Florida was kind of selfish at times

[GARFIELDKOOL]

James was about to take that job in Alaska and all she did was whine like a baby. "James, your family needs you here!" (sob) That was $500 dollars a week for the family. Yeah, he was going far away, but he was doing it for them, and Florida accused him for doing it for himself. She did pack up and went to Arizona with Carl, right? Then, she refused to do the vitabrite commercial making $5000. She was so worried about her "lying repuation" It wasn't lying, it was acting. Furthermore, J.J. won that $2500 on the lotto, and she told him he should put it in the bank. It wasn't her money to tell him to do that. Man, I loved Florida, but sometimes, she had some issues that needed to be ironed out. She was selfish.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by GARFIELDKOOL

James was about to take that job in Alaska and all she did was whine like a baby. "James, your family needs you here!" (sob) That was $500 dollars a week for the family. Yeah, he was going far away, but he was doing it for them, and Florida accused him for doing it for himself. She did pack up and went to Arizona with Carl, right? Then, she refused to do the vitabrite commercial making $5000. She was so worried about her "lying repuation" It wasn't lying, it was acting. Furthermore, J.J. won that $2500 on the lotto, and she told him he should put it in the bank. It wasn't her money to tell him to do that. Man, I loved Florida, but sometimes, she had some issues that needed to be ironed out. She was selfish.

Oh yeah, I knew there was something I wanted to post but luckily you brought it up. Yeah she was selfish for not wanting James to leave for Alaska. Had he left there, he never would have died in Mississippi!!!!!!
anyhow, yeah, I have a spouse that had a job that required him to leave out of town for two weeks at a time and three months at a time, it was hard and I missed him, but for the overall good of our family I accepted it. James was someone you could trust. He wouldn't hurt Florida. I trusted my man. Now, if she was dealing with a man who was irresponsible, I could see Florida's point, but she was wrong here!!!! James would have had my total support!!

[Brian Damage]

I really don't see Florida as being selfish. She wanted her family close by. She wanted a father for her children. Especially in a dangerous ghetto, she wanted her man to be around. Florida had faith in Jesus that somehow they would get by, and they always did.

[Zions Mother]

All women are selfish or if you want a softer reference "spoiled" to a certain degree, in their own way about different things. As far as the commercial, she was just as honest with herself as she was with James and the money she convinced him to turn in. Edith did the same thing when she had the detergent commercial. As far as JJ, as a mother she was doing the right thing to advise him to put it in the bank. She was teaching him responsibility. It may have been his money, but he was still living in her house, and she is his mother. The sitcom was about family, togetherness, honesty, morals.

If I'm not mistaken, and I agree with Florida, the children were still in school. Teenagers or not, they needed their father there. When Florida left, they were basically adults.

It has nothing to do with trust, it had nothing to do with Florida being selfish it had everything to do with the family structure. Even today, I'm all for it. If the husband moves, we all move together at the same time. Otherwise, we stay put.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Zions Mother

All women are selfish or if you want a softer reference "spoiled" to a certain degree, in their own way about different things. As far as the commercial, she was just as honest with herself as she was with James and the money she convinced him to turn in. Edith did the same thing when she had the detergent commercial. As far as JJ, as a mother she was doing the right thing to advise him to put it in the bank. She was teaching him responsibility. It may have been his money, but he was still living in her house, and she is his mother. The sitcom was about family, togetherness, honesty, morals.

If I'm not mistaken, and I agree with Florida, the children were still in school. Teenagers or not, they needed their father there. When Florida left, they were basically adults.

It has nothing to do with trust, it had nothing to do with Florida being selfish it had everything to do with the family structure. Even today, I'm all for it. If the husband moves, we all move together at the same time. Otherwise, we stay put.

I see your point Zion, but remember the episode. Florida was kinda ok abt the job UNTIL WILLONA STUCK HER TWO CENTS IN and started putting ideas into her head abt those "camps" and how they women who "entertain". That's when Florida lost it. Yes she felt her man should be by her side and her kids side especially living in the ghetto, however, she did tell James abt what Willona had said. It was hard enough for her then like typical Willona, stuck her nose in. If I understand correctly, he could have gone to the job and had something happened, he could have returned back home. It's not like he wasn't going to get paid if he didn't stay the year.

