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boco357 · 07-29-2005, 12:01 AM

Any one have any new info on this case. It seems to be linked to Mena, Arkansas drug trafficing.

DarkDante · 07-29-2005, 12:42 AM

There is a book out on the murders called "The Boys On The Tracks" by Mara Levitt I believe. In this book a witness on the night of Ives and Henry's death say they saw several people in the woods that night who were "not supposed to be there" - These people (some of them might in fact be drug runners related to Mena or the officials who were protecting them specifically a drug runner named Barry Seal) beat Ives and Henry severely with the butt of a rifle before stabbing them and laying them on the tracks.

These people have never been identified however. Linda Ives (Kevin's mom) has a website devoted to the case and is looking for donations so she can hire a high powered investigator to investigate the case further. Frankly I doubt we'll ever know what happened to these two boys. This thing goes up way too high in state and possibly federal government cover ups for it to be solved anytime soon. If it was solved it would likely result in some very familiar faces to the American public plastered across the "evening news" in a less than flattering light.

http://www.idfiles.com/

boco357 · 07-29-2005, 12:59 AM

Read the book and unfortunately the website hasn't been updated in years it looks like. Amazing how many others were killed that had info on the case. They got some cocaine I think sold it, went back a few weeks later and that was the end. I doubt it will ever be solved. Justice for Ives/Henry!!!

SP4CE INV4DERZ · 07-30-2005, 10:57 AM

What I find amazing is, according to the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast these two boys had a gun themselves. Surely they could have put up some sort of fight... you'd think...

Steffromquebec73 · 07-31-2005, 06:39 AM

Yeah, that case was very bizarre.

I'd like to read the book, I"ll look for it in the library.

Yup, one would've think that w/a gun they could've defend themselves!

I thought when I originally saw it a while ago that maybe they ran into people that didn't want them to hunt w/o a liscence (they were hunting illegally, lighting a flashlight in animals's eyes at night, which is illegal in AK) and then got into an argument w/them. I didn't originally know that they could've run into a drug drop cover-up by local authorities.

Humm...

boco357 · 07-31-2005, 10:56 PM

. Kevin Ives/ Don Henry - Initial cause of death reported to be resulting from falling asleep on railroad tracks in Arkansas on Aug. 23, 1987. This initial ruling was reported by state medical examiner Fahmy Malak. It was later determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull and that Don had been stabbed in the back prior to being placed on the tracks. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon the Mena drug operation.

2. Keith Koney - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident resulting from a car chase in July 1988.

3. Keith McKaskle - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Was stabbed to death in Nov. 1988.

4. Gregory Collins - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died from a gunshot wound to the head in Jan. 1989.

5. Jeff Rhodes - held information on the Ives/Henry/McKaskle deaths. Burned body was found in trash dump in April 1989. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, some body mutilation.

6. James Milan - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Was decapitated; state examiner Fahmy Malak initially ruled death by natural causes.

7. Richard Winters - Suspect in the deaths of Ives/Henry. Killed in a robbery in July 1989 which was subsequently proved to be a setup.

8. Jordan Kettleson - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Found shot to death in the front seat of of his pickup on June 1990.

www.totse.com

mortytbusybody · 08-01-2005, 03:24 AM

I remember the medical findings stated that the boys had smoked 1-2 joints before being killed. They might have stumbled across illegal drug activity and been lured into a false sense of security by being offered to join the "party". Then when their guard was down they were permanently silenced. (Of course, the medical findings originally stated that the boys had died from smoking 12-13 marajana joints, so who knows how accurate any of the forensics are?) I agree that the Ives and Henry families need to have justice...

boco357 · 08-01-2005, 08:53 AM

http://www.gannett.com/go/newswatch/...t/nw0803-4.htm

A video that repeated allegations made by individuals with questionable credibility did not defame the subjects where the allegations were supported by multiple sources, a federal appeals court has ruled. (Campbell v. Citizens for an Honest Government, Inc., July 10, 2001.) The ruling reverses a $600,000 jury verdict.

In August 1987, the bodies of two teen-agers, Kevin Ives and Don Henry, were found on railroad tracks in a remote part of Saline County, Ark., where they had been run over by a train. Although officials initially believed their deaths were the accidental result of marijuana intoxication, the cause of death was changed to homicide after a second autopsy suggested that the boys died before their bodies were laid on the railroad tracks.

Law-enforcement officials interviewed several purported eyewitnesses who placed Pulaski County, Ark., Deputy Sheriffs Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane, either by name or by description, with the boys on the night they died. A grand jury was convened, and both Campbell and Lane testified before it. However, no one was ever prosecuted for the murders.

