10 TV shows that lived past their expiration date (according to msn.com) - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

Brian Damage · 07-13-2005, 10:27 PM

"Cheers" (NBC, 1982-1993)
Yes, the show was No. 1 its last season, but it was largely on the strength of its nostalgia factor. "Cheers" was never the same after Diane (Shelley Long) left in 1987. Though Diane herself wasn't the strongest character, she was the perfect foil. The barbs she exchanged with Sam (Ted Danson) created some of the crackliest sexual tension in TV history and her ongoing feud with Carla (Rhea Perlman) created great putdowns (Diane: "Oh no. The thing I feared most has happened." Carla: "What? Your Living Bra died of boredom?"). And Diane introduced the character of Frasier, who then brought in Lilith -- the wittiest, weirdest couple in prime time. Kirstie Alley couldn't bridge the character gap left by Diane; and frankly, wasn't everyone sick of dimwitted Woody after one season?

"Twin Peaks" (ABC, 1990-1991)
First season: Loved it. Second season: Hated it, but still
watched every episode, and lied about it to concerned friends.
What happened? David Lynch's surreal creepfest gripped the country in its first season, but once we learned who killed Laura Palmer (dear old dad), it was as though the writers never bothered to think of another plot line. Season 2 was a mess of dancing dwarves, one-armed weirdos, black castles, owls, and some dude named BOB (not Bob) whose murderous self inhabited various hapless residents of Twin Peaks. By the time Heather Graham appeared as a winsome ex-nun (!), we'd lost track of whatever was happening, and ABC cut its losses.

Death by Baby
This phenomenon has claimed so many victims the World Health Organization should be on the case: "I Love Lucy," "Friends," "Mad About You," "Charmed," "Murphy Brown"... once those little bundles of joy appear, the dynamics that made mom and the other characters so intriguing just fall apart. (This was actually less true in "Friends," in which baby Emma was treated like Ross' son, Ben -- a randomly placed prop you might see periodically, like, say, Chandler and Joey's foosball table.) Once the blessed event comes, plot developments screech to a halt. Happy for you, moms, but what's in it for us?

"Star Trek" (NBC, 1966-1969; final spinoff, "Enterprise," ended in 2005)
The campy earnestness of the first series and its stellar cast drew even non sci-fi fans. The endless spinoffs, however, mystified and alienated millions, and each incarnation has been a weaker clone. Just boldly go, already.

"The West Wing" (NBC, 1999-present)
It's still an intelligent series, and the cast's chemistry is strong, but the loss of original writer Aaron Sorkin because of well-publicized drug struggles after the fourth season resulted in more predictable scripts and less character interplay. Add to that the loss of Rob Lowe and scaling back of the role of John Spencer, and it's feeling forced. Can Jimmy Smits take the series in a dynamic new direction? Let the voters decide.

"Peanuts" franchise
We never miss "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and its Vince Guaraldi soundtrack is a holiday staple, but each subsequent holiday special seems like a cheap attempt to ride that special's coattails. "It's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown"; not one but two Valentine's Day specials; and, I kid you not, "It's Arbor Day, Charlie Brown." Good grief.

"Law & Order" (NBC, 1990-present)
Still love those reruns on TNT and "Special Victims Unit,"
because of its stellar cast. But the original couldn't withstand
the enormous loss of Jerry Orbach, "Trial by Jury" died young,
and "Criminal Intent" is just too annoying with Vince D'Onofrio's
scenery chewing. Note to Dick Wolf: Keep "SVU," fold the
others, and put your brilliant brain to work on another concept.

Reality TV
Yes, it's easy to complain, but it's time to get serious about it. Haven't we already seen everyone in America humiliate him- or herself at least once? Basta. Keep "Survivor," "The Amazing Race" and maybe "American Idol" for one more season, and Hollywood, put your talented writers back to work.

"All in the Family" (CBS, 1971-1979; morphed into "Archie Bunker's Place," 1979-1983)
Yes, it was groundbreaking Norman Lear satire, and the cast dynamics and writing were first rate (to this day, in honor of Archie, I privately call the skullcaps of my devout Jewish friends "Yamahas"). But as the '70s wore on, politics, other TV shows and especially American movies became much edgier, passing the little Queens Bunker house by. Edith died, Mike and Gloria finally left daddy's orbit, and Archie was left with his bar and not much else. Those were the days.