[Zions Mother]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I see your point Zion, but remember the episode. Florida was kinda ok abt the job UNTIL WILLONA STUCK HER TWO CENTS IN and started putting ideas into her head abt those "camps" and how they women who "entertain". That's when Florida lost it. Yes she felt her man should be by her side and her kids side especially living in the ghetto, however, she did tell James abt what Willona had said. It was hard enough for her then like typical Willona, stuck her nose in. If I understand correctly, he could have gone to the job and had something happened, he could have returned back home. It's not like he wasn't going to get paid if he didn't stay the year.

I have to watch that episode again and pay close attention to Willona. I guess I'm just very old school and if what Willona was saying was fact and not fiction, that would be a consideration. Like the old women used to tell me, you can't stop a man from doing whatever he wants to do, but you don't make it easy for them either. We are all human not infallible. And James was fine.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Zions Mother

I have to watch that episode again and pay close attention to Willona. I guess I'm just very old school and if what Willona was saying was fact and not fiction, that would be a consideration. Like the old women used to tell me, you can't stop a man from doing whatever he wants to do, but you don't make it easy for them either. We are all human not infallible. And James was fine.

I haven't seen that episode in a long while but I do remember it well enough that Willona was pushing it kinda hard to Florida. If Willona was a good friend and she knew James well enough, she should not have put ideas in Florida's head, whether they are true or not. Florida didn't ask her about those jobs. Willona said she had a friend that had a boyfriend that worked at one of those jobs and he (the boyfriend) told her abt what really goes on down at those "camps". If I had a friend that had a hard-working loving trusting husband, I wouldn't put ideas in her head. If he does anything, that's on him. It's like what you typed. You can't stop it.

[Ireneparalegal]

Oh yeah, and to be realistic, in this case James turned down the job and that was the end of that. But in the real world it would have been good to show in later episodes when the money got tight again or James was having employment struggles, it would have been good to show James saying (out of anger folks, don't get mad): "You see Florida, if I had just taken that Alaska job we wouldn't be in this mess". Or something to that effect. Imagine those words being said in some episode a couple months after the Alaska job episode. Doesn't that make sense at least? A man who has worked and struggled as hard as James has, would feel that way. The writers already had him saying male chauvinistic things today when Florida was flipping out, so why not have him say things out of anger regarding not having gone to Alaska?

[Zions Mother]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I haven't seen that episode in a long while but I do remember it well enough that Willona was pushing it kinda hard to Florida. If Willona was a good friend and she knew James well enough, she should not have put ideas in Florida's head, whether they are true or not. Florida didn't ask her about those jobs. Willona said she had a friend that had a boyfriend that worked at one of those jobs and he (the boyfriend) told her abt what really goes on down at those "camps". If I had a friend that had a hard-working loving trusting husband, I wouldn't put ideas in her head. If he does anything, that's on him. It's like what you typed. You can't stop it.

Willona was a typical single woman. She really didn't have any business commenting, neither Florida getting sucked in and listening, but in real life it happens.

I remember when one of my sisters friends got married and we were all on vacation shortly thereafter and my sister was still single. One evening the friend thought she was about to hang out with my sister. My mother said oh no honey, your married now, you will be hanging out with me.

As far as James and his statement, I watched that episode today, it may have been what some consider chauvanistic, but back in the day that is what some men thought.

Hell, if I had a husband like James, with money of course, who was content with me staying home and taking care of him and the kids, no problem.

What Florida had not realized is that in doing just that, you can still have purpose and be somebody. Hell, my mother did it and she has no complaints, and she has so much confidence in who she is, sometimes I think too much

Plus, I think Florida was a little hormonal. Something had to set her off, she never had a problem with being a stay at home mother before.

I know when I'm hormonal, I can't even stand myself, so I just don't go around anyone until I get myself in check.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Zions Mother

Willona was a typical single woman. She really didn't have any business commenting, neither Florida getting sucked in and listening, but in real life it happens.

I remember when one of my sisters friends got married and we were all on vacation shortly thereafter and my sister was still single. One evening the friend thought she was about to hang out with my sister. My mother said oh no honey, your married now, you will be hanging out with me.

