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RLohrer · 07-31-2005, 01:03 PM

If you watch the ABP series, you notice Bill Quinn's role as Mr. Edgar Van R. is not on nearly as much. Did Bill Quinn have health problems in real life, especially in its 4th season, or the fact they had enough characters that his appearance wasn't needed as much. If someone could tell me, I'd greatly appreciate it. You also notice with the addition of Denise Miller that Danielle Brisebois's appearance were lessened.

Dr. Thong · 07-31-2005, 01:11 PM

I really don't know about Mr. Van R's lessened appearances, but I would guess that he wasn't a central character to the series and probably was used only when needed. So, you're probably right on that one.

I think after the Murray character (played by Martin Balsam) left, the show went downhill. Archie needs a strong foil to work against and they just kept adding young characters like Billie in a desperate attempt to have Archie deal with the issues of young girls, which he was ill-equipped to deal with.

MikeLutton · 08-01-2005, 05:02 AM

yeah after Murrey left Abp was not funny anymore and when billie came on it was like Having Full House but in the 80s.just was not the same

ThomasE · 08-02-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeL

yeah after Murrey left Abp was not funny anymore and when billie came on it was like Having Full House but in the 80s.just was not the same

Full was in the 80's LOL. But I think I see the point that you are trying to make.

Dr. Thong · 08-02-2005, 04:41 PM

One of the good things about this show was that it least it changed its name from All In The Family. Some shows continue on without key characters and while they keep the show's name, it's not the same show really. At least they changed the name and shifted the focus to the bar.

It wasn't the same Archie from AITF - he'd softened over the years - and it was a more traditional kind of sitcom, so the name change was appropriate.

MikeLutton · 08-05-2005, 11:53 PM

i think when Edith left the House.Archie could do anything he wanted he schould of found a new home for Stephanie and Billie and remolded the House. stil kept the bar and invited some people over and stil yelled at the neighbors about everything lol.that would been funny.either that or move in2 that apt he didnt get move in2

Dr. Thong · 08-06-2005, 05:17 PM

Personally, when Mike and Gloria left All In The Family to move to California, they should've ended it then and there.

cp · 08-07-2005, 10:57 AM

Archie Bunkers Place was Not as excellent as AITF.

It was still a great show & had many memorable episodes.

I`m glad to have AITF & ABP on DVD.

I wish ABP would be released unedited on DVD commercially like AITF but I don`t think it will happen.

Dr. Thong · 08-07-2005, 01:20 PM

All In The Family was a great show, a classic. A show that's still remembered fondly to this day.

Archie Bunker's Place was a good show. Period.

If ABP didn't have the AITF to compare to, it would come off better. When I watched Archie's show a couple of years ago, it didn't hold up quite as well as I would have thought.

RLohrer · 08-07-2005, 02:13 PM

In my opinion, ABP is the best show of all time. In my opinion, Archie, Murray, Veronica and Steph were better than Archie, Edith, Mike and Gloria. The AITF ones without Archie showed how much the other 3 needed him. The first 2 years of ABP were a little better than the last 2. O' Connor in his autobiography "I Think I'm outta Here" talked about what a great actor Martin Balsam was and I think be blows Reiner away as an actor. I liked how Murray and Rabinowitz could put Archie down subtlely while Mike spent half the time ranting and raving. Even Gloria could overdo it with her crying. When they complete AITF on DVD they will and should put ABP on DVD. O' Connor really was a genius in writing scripts. In that book, he says he came up for the rough draft of "Archie Alone" and came up with the idea of Gloria having her own show. He also said he wrote one of the rough drafts on AITF's pilot. Anybody who knew him said he was one of the bests at taking a script and making it better. Norman Lear said he considered O' Connor as Bunker as the best acting ever and he's right. It would have been nice to have seen Bunker interact with characters as Fred Sanford and Al Bundy. Also years ago when they got the Jefferson's and Seinfeld's parents on thos Denny's commercials, it would have been sweet to see Stapleton and O' Connor in one of those,.

Brian Damage · 08-07-2005, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RLohrer

In my opinion, ABP is the best show of all time. In my opinion, Archie, Murray, Veronica and Steph were better than Archie, Edith, Mike and Gloria.

Wow, that's the first I've ever heard someone say that.

Mr. Television · 08-07-2005, 05:15 PM

As much as I liked Archie Bunker's Place it was no All In The Family.

Brian Damage · 08-07-2005, 05:28 PM

agreed

Pug Lover · 04-12-2006, 09:48 PM

I find the differences between AITF and ABP to be among many examples of how art imitates life.Both these shows are from different eras.AITF 70s era,ABP 80s era.A lot had changed in Archie's life in ABP.Just as the 1980s were a big change from the 70s.Things change all the time.It's an ever changing world we live in.

stevea · 04-11-2023, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RLohrer

In my opinion, ABP is the best show of all time.

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Wow, that's the first I've ever heard someone say that.

It's probably the ONLY time someone said that.