"Lost" (ABC, 2004-present)
OK, I've been a huge fan -- it reminds me, so help me, of the first season of "Twin Peaks." But now we're getting that jerked-around feeling. Enough mysteries for the sake of mysteries (that stupid hatch; the coal-dust "monster" wisping around; the Frenchwoman whose accent suddenly goes all South Bronx for no reason) -- make something happen already. A TV critic friend has a theory that creator J.J. Abrams has a two-year curse: the first two seasons of "Felicity" were awesome, and then it petered out; the first two of "Alias" were as addictive as heroin, but recent side plots involving long-lost family members and convoluted allegiance changes have left most of us in the dust. Now "Lost," in just one season, is already showing signs of fraying. It's not too late to save it, but next season better have some real action.

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Dean Winchester · 07-14-2005, 06:00 AM

the writer seemed to take his opinion as fact. I know just as many people who say the Rebecca years of Cheers are best as those who say Diane was best.

I'm hardly a Trek fan but I haven't met very many Trekkies who DON'T consider The Next Generation superior to The Original Series. Since it says the first was the only relevant one. Voyager is well liked by my Trekkie friends too. It didn't "go downhill" until Enterprise, which was the fifth series. That's a nice run.

Same with I Love Lucy, most people wouldn't say it "lost it" when she gave birth, that was only in season 2 for crying out loud, but until they moved to Connecticut.

I agree with Law And Order (even though I consider SVU superior to the original series) and reality tv. And while the classic Peanuts specials still rule, who really needs "A Charlie Brown Christmas In July"?

Ant-Lox · 07-14-2005, 10:04 AM

I dont agree with the Star Trek thing, because deep space nine was totally different from TOS & TNG.....

I like L&O:SVU a lot, but the original L&O and the others dont interest me.....

benjamoon · 07-14-2005, 01:08 PM

I love the Rebecca years of "Cheers" and I think the show was just as funny in its last season as it was in its first

I would have definitely included these shows:
"Happy Days" (the post Richie years were a disaster)
"Bewitched" (the post Dick York years were awful)
"Will & Grace"
"Malcolm in the Middle"

"I Love Lucy" NEVER lived too long and "Murphy Brown" did, but it wasn't because of the birth, it was a couple years later

dlemond · 07-14-2005, 01:13 PM

Death by Baby
This phenomenon has claimed so many victims the World Health Organization should be on the case: "I Love Lucy,"
..............

Umm, last I checked Lucy had her baby in season 2- hardly the end of the show (6 seasons), and not even its peak.

This guy actually has a job spouting his opinion like any of us on this website, yet he gets paid?

He is amateurish in his reasoning at best.

PrettyinPink55 · 07-14-2005, 01:50 PM

Can we add 7th Heaven to the list please?

benjamoon · 07-14-2005, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyinPink55

Can we add 7th Heaven to the list please?

Oh yes good call... that show hasn't been good in over 5 years

Mr. Television · 07-14-2005, 04:19 PM

Give me a break. I enjoyed Cheers more when Rebecca was on it. The last season was still enjoyable. I think it could have gone on for a few more years. And I don't agree with Lost at all. That clifthanger was one of the best last season.

Dean Winchester · 07-14-2005, 04:38 PM

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And I don't agree with Lost at all. That clifthanger was one of the best last season.

yep, I think season 2 will be even better thanks to the cliffhanger.

btw, nice avatar, I love Simon And Simon

barwars · 07-14-2005, 05:41 PM

This guy doesn't even have his facts straight. Cheers came in 9th in its final season. But, although the final season is my favorite, I do agree that it is based on nostalgia. In that year everything slowly but surely came full circle.

As for The West Wing, this past season with Alan Alda and Jimmy Smits was one of the best I've seen of the entire series. I do agree that it is past its prime, but it seems to be on the rise.

How can a show about series past their expiration date NOT include Will & Grace?! I'm a fan, but even I acknowledge that it hasn't been any good since the 4th season. Although, just like with The West Wing, this past year saw a noticeable improvement in quality, and the list of guest stars seemed to slow down by the end of the season.

dawsongirl · 07-14-2005, 05:59 PM

Little Ricky was almost as MIA as Emma.