As far as James and his statement, I watched that episode today, it may have been what some consider chauvanistic, but back in the day that is what some men thought.

Hell, if I had a husband like James, with money of course, who was content with me staying home and taking care of him and the kids, no problem.

What Florida had not realized is that in doing just that, you can still have purpose and be somebody. Hell, my mother did it and she has no complaints, and she has so much confidence in who she is, sometimes I think too much

Plus, I think Florida was a little hormonal. Something had to set her off, she never had a problem with being a stay at home mother before.

I know when I'm hormonal, I can't even stand myself, so I just don't go around anyone until I get myself in check.

Oh hell yeah Zion, I hear you loud and clear. I notice the guys responding on the board don;t understand, but guess what, they never do about these things. Man, I know I have days when it seems like everything is crap or falling apart when it really isn't, it's just hormones. Or worse, the time of the month coming at ya!!! Yuck!!! I get the symptoms a week before it actually starts. Men don't understand and never will. It is an ugly feeling when your body takes over you physically, emotionally and sometimes verbally LOL. That's what was really wrong with Florida, but it's life and there are no easy answers and no quick fix its. I totally understand that episode. Notice the guys said stuff that wasn't nice. If only they knew.

[Zions Mother]

Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Oh hell yeah Zion, I hear you loud and clear. I notice the guys responding on the board don;t understand, but guess what, they never do about these things. Man, I know I have days when it seems like everything is crap or falling apart when it really isn't, it's just hormones. Or worse, the time of the month coming at ya!!! Yuck!!! I get the symptoms a week before it actually starts. Men don't understand and never will. It is an ugly feeling when your body takes over you physically, emotionally and sometimes verbally LOL. That's what was really wrong with Florida, but it's life and there are no easy answers and no quick fix its. I totally understand that episode. Notice the guys said stuff that wasn't nice. If only they knew.

It's funny how we switch from one sitcom topic to another within the same thread.

Anyhoo in regards to the men, we may be hormonal, but the catch attitudes for no reason at all too. They chalk it up to getting up on the wrong side of the bed.

It's funny cause I tell my mother that my dog Zion is just like a typical man, one minute I can say come give mommy a kiss, or come and let mommy rub your belly or ears and he will look at me and turn his head and walk away. And when I'm busy or tired, here he comes rolling on his back spread eagle wanting me to rub his belly or wanting to give me a kiss. When they (men) want what they want, they want it. When they don't want to be bothered, they don't want to be bothered. They (men) catch attitude too.

let's see how many men catch this.

[Ireneparalegal]

Originally Posted by Zions Mother

It's funny how we switch from one sitcom topic to another within the same thread.

Anyhoo in regards to the men, we may be hormonal, but the catch attitudes for no reason at all too. They chalk it up to getting up on the wrong side of the bed.

It's funny cause I tell my mother that my dog Zion is just like a typical man, one minute I can say come give mommy a kiss, or come and let mommy rub your belly or ears and he will look at me and turn his head and walk away. And when I'm busy or tired, here he comes rolling on his back spread eagle wanting me to rub his belly or wanting to give me a kiss. When they (men) want what they want, they want it. When they don't want to be bothered, they don't want to be bothered. They (men) catch attitude too.

let's see how many men catch this.

They missed it totally Zion

[Ireneparalegal]

You know Zion you hit it on the head. I swear, we are like a toy football to men sometimes. When they want to play with us, they pick us up and play. Then when they don't want to play no more, they throw us back down, not even in the damn toybox!!!! Yeah, as far as men saying" Oh yeah, it's that time of the month, or getting off the wrong side of the bed. HELLO D**KHEAD, why can't I have a valid reason for feeling the way I feel??? Men do, why can't women??? Can't I have a migraine? Can't I feel tired from having not slept the night before? Can't I be on edge knowing the house is a mess, the kids need to be tended to, there are errands and appts., etc. and I have cramps that hurt like hell and there is nothing to relieve them. When a man gets sick (boo hoo) oh my God, spread the seas because he is so sick, he wants to die...and all he has is a cold!!!!!!!!

[Brian Damage]

I wouldn't have minded if they did send James to Alaska as a storyline to explain John Amos' disappearance. Then hopefully, Norman Lear would come to his senses and hire John back.