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TVFactFan · 06-30-2005, 04:45 PM

On the Sports Board, someone who just joined the site was lookng for a game from 1990 and I told him I had the game. So we set up a trade and I let him send first because he was the one who was new to the Trading Board and wanted smething from me. So I got the DVD today and I did not like the Quality so I told him he can send another copy because the one I received was not watchable. So he was shocked to find out I never mailed his game and thought we were sending at the same time. So he said I still owe him a game and wants me to send the DVD back along with the game he was supposed to get from me and then he will send anotherDVD. I'm nt sending nothing until I get a DVD that I can watch and enjoy and then I will mail his game. Am I in the wrong here? I only send at the same time after the first trade like I do with T-Greg from this board.

Lex Luthor · 06-30-2005, 05:06 PM

You are 100% in the right, I have had similar instances where the persons shipment never arrived (not sure if they actually shipped) but they agreed to only send the replacement set if I sent at the same time. If you get garbage or nothing on your first trade with someone you can not be expected to ship. You might still get garbage or nothing.

My 2 cents

Jay

T-Greg · 06-30-2005, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector

On the Sports Board, someone who just joined the site was lookng for a game from 1990 and I told him I had the game. So we set up a trade and I let him send first because he was the one who was new to the Trading Board and wanted smething from me. So I got the DVD today and I did not like the Quality so I told him he can send another copy because the one I received was not watchable. So he was shocked to find out I never mailed his game and thought we were sending at the same time. So he said I still owe him a game and wants me to send the DVD back along with the game he was supposed to get from me and then he will send anotherDVD. I'm nt sending nothing until I get a DVD that I can watch and enjoy and then I will mail his game. Am I in the wrong here? I only send at the same time after the first trade like I do with T-Greg from this board.

Soloman...don't drag me into your disputes!!...LOL...seriously, if nothing is asked about quality upfront, you have to assume it's at least watchable. As far as him sending first, since the guy is new, maybe he doesn't know the rule of thumb for newbies (him sending first), so I guess that should be made clear. I would not send his back with the DVD you owe to him. I would insist that he send another, and only then, if the quality is watchable, would I send his out.

TVFactFan · 06-30-2005, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Greg

Soloman...don't drag me into your disputes!!...LOL...seriously, if nothing is asked about quality upfront, you have to assume it's at least watchable. As far as him sending first, since the guy is new, maybe he doesn't know the rule of thumb for newbies (him sending first), so I guess that should be made clear. I would not send his back with the DVD you owe to him. I would insist that he send another, and only then, if the quality is watchable, would I send his out.

Exactly, Why would I send him the game with the defective DVD-lol And then have to wait for a replacement DVD and that one may not be watchable either.

T-Greg · 06-30-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RetroTVCollector

Exactly, Why would I send him the game with the defective DVD-lol And then have to wait for a replacement DVD and that one may not be watchable either.

...or he may just keep yours and he's never to be heard from again.

TVFactFan · 07-01-2005, 09:09 AM

[QUOTE=RareTVonDVD]This case is dicey because it seems you never specified the quality of the video you were looking for.

In my HAVE/WANT list, I always tack on the paragraph up front:

"Looking for DVD only -- no VCDs, no divx downloads, please.
High quality only, please. Essentially everything I
have is high quality (now DVD'd at 2-hour speed during
broadcast or, before 2002, almost all taped on VCR during
broadcast at VHS 2-hour speed and transferred to DVD at
2-hour DVD recorder speed) and that's what I'd like in
return."

The problem here is that one person's definition of "watchable" may be very different from another person's definition. Some time ago on another forum Jen, Agent13, remarked that she had a set of Tales of the Gold Monkey that seemed to have been recorded at the 6-hour DVD recorder speed from multi-generation VHS copies, and she said they "looked okay if you stood far enough back from the TV."

I responded that they probably looked even better if you put on sunglasses and watched the TV from another room, and that this kind of video quality is not what I would consider acceptable and not what most people would consider acceptable in a trade. Naturally Jen (Agent13) complained to the forum owner about my reply and I got a lot of criticism for daring to suggest that a 6-hour SLP DVD recorder speed disc made from multi-generation VHS copies was less that sterling quality. I think this points up the surprising fact that some people genuinely enjoy watching blurry wavering pixelated washed out wobbly multi-gen VHS copies of TV shows recorded at the 6-hour DVD recorder speed, and have no idea what you're talking about when you tell them it's unwatchable.

Unfortunately this remains a matter of personal opinion. There's no objective way to say "this DVD is watchable" or "this DVD is unwatchable" because it depends entirely on what the person is willing to tolerate. An awful lot of people have a high tolerance for video that I personally consider unwatchably and unacceptably and untradably bad.