Mr. Television · 07-14-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

yep, I think season 2 will be even better thanks to the cliffhanger.

btw, nice avatar, I love Simon And Simon

I agree. I think the show will stay fresh for awhile. I heard they might be adding some new characters because we have only been spending time with a small group of the survivors. I can't wait until the premiere.

Thanks. Simon And Simon was one of the best Detective shows to come out of the 80's.

Dean Winchester · 07-14-2005, 10:10 PM

shows that IMO really did live past their expiration date, moreso than the shows on this guys list.

1. Happy Days - the latter seasons weren't as bad as some claim, but it stopped being "Happy Days" the moment Ron Howard left and I don't know how anyone can honestly disagree. If you combined the shows from 1974-1980 and 1980-1984 to two different shows, it would've worked out for the best. But Happy Days without Ron Howard works about as well as The Cosby Show without Bill Cosby.
2. Friends - if it ended about 3 or 4 years earlier, it would be a classic among classics. But the show became comfort food to such an extent that it was nothing but going through the motions by the end.
3. Murphy Brown - it was biting and witty during the first six or seven years, by the last year it was irrelevant and nobody cared
4. ER - should've wrapped for good when Noah Wyle became the last original to leave, he was supposed to be the Dennis Franz of the show. Goran Visjnic will never be George Clooney.
5. Malcolm In The Middle - lost it's novelty and edge a few years back
6. Married With Children - it was a groundbreaking show in the late 80's and early 90's. By the mid-late 90's, it had run it's course and it's laughable that the cast was shocked it didn't run a 12th season. IT WAS OVER AT LEAST FOUR YEARS EARLIER!!!
7. Diff'rent Strokes - it was all ruined when the focus of the show drifted away from Arnold and Willis to Sam and Maggie. They could've started anew when Sam was kidnapped, but no, they actually missed the annoying rugrat.
8. The Real World - after 13 years, is there anything groundbreaking left about this show? The first three years were interesting because nothing like it had been done, but by now it's by-the-numbers and cliche.
9. Survivor - can you name one Survivor? ok... someone who isn't Richard Hatch, Jenna or Ethan? POINT PROVEN.
10. 7th Heaven - never liked it but 10 years is way too much. Even the little one is now in college. When that happens, it's run too long.

barwars · 07-14-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

shows that IMO really did live past their expiration date, moreso than the shows on this guys list.

1. Happy Days - the latter seasons weren't as bad as some claim, but it stopped being "Happy Days" the moment Ron Howard left and I don't know how anyone can honestly disagree. If you combined the shows from 1974-1980 and 1980-1984 to two different shows, it would've worked out for the best. But Happy Days without Ron Howard works about as well as The Cosby Show without Bill Cosby.
2. Friends - if it ended about 3 or 4 years earlier, it would be a classic among classics. But the show became comfort food to such an extent that it was nothing but going through the motions by the end.
3. Murphy Brown - it was biting and witty during the first six or seven years, by the last year it was irrelevant and nobody cared
4. ER - should've wrapped for good when Noah Wyle became the last original to leave, he was supposed to be the Dennis Franz of the show. Goran Visjnic will never be George Clooney.
5. Malcolm In The Middle - lost it's novelty and edge a few years back
6. Married With Children - it was a groundbreaking show in the late 80's and early 90's. By the mid-late 90's, it had run it's course and it's laughable that the cast was shocked it didn't run a 12th season. IT WAS OVER AT LEAST FOUR YEARS EARLIER!!!
7. Diff'rent Strokes - it was all ruined when the focus of the show drifted away from Arnold and Willis to Sam and Maggie. They could've started anew when Sam was kidnapped, but no, they actually missed the annoying rugrat.
8. The Real World - after 13 years, is there anything groundbreaking left about this show? The first three years were interesting because nothing like it had been done, but by now it's by-the-numbers and cliche.
9. Survivor - can you name one Survivor? ok... someone who isn't Richard Hatch, Jenna or Ethan? POINT PROVEN.
10. 7th Heaven - never liked it but 10 years is way too much. Even the little one is now in college. When that happens, it's run too long.