07-31-2005, 01:03 PM	#1
RLohrer Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 16, 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 41	Question? If you watch the ABP series, you notice Bill Quinn's role as Mr. Edgar Van R. is not on nearly as much. Did Bill Quinn have health problems in real life, especially in its 4th season, or the fact they had enough characters that his appearance wasn't needed as much. If someone could tell me, I'd greatly appreciate it. You also notice with the addition of Denise Miller that Danielle Brisebois's appearance were lessened.
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07-31-2005, 01:11 PM	#2
Dr. Thong a/k/a "ACK!" Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 5,545	I really don't know about Mr. Van R's lessened appearances, but I would guess that he wasn't a central character to the series and probably was used only when needed. So, you're probably right on that one. I think after the Murray character (played by Martin Balsam) left, the show went downhill. Archie needs a strong foil to work against and they just kept adding young characters like Billie in a desperate attempt to have Archie deal with the issues of young girls, which he was ill-equipped to deal with.
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08-01-2005, 05:02 AM	#3
MikeLutton Mike Lutton DVD Legend! Forum Veteran Join Date: Jan 05, 2005 Location: usa pennsyvania Posts: 6,870	reply yeah after Murrey left Abp was not funny anymore and when billie came on it was like Having Full House but in the 80s.just was not the same

08-05-2005, 11:53 PM	#6
MikeLutton Mike Lutton DVD Legend! Forum Veteran Join Date: Jan 05, 2005 Location: usa pennsyvania Posts: 6,870	reply i think when Edith left the House.Archie could do anything he wanted he schould of found a new home for Stephanie and Billie and remolded the House. stil kept the bar and invited some people over and stil yelled at the neighbors about everything lol.that would been funny.either that or move in2 that apt he didnt get move in2

08-07-2005, 10:57 AM	#8
cp Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 10, 2000 Location: MN Posts: 359	Re: Archie Bunkers Place was Not as excellent as AITF. It was still a great show & had many memorable episodes. I`m glad to have AITF & ABP on DVD. I wish ABP would be released unedited on DVD commercially like AITF but I don`t think it will happen.
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08-02-2005, 04:41 PM	#5
Dr. Thong a/k/a "ACK!" Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 5,545	One of the good things about this show was that it least it changed its name from All In The Family. Some shows continue on without key characters and while they keep the show's name, it's not the same show really. At least they changed the name and shifted the focus to the bar. It wasn't the same Archie from AITF - he'd softened over the years - and it was a more traditional kind of sitcom, so the name change was appropriate.

08-06-2005, 05:17 PM	#7
Dr. Thong a/k/a "ACK!" Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 5,545	Personally, when Mike and Gloria left All In The Family to move to California, they should've ended it then and there.

08-07-2005, 01:20 PM	#9
Dr. Thong a/k/a "ACK!" Forum Veteran Join Date: Jul 10, 2001 Location: New Hampshire, USA Posts: 5,545	All In The Family was a great show, a classic. A show that's still remembered fondly to this day. Archie Bunker's Place was a good show. Period. If ABP didn't have the AITF to compare to, it would come off better. When I watched Archie's show a couple of years ago, it didn't hold up quite as well as I would have thought.

08-07-2005, 02:13 PM	#10
RLohrer Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 16, 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 41	In my opinion, ABP is the best show of all time. In my opinion, Archie, Murray, Veronica and Steph were better than Archie, Edith, Mike and Gloria. The AITF ones without Archie showed how much the other 3 needed him. The first 2 years of ABP were a little better than the last 2. O' Connor in his autobiography "I Think I'm outta Here" talked about what a great actor Martin Balsam was and I think be blows Reiner away as an actor. I liked how Murray and Rabinowitz could put Archie down subtlely while Mike spent half the time ranting and raving. Even Gloria could overdo it with her crying. When they complete AITF on DVD they will and should put ABP on DVD. O' Connor really was a genius in writing scripts. In that book, he says he came up for the rough draft of "Archie Alone" and came up with the idea of Gloria having her own show. He also said he wrote one of the rough drafts on AITF's pilot. Anybody who knew him said he was one of the bests at taking a script and making it better. Norman Lear said he considered O' Connor as Bunker as the best acting ever and he's right. It would have been nice to have seen Bunker interact with characters as Fred Sanford and Al Bundy. Also years ago when they got the Jefferson's and Seinfeld's parents on thos Denny's commercials, it would have been sweet to see Stapleton and O' Connor in one of those,.

08-07-2005, 05:15 PM	#12
Mr. Television 22 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,125	As much as I liked Archie Bunker's Place it was no All In The Family.
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08-07-2005, 05:28 PM	#13
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,108	agreed

04-12-2006, 09:48 PM	#14
Pug Lover Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 05, 2003 Location: Hamilton Ontario Canada Posts: 467	I find the differences between AITF and ABP to be among many examples of how art imitates life.Both these shows are from different eras.AITF 70s era,ABP 80s era.A lot had changed in Archie's life in ABP.Just as the 1980s were a big change from the 70s.Things change all the time.It's an ever changing world we live in.
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