Kevin Ives' mother Linda, dissatisfied with the progress of law-enforcement investigations into the deaths, began her own investigation, collecting reports from law-enforcement agencies involved in the effort.

Film Producer Pat Matrisciana learned of Ives' efforts to discover the truth behind the death of her son. Relying on information he obtained from Ives, former Saline County Deputy Prosecutor Jean Duffey, and John Brown, an investigator for the Saline County Sheriff's Department, Matrisciana produced a video entitled "Obstruction of Justice: The Mena Connection."

The video portrayed a botched investigation into the deaths of the two boys and a subsequent cover-up. Toward the end of the video, the narrator stated that "eyewitnesses" had implicated several people in the murders and cover-up, including, among others, Campbell and Lane.

Campbell and Lane filed suit for defamation against Matrisciana and his film production companies. After trial, a jury found in favor of the deputy sheriffs, awarding $600,000. Matrisciana appealed, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit reversed.

As public officials, the deputy sheriffs were required to prove that any allegedly defamatory statements about them were false. The appeals court found it "troublesome" that the video narration stated that "eyewitnesses" had implicated Campbell and Lane in the murders or subsequent cover-up. Referring to the original sources as "eyewitnesses" lends a certain tone of authenticity to the claim, the court noted, when in fact, the "eyewitnesses" in this case had less-than-stellar reputations and records, including convictions for violent or drug-related offenses.

Nevertheless, the court observed, that was precisely what law-enforcement records indicated: that "purported eyewitnesses implicated law enforcement officers in the deaths of the Ives and Henry boys." Thus, it concluded, although their credibility might be questionable, it was true that the "eyewitnesses" implicated Campbell and Lane.

For similar reasons, the court ruled that Campbell and Lane failed to show that the statement was made with actual malice -- that is, despite knowing or reckless disregard for its falsity. Although "there may have been reasons to doubt the veracity" of each individual source, it noted, "there are multiple sources for the statement that eyewitnesses had implicated Campbell and Lane." In light of the "corroboration by multiple sources," the court could find no reason to doubt the accuracy of their statements.

The court cautioned that "to say that Matrisciana did not cross the line into public-figure libel is not to say he stayed within the bounds of ethics and fairness." For example, it noted, although the omission did not amount to actual malice, "it would have been prudent of Matrisciana to insert the term 'alleged' before, or 'of dubious character' after the word 'eyewitnesses'" to alert viewers that the credibility of these sources was not beyond reproach.

7hurricane · 08-08-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boco357

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6. James Milan - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Was decapitated; state examiner Fahmy Malak initially ruled death by natural causes.
www.totse.com

how is this natural causes?? LOL...examiners kill me sometimes...pardon the pun.

Steffromquebec73 · 08-11-2005, 05:05 AM

Didn't another similar case of "boys on the track" happen in OK (or some other near-AK state) 3 or 4 yrs before that murder? 2 other teen boys found dead in similar circumstances??

And decapitated, natural cause? So bizarre...That examiner's credibility seems shady!!

boco357 · 08-11-2005, 04:49 PM

Fahmy Malak got Clinton's mother off a murder. So Clinton hooked him up with jobs, until the it got so bad he had to let him go.

KyooMac · 08-12-2005, 10:02 AM

I don't know I just watched this clip over at Echoes and I have to say. I think these two were involved in something shadey and got in over their heads. I'm not saying they deserved it etc... I'm just saying they maybe got caught up in something bad and paid the ultimate price.

Detox · 08-12-2005, 10:12 AM

I believe that they saw something happening in the woods that they should not have seen. The mid to late 80's was a boom period for all facets of drug culture, and there is no better place to grow and distribute drugs than a remote area. I find it no surprise that most of the people who held info in the case soon died, since the drug business is a shady enterprise, and the price of life is compromised so that the criminal element can stay free.

boco357 · 08-12-2005, 10:55 AM

One of the pilots, who made the drug drops, said that one of the drops he made a week before the boys were killed was missing. I think the boys went back and met with it is rumored to be cops and also Dan Harmon, who was the Ives/Henry attorney in the first case. These were kids and maybe they were doing wrong things and obviously they didnt deserve this.

KyooMac · 08-12-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Detox

I find it no surprise that most of the people who held info in the case soon died, since the drug business is a shady enterprise, and the price of life is compromised so that the criminal element can stay free.