Not that I don't agree with your list, you're actually right on the mark with most of them.... but The Real World, IMO, didn't peak until "San Diego" which was two seasons ago. This season hasn't been too bad, but the last one sucked, and the last few before "San Diego" sucked as well. It's a very hit or miss show, but when it hits, it's great TV.

Magnum · 07-14-2005, 10:16 PM

I liked the early episodes of Cheers best, I hate rebecca she is not funny at all. There is no real conflict, no tension between her and Sam. Dianne had heat in her relationship. Plus, how long can Cliff and Norm carry a series. And I missed Coach. I liked his character. The best episodes are the first seasons.

I never saw Twin Peaks, so I can't comment. Ditto for Death by Baby.

I love Star Trek, I think the only mistake was the start of Enterprise. I did not like it. But I saw a few episodes from the last season, and it was much better. I think the first season of Enterprise killed it for most Star Trek fans. TNG was very good. And Voyager grew on me, I liked it in syndication. Maybe the best episode from all of Star Trek was on Voyager "A Year In Hell".

Reality TV sucks. I hate it. Even the stuff from the 80's was better, like Star Search. I hate the animosity on some of todays reality shows. It makes watching those shows unberable. Plus, I hate arrogant people.

I loved Archie Bunkers place. Maybe All in the Family went on for one year too many, or maybe the writing lost its edge, but I liked ABP. It was entertaining. It could have gone on a couple more years. What happened to the girl that lived with Archie? What happened to Archies jewish partnet, why did he leave early?

The other shows you listed I don't watch. I never got hooked on West Wing, I maybe saw 10 minutes of one episode and turned on something else. Same thing with Law and Order.

