08-25-2005, 03:48 PM	#10
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,892	one, or ALL of them

08-25-2005, 04:32 PM	#11
Opal Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 365	Hey... Found some greats pics of the Romanovs: http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/scrapbook1.html

09-05-2005, 02:51 AM	#12
Mikado Main st bridge Forum Superstar Join Date: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 25,892	nice pics alright

11-18-2005, 04:39 PM	#13
palmyrafan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 18, 2005 Posts: 22	I have been a Romanov fan since the age of 5 in 1967. I have read many books on the Romanovs and their court, including Rasputin, the war and the many family issues at that time. I, for one, believe that Anastasia survived the execution in Ekaterinburg. I do not know if she is for sure "Anna Anderson", but I do know that it is possible. Think about it: 1) The current head of the Romanov family categorically denies that Anastasia survived. Of course he would. If she survived, there is the chance she might have heirs. That would make them next in line as the head of the Romanovs, not him. 2) Contrary to popular belief, the Queen did recognize Anastasia at first look. It was only after Anastasia let slip that her father was holding (in today's currency) the equivalent of over $70,000,000 in money, jewels and property, that the English Royal Family denied she was Anastasia. This comes from royal family insiders not Anna Anderson or the movies. If they denied she was alive, they inherited all the assets as next of kin. 3) The Bolsheviks had to tell the public that the Romanovs had been killed. All of them. The daughters were no real threat to the Russians. They legally couldn't ascend the throne. But, Alexei could. But the Russians were calling for blood for all the alleged atrocities by the Romanovs and their years of rule. 4) As for the DNA "evidence". Don't you find it interesting that the "experts" first to check the evidence were Russians in their own country? Of course, anyone can manipulate DNA evidence. Look at our own FBI. They manipulate files, people, evidence all of the time. They had the most to gain by claiming all the Romanovs were found in the pit and the DNA was all Romanov. Not only would they have to answer to the World Press about their history, but they would have to possibly rewrite all their own history. It would not benefit them to say anything else. 5) I know most peope believe that Anastasia died, but even some of the soldiers who shot them, stated that at least one of the princesses survived. Everyone ever interviewed stated categorically that it was Anastasia. This evidence all comes from released Russian documents.

01-07-2006, 01:54 AM	#14
Allierain Forum Old Fart Forum Regular Join Date: Nov 30, 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 509	Sorry to bump this older topic, but I had to reply. I always believed that Anna Anderson was the lost grand duchess until the DNA results came back, but there is still a part of me in disbelief. And there is so much stuff all over the internet about Anna, both for and against her claims. The DNA testing concluded that Anna was not the lost grand duchess, but was in reality Franziska Schanzkowska, though some say that the tissue samples were "tampered with". Who really knows. It's an incredible case.

01-07-2006, 11:27 AM	#15
Mystery Lover Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 175	Yeah I always thought it was her too. But it's just strange that the DNA says that it's not her. I guess we'll never find out now.