Exactly, I grew up in a rural area and as kids we would find pot growing in some remote areas. But if we ran across it happening, how many people would have seen us? Not too many, but if we would have been involved, well then there would have been reason to get rid of people who knew we were involved. Plus, the pilot's insinuation was that someone stole a drop of drugs previously. Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

07-29-2005, 12:01 AM	#1
boco357 Not Muhammad Ali Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 109	Boys on the Tracks-Friends till the End (Ives/Henry Case) Any one have any new info on this case. It seems to be linked to Mena, Arkansas drug trafficing.

07-29-2005, 12:42 AM	#2
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	To make a long story short There is a book out on the murders called "The Boys On The Tracks" by Mara Levitt I believe. In this book a witness on the night of Ives and Henry's death say they saw several people in the woods that night who were "not supposed to be there" - These people (some of them might in fact be drug runners related to Mena or the officials who were protecting them specifically a drug runner named Barry Seal) beat Ives and Henry severely with the butt of a rifle before stabbing them and laying them on the tracks. These people have never been identified however. Linda Ives (Kevin's mom) has a website devoted to the case and is looking for donations so she can hire a high powered investigator to investigate the case further. Frankly I doubt we'll ever know what happened to these two boys. This thing goes up way too high in state and possibly federal government cover ups for it to be solved anytime soon. If it was solved it would likely result in some very familiar faces to the American public plastered across the "evening news" in a less than flattering light. http://www.idfiles.com/

07-31-2005, 10:56 PM	#6
boco357 Not Muhammad Ali Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 109	Take a look at all of the figures in the case who have mysteriously died . Kevin Ives/ Don Henry - Initial cause of death reported to be resulting from falling asleep on railroad tracks in Arkansas on Aug. 23, 1987. This initial ruling was reported by state medical examiner Fahmy Malak. It was later determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull and that Don had been stabbed in the back prior to being placed on the tracks. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon the Mena drug operation. 2. Keith Koney - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident resulting from a car chase in July 1988. 3. Keith McKaskle - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Was stabbed to death in Nov. 1988. 4. Gregory Collins - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died from a gunshot wound to the head in Jan. 1989. 5. Jeff Rhodes - held information on the Ives/Henry/McKaskle deaths. Burned body was found in trash dump in April 1989. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, some body mutilation. 6. James Milan - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Was decapitated; state examiner Fahmy Malak initially ruled death by natural causes. 7. Richard Winters - Suspect in the deaths of Ives/Henry. Killed in a robbery in July 1989 which was subsequently proved to be a setup. 8. Jordan Kettleson - held information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Found shot to death in the front seat of of his pickup on June 1990. www.totse.com

08-01-2005, 08:53 AM	#8
boco357 Not Muhammad Ali Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 109	Last Update I found http://www.gannett.com/go/newswatch/...t/nw0803-4.htm A video that repeated allegations made by individuals with questionable credibility did not defame the subjects where the allegations were supported by multiple sources, a federal appeals court has ruled. (Campbell v. Citizens for an Honest Government, Inc., July 10, 2001.) The ruling reverses a $600,000 jury verdict. In August 1987, the bodies of two teen-agers, Kevin Ives and Don Henry, were found on railroad tracks in a remote part of Saline County, Ark., where they had been run over by a train. Although officials initially believed their deaths were the accidental result of marijuana intoxication, the cause of death was changed to homicide after a second autopsy suggested that the boys died before their bodies were laid on the railroad tracks. Law-enforcement officials interviewed several purported eyewitnesses who placed Pulaski County, Ark., Deputy Sheriffs Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane, either by name or by description, with the boys on the night they died. A grand jury was convened, and both Campbell and Lane testified before it. However, no one was ever prosecuted for the murders. Kevin Ives' mother Linda, dissatisfied with the progress of law-enforcement investigations into the deaths, began her own investigation, collecting reports from law-enforcement agencies involved in the effort. Film Producer Pat Matrisciana learned of Ives' efforts to discover the truth behind the death of her son. Relying on information he obtained from Ives, former Saline County Deputy Prosecutor Jean Duffey, and John Brown, an investigator for the Saline County Sheriff's Department, Matrisciana produced a video entitled "Obstruction of Justice: The Mena Connection." The video portrayed a botched investigation into the deaths of the two boys and a subsequent cover-up. Toward the end of the video, the narrator stated that "eyewitnesses" had implicated several people in the murders and cover-up, including, among others, Campbell and Lane. Campbell and Lane filed suit for defamation against Matrisciana and his film production companies. After trial, a jury found in favor of the deputy sheriffs, awarding $600,000. Matrisciana appealed, and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit reversed. As public officials, the deputy sheriffs were required to prove that any allegedly defamatory statements about them were false. The appeals court found it "troublesome" that the video narration stated that "eyewitnesses" had implicated Campbell and Lane in the murders or subsequent cover-up. Referring to the original sources as "eyewitnesses" lends a certain tone of authenticity to the claim, the court noted, when in fact, the "eyewitnesses" in this case had less-than-stellar reputations and records, including convictions for violent or drug-related offenses. Nevertheless, the court observed, that was precisely what law-enforcement records indicated: that "purported eyewitnesses implicated law enforcement officers in the deaths of the Ives and Henry boys." Thus, it concluded, although their credibility might be questionable, it was true that the "eyewitnesses" implicated Campbell and Lane. For similar reasons, the court ruled that Campbell and Lane failed to show that the statement was made with actual malice -- that is, despite knowing or reckless disregard for its falsity. Although "there may have been reasons to doubt the veracity" of each individual source, it noted, "there are multiple sources for the statement that eyewitnesses had implicated Campbell and Lane." In light of the "corroboration by multiple sources," the court could find no reason to doubt the accuracy of their statements. The court cautioned that "to say that Matrisciana did not cross the line into public-figure libel is not to say he stayed within the bounds of ethics and fairness." For example, it noted, although the omission did not amount to actual malice, "it would have been prudent of Matrisciana to insert the term 'alleged' before, or 'of dubious character' after the word 'eyewitnesses'" to alert viewers that the credibility of these sources was not beyond reproach.