07-13-2005, 10:27 PM	#1
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,107	10 TV shows that lived past their expiration date (according to msn.com) "Cheers" (NBC, 1982-1993) Yes, the show was No. 1 its last season, but it was largely on the strength of its nostalgia factor. "Cheers" was never the same after Diane (Shelley Long) left in 1987. Though Diane herself wasn't the strongest character, she was the perfect foil. The barbs she exchanged with Sam (Ted Danson) created some of the crackliest sexual tension in TV history and her ongoing feud with Carla (Rhea Perlman) created great putdowns (Diane: "Oh no. The thing I feared most has happened." Carla: "What? Your Living Bra died of boredom?"). And Diane introduced the character of Frasier, who then brought in Lilith -- the wittiest, weirdest couple in prime time. Kirstie Alley couldn't bridge the character gap left by Diane; and frankly, wasn't everyone sick of dimwitted Woody after one season? "Twin Peaks" (ABC, 1990-1991) First season: Loved it. Second season: Hated it, but still watched every episode, and lied about it to concerned friends. What happened? David Lynch's surreal creepfest gripped the country in its first season, but once we learned who killed Laura Palmer (dear old dad), it was as though the writers never bothered to think of another plot line. Season 2 was a mess of dancing dwarves, one-armed weirdos, black castles, owls, and some dude named BOB (not Bob) whose murderous self inhabited various hapless residents of Twin Peaks. By the time Heather Graham appeared as a winsome ex-nun (!), we'd lost track of whatever was happening, and ABC cut its losses. Death by Baby This phenomenon has claimed so many victims the World Health Organization should be on the case: "I Love Lucy," "Friends," "Mad About You," "Charmed," "Murphy Brown"... once those little bundles of joy appear, the dynamics that made mom and the other characters so intriguing just fall apart. (This was actually less true in "Friends," in which baby Emma was treated like Ross' son, Ben -- a randomly placed prop you might see periodically, like, say, Chandler and Joey's foosball table.) Once the blessed event comes, plot developments screech to a halt. Happy for you, moms, but what's in it for us? "Star Trek" (NBC, 1966-1969; final spinoff, "Enterprise," ended in 2005) The campy earnestness of the first series and its stellar cast drew even non sci-fi fans. The endless spinoffs, however, mystified and alienated millions, and each incarnation has been a weaker clone. Just boldly go, already. "The West Wing" (NBC, 1999-present) It's still an intelligent series, and the cast's chemistry is strong, but the loss of original writer Aaron Sorkin because of well-publicized drug struggles after the fourth season resulted in more predictable scripts and less character interplay. Add to that the loss of Rob Lowe and scaling back of the role of John Spencer, and it's feeling forced. Can Jimmy Smits take the series in a dynamic new direction? Let the voters decide. "Peanuts" franchise We never miss "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and its Vince Guaraldi soundtrack is a holiday staple, but each subsequent holiday special seems like a cheap attempt to ride that special's coattails. "It's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown"; not one but two Valentine's Day specials; and, I kid you not, "It's Arbor Day, Charlie Brown." Good grief. "Law & Order" (NBC, 1990-present) Still love those reruns on TNT and "Special Victims Unit," because of its stellar cast. But the original couldn't withstand the enormous loss of Jerry Orbach, "Trial by Jury" died young, and "Criminal Intent" is just too annoying with Vince D'Onofrio's scenery chewing. Note to Dick Wolf: Keep "SVU," fold the others, and put your brilliant brain to work on another concept. Reality TV Yes, it's easy to complain, but it's time to get serious about it. Haven't we already seen everyone in America humiliate him- or herself at least once? Basta. Keep "Survivor," "The Amazing Race" and maybe "American Idol" for one more season, and Hollywood, put your talented writers back to work. "All in the Family" (CBS, 1971-1979; morphed into "Archie Bunker's Place," 1979-1983) Yes, it was groundbreaking Norman Lear satire, and the cast dynamics and writing were first rate (to this day, in honor of Archie, I privately call the skullcaps of my devout Jewish friends "Yamahas"). But as the '70s wore on, politics, other TV shows and especially American movies became much edgier, passing the little Queens Bunker house by. Edith died, Mike and Gloria finally left daddy's orbit, and Archie was left with his bar and not much else. Those were the days. "Lost" (ABC, 2004-present) OK, I've been a huge fan -- it reminds me, so help me, of the first season of "Twin Peaks." But now we're getting that jerked-around feeling. Enough mysteries for the sake of mysteries (that stupid hatch; the coal-dust "monster" wisping around; the Frenchwoman whose accent suddenly goes all South Bronx for no reason) -- make something happen already. A TV critic friend has a theory that creator J.J. Abrams has a two-year curse: the first two seasons of "Felicity" were awesome, and then it petered out; the first two of "Alias" were as addictive as heroin, but recent side plots involving long-lost family members and convoluted allegiance changes have left most of us in the dust. Now "Lost," in just one season, is already showing signs of fraying. It's not too late to save it, but next season better have some real action. http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/PastExpiration/One

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benjamoon Bewitched Senior Member Join Date: Jun 15, 2000 Location: New York Posts: 1,450	I love the Rebecca years of "Cheers" and I think the show was just as funny in its last season as it was in its first I would have definitely included these shows: "Happy Days" (the post Richie years were a disaster) "Bewitched" (the post Dick York years were awful) "Will & Grace" "Malcolm in the Middle" "I Love Lucy" NEVER lived too long and "Murphy Brown" did, but it wasn't because of the birth, it was a couple years later
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Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	Give me a break. I enjoyed Cheers more when Rebecca was on it. The last season was still enjoyable. I think it could have gone on for a few more years. And I don't agree with Lost at all. That clifthanger was one of the best last season.
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Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	the writer seemed to take his opinion as fact. I know just as many people who say the Rebecca years of Cheers are best as those who say Diane was best. I'm hardly a Trek fan but I haven't met very many Trekkies who DON'T consider The Next Generation superior to The Original Series. Since it says the first was the only relevant one. Voyager is well liked by my Trekkie friends too. It didn't "go downhill" until Enterprise, which was the fifth series. That's a nice run. Same with I Love Lucy, most people wouldn't say it "lost it" when she gave birth, that was only in season 2 for crying out loud, but until they moved to Connecticut. I agree with Law And Order (even though I consider SVU superior to the original series) and reality tv. And while the classic Peanuts specials still rule, who really needs "A Charlie Brown Christmas In July"?