The solution is communication. Make sure you specify exactly what kind of video quality you're looking for upfront, before the trade. Instead of a numerical rating system or a vague rating like "good" or "poor," be specific -- say something like "this DVD was recorded a the 2 hour speed from a VHS master taped during broadcast at SP." When people tell me that, I know what quality I'm getting, whereas "fair quality" could have a lot of different interpretations.

Screen shots help a lot in cases like these. I've found that sending the other person screen shots from my DVDs goes a long way toward resolving quality issues, but YMMV.[/QUOT

The Game was unwatchable because I could no longer see the players or score. I could only hear it.

Agent 13 · 07-01-2005, 11:19 AM

[QUOTE=RetroTVCollector]

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Originally Posted by RareTVonDVD

Naturally Jen (Agent13) complained to the forum owner about my reply and I got a lot of criticism for daring to suggest that a 6-hour SLP DVD recorder speed disc made from multi-generation VHS copies was less that sterling quality.

For the record, you're mixing up the facts.

I didn't complain to the owner about WHAT you said. It was there for all to see. The owner told us that you were banned from CPS for bullying countless members.

06-30-2005, 04:45 PM	#1
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,113	Someone let me know if I'm in the wrong On the Sports Board, someone who just joined the site was lookng for a game from 1990 and I told him I had the game. So we set up a trade and I let him send first because he was the one who was new to the Trading Board and wanted smething from me. So I got the DVD today and I did not like the Quality so I told him he can send another copy because the one I received was not watchable. So he was shocked to find out I never mailed his game and thought we were sending at the same time. So he said I still owe him a game and wants me to send the DVD back along with the game he was supposed to get from me and then he will send anotherDVD. I'm nt sending nothing until I get a DVD that I can watch and enjoy and then I will mail his game. Am I in the wrong here? I only send at the same time after the first trade like I do with T-Greg from this board.

06-30-2005, 05:06 PM	#2
Lex Luthor I'm bringing Lexy back Senior Member Join Date: Jun 07, 2005 Location: The Great White North Posts: 2,374	You are 100% in the right, I have had similar instances where the persons shipment never arrived (not sure if they actually shipped) but they agreed to only send the replacement set if I sent at the same time. If you get garbage or nothing on your first trade with someone you can not be expected to ship. You might still get garbage or nothing. My 2 cents Jay

07-01-2005, 09:09 AM	#6
TVFactFan Member Forum Junkie Join Date: Aug 17, 2002 Posts: 99,113	[QUOTE=RareTVonDVD]This case is dicey because it seems you never specified the quality of the video you were looking for. In my HAVE/WANT list, I always tack on the paragraph up front: "Looking for DVD only -- no VCDs, no divx downloads, please. High quality only, please. Essentially everything I have is high quality (now DVD'd at 2-hour speed during broadcast or, before 2002, almost all taped on VCR during broadcast at VHS 2-hour speed and transferred to DVD at 2-hour DVD recorder speed) and that's what I'd like in return." The problem here is that one person's definition of "watchable" may be very different from another person's definition. Some time ago on another forum Jen, Agent13, remarked that she had a set of Tales of the Gold Monkey that seemed to have been recorded at the 6-hour DVD recorder speed from multi-generation VHS copies, and she said they "looked okay if you stood far enough back from the TV." I responded that they probably looked even better if you put on sunglasses and watched the TV from another room, and that this kind of video quality is not what I would consider acceptable and not what most people would consider acceptable in a trade. Naturally Jen (Agent13) complained to the forum owner about my reply and I got a lot of criticism for daring to suggest that a 6-hour SLP DVD recorder speed disc made from multi-generation VHS copies was less that sterling quality. I think this points up the surprising fact that some people genuinely enjoy watching blurry wavering pixelated washed out wobbly multi-gen VHS copies of TV shows recorded at the 6-hour DVD recorder speed, and have no idea what you're talking about when you tell them it's unwatchable. Unfortunately this remains a matter of personal opinion. There's no objective way to say "this DVD is watchable" or "this DVD is unwatchable" because it depends entirely on what the person is willing to tolerate. An awful lot of people have a high tolerance for video that I personally consider unwatchably and unacceptably and untradably bad. The solution is communication. Make sure you specify exactly what kind of video quality you're looking for upfront, before the trade. Instead of a numerical rating system or a vague rating like "good" or "poor," be specific -- say something like "this DVD was recorded a the 2 hour speed from a VHS master taped during broadcast at SP." When people tell me that, I know what quality I'm getting, whereas "fair quality" could have a lot of different interpretations. Screen shots help a lot in cases like these. I've found that sending the other person screen shots from my DVDs goes a long way toward resolving quality issues, but YMMV.[/QUOT The Game was unwatchable because I could no longer see the players or score. I could only hear it.