07-29-2005, 12:59 AM	#3
boco357 Not Muhammad Ali Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 109	Read the book and unfortunately the website hasn't been updated in years it looks like. Amazing how many others were killed that had info on the case. They got some cocaine I think sold it, went back a few weeks later and that was the end. I doubt it will ever be solved. Justice for Ives/Henry!!!

07-30-2005, 10:57 AM	#4
SP4CE INV4DERZ 40-0 0WN3D Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2004 Posts: 630	What I find amazing is, according to the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast these two boys had a gun themselves. Surely they could have put up some sort of fight... you'd think...

07-31-2005, 06:39 AM	#5
Steffromquebec73 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 30, 2005 Posts: 20	Yeah, that case was very bizarre. I'd like to read the book, I"ll look for it in the library. Yup, one would've think that w/a gun they could've defend themselves! I thought when I originally saw it a while ago that maybe they ran into people that didn't want them to hunt w/o a liscence (they were hunting illegally, lighting a flashlight in animals's eyes at night, which is illegal in AK) and then got into an argument w/them. I didn't originally know that they could've run into a drug drop cover-up by local authorities. Humm...

08-01-2005, 03:24 AM	#7
mortytbusybody Mystery Nut Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 26, 2004 Location: California Posts: 69	I remember the medical findings stated that the boys had smoked 1-2 joints before being killed. They might have stumbled across illegal drug activity and been lured into a false sense of security by being offered to join the "party". Then when their guard was down they were permanently silenced. (Of course, the medical findings originally stated that the boys had died from smoking 12-13 marajana joints, so who knows how accurate any of the forensics are?) I agree that the Ives and Henry families need to have justice...

08-11-2005, 05:05 AM	#10
Steffromquebec73 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 30, 2005 Posts: 20	Didn't another similar case of "boys on the track" happen in OK (or some other near-AK state) 3 or 4 yrs before that murder? 2 other teen boys found dead in similar circumstances?? And decapitated, natural cause? So bizarre...That examiner's credibility seems shady!!

08-11-2005, 04:49 PM	#11
boco357 Not Muhammad Ali Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 109	Fahmy Malak got Clinton's mother off a murder. So Clinton hooked him up with jobs, until the it got so bad he had to let him go.

08-12-2005, 10:02 AM	#12
KyooMac Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 05, 2005 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 123	I don't know I just watched this clip over at Echoes and I have to say. I think these two were involved in something shadey and got in over their heads. I'm not saying they deserved it etc... I'm just saying they maybe got caught up in something bad and paid the ultimate price.

08-12-2005, 10:12 AM	#13
Detox Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Oct 06, 2004 Posts: 21	I believe that they saw something happening in the woods that they should not have seen. The mid to late 80's was a boom period for all facets of drug culture, and there is no better place to grow and distribute drugs than a remote area. I find it no surprise that most of the people who held info in the case soon died, since the drug business is a shady enterprise, and the price of life is compromised so that the criminal element can stay free.

08-12-2005, 10:55 AM	#14
boco357 Not Muhammad Ali Frequent Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2005 Posts: 109	One of the pilots, who made the drug drops, said that one of the drops he made a week before the boys were killed was missing. I think the boys went back and met with it is rumored to be cops and also Dan Harmon, who was the Ives/Henry attorney in the first case. These were kids and maybe they were doing wrong things and obviously they didnt deserve this.