07-14-2005, 01:13 PM	#5
dlemond Hey, I know you. Moderator Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 03, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,751	Death by Baby This phenomenon has claimed so many victims the World Health Organization should be on the case: "I Love Lucy," .............. Umm, last I checked Lucy had her baby in season 2- hardly the end of the show (6 seasons), and not even its peak. This guy actually has a job spouting his opinion like any of us on this website, yet he gets paid? He is amateurish in his reasoning at best.

07-14-2005, 05:41 PM	#10
barwars .. Forum Star Join Date: May 04, 2002 Posts: 13,273	This guy doesn't even have his facts straight. Cheers came in 9th in its final season. But, although the final season is my favorite, I do agree that it is based on nostalgia. In that year everything slowly but surely came full circle. As for The West Wing, this past season with Alan Alda and Jimmy Smits was one of the best I've seen of the entire series. I do agree that it is past its prime, but it seems to be on the rise. How can a show about series past their expiration date *NOT* include Will & Grace?! I'm a fan, but even I acknowledge that it hasn't been any good since the 4th season. Although, just like with The West Wing, this past year saw a noticeable improvement in quality, and the list of guest stars seemed to slow down by the end of the season.

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dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,134	Little Ricky was almost as MIA as Emma.

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Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	shows that IMO really did live past their expiration date, moreso than the shows on this guys list. 1. Happy Days - the latter seasons weren't as bad as some claim, but it stopped being "Happy Days" the moment Ron Howard left and I don't know how anyone can honestly disagree. If you combined the shows from 1974-1980 and 1980-1984 to two different shows, it would've worked out for the best. But Happy Days without Ron Howard works about as well as The Cosby Show without Bill Cosby. 2. Friends - if it ended about 3 or 4 years earlier, it would be a classic among classics. But the show became comfort food to such an extent that it was nothing but going through the motions by the end. 3. Murphy Brown - it was biting and witty during the first six or seven years, by the last year it was irrelevant and nobody cared 4. ER - should've wrapped for good when Noah Wyle became the last original to leave, he was supposed to be the Dennis Franz of the show. Goran Visjnic will never be George Clooney. 5. Malcolm In The Middle - lost it's novelty and edge a few years back 6. Married With Children - it was a groundbreaking show in the late 80's and early 90's. By the mid-late 90's, it had run it's course and it's laughable that the cast was shocked it didn't run a 12th season. IT WAS OVER AT LEAST FOUR YEARS EARLIER!!! 7. Diff'rent Strokes - it was all ruined when the focus of the show drifted away from Arnold and Willis to Sam and Maggie. They could've started anew when Sam was kidnapped, but no, they actually missed the annoying rugrat. 8. The Real World - after 13 years, is there anything groundbreaking left about this show? The first three years were interesting because nothing like it had been done, but by now it's by-the-numbers and cliche. 9. Survivor - can you name one Survivor? ok... someone who isn't Richard Hatch, Jenna or Ethan? POINT PROVEN. 10. 7th Heaven - never liked it but 10 years is way too much. Even the little one is now in college. When that happens, it's run too long.

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Magnum Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 23, 2005 Posts: 120	I liked the early episodes of Cheers best, I hate rebecca she is not funny at all. There is no real conflict, no tension between her and Sam. Dianne had heat in her relationship. Plus, how long can Cliff and Norm carry a series. And I missed Coach. I liked his character. The best episodes are the first seasons. I never saw Twin Peaks, so I can't comment. Ditto for Death by Baby. I love Star Trek, I think the only mistake was the start of Enterprise. I did not like it. But I saw a few episodes from the last season, and it was much better. I think the first season of Enterprise killed it for most Star Trek fans. TNG was very good. And Voyager grew on me, I liked it in syndication. Maybe the best episode from all of Star Trek was on Voyager "A Year In Hell". Reality TV sucks. I hate it. Even the stuff from the 80's was better, like Star Search. I hate the animosity on some of todays reality shows. It makes watching those shows unberable. Plus, I hate arrogant people. I loved Archie Bunkers place. Maybe All in the Family went on for one year too many, or maybe the writing lost its edge, but I liked ABP. It was entertaining. It could have gone on a couple more years. What happened to the girl that lived with Archie? What happened to Archies jewish partnet, why did he leave early? The other shows you listed I don't watch. I never got hooked on West Wing, I maybe saw 10 minutes of one episode and turned on something else. Same thing with Law and Order.