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New AD fan · 05-16-2005, 09:23 PM

Not that I want to let NBC off easy, but maybe they are not the only ones to blame here.

Why do droves of people watch all of these low class, low quality "reality" shows and repetitive cop shows? These shows don't exactly cater to the highest common denominator. American Dreams, on the other hand, is a show for intelligent and enlightened people. Maybe AD is just a little too classy and enlightened for an American public that would much rather watch cops and robbers chasing each other on TV or bikini clad women eating worms on a "reality" show.

The fact of the matter is that the American people's appetites are very child like and it's not surprising then that the networks would seek to cater to that demographic.

Brent88 · 05-16-2005, 09:45 PM

NBC loved the show... they just couldn't keep it on because of low viewership and cost. Ultimately... TV is a business. If you don't make money, you have to make changes, simple as that.

Storywriter · 05-17-2005, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by New AD fan

Not that I want to let NBC off easy, but maybe they are not the only ones to blame here.

Why do droves of people watch all of these low class, low quality "reality" shows and repetitive cop shows? These shows don't exactly cater to the highest common denominator. American Dreams, on the other hand, is a show for intelligent and enlightened people. Maybe AD is just a little too classy and enlightened for an American public that would much rather watch cops and robbers chasing each other on TV or bikini clad women eating worms on a "reality" show.

The fact of the matter is that the American people's appetites are very child like and it's not surprising then that the networks would seek to cater to that demographic.

How about you watch you so called comment about us American People okay.I'm American and I wish Reality tv would die now and I do not like cops shows so don't start with blamming and bad mouthing us American People stop that crap before you are ahead because many of us here are American and maybe now all Americans but this American is offenede by your comment now if you excuse I will be leaving. Mel

ADrules · 05-17-2005, 12:18 AM

I agree with you Mel. I am sick of all this america bashing. If you hate america so damn much, go to france. Everyone bashes america untill they need something, and then who do they come to for help, america. I hate reality tv too, but pissing on america is immature and for people who cannot argue a point of view like an adult. Grow the hell up.

Storywriter · 05-17-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ADrules

I agree with you Mel. I am sick of all this america bashing. If you hate america so damn much, go to france. Everyone bashes america untill they need something, and then who do they come to for help, america. I hate reality tv too, but pissing on america is immature and for people who cannot argue a point of view like an adult. Grow the hell up.

Thank You.I'm glad somebody agrees with me.I'm sick of the America and americans bashing.It annoys me,offends me and makes me sick.Mel

BeatElBando · 05-17-2005, 06:02 PM

You are reading FAR.....FAR.... too much into the point the poster was getting at ! He/she was NOT bashing AMERICANS [ I AM ONE ] . They were simply stating a valid point ! The point being.....is that the "viewership" .......in AMERICAN television right now..... is simply avoiding great "content "shows like American Dreams in droves ! ALL the while, falling all over themselves to watch such "crap " , as "Survivor " ........."American Idol " .........." Desperate Houswives"................."Fear Factor "................ect ! Why is this happening ?
Is it because of a "Dumbing Down " of the American People ? Maybe, to a small degree . I think that the "Taste factor " of the American People [as a whole], has dropped dramatically in the last 10 years ! Both in musical tastes, and in the television shows they watch . Sorry .......it's the truth !

BEATLESCHICK · 05-17-2005, 07:09 PM

The poster wasn't bashing Americans as a people. I happen to agree with the poster, and I, too, am an American.

How is it that politics have entered this discussion? This "If you hate America, go to France" does not belong on this board. Go to Free Republic to spout that nonsense. N'est-ce pas?

ADrules · 05-17-2005, 07:19 PM

I repeat, "love it or leave it." I dont consider sticking up for america nonsense. I feel sorry for anyone who wont stick up for america ,in any forum, be it a sitcom forum or anywhere else.

BeatElBando · 05-17-2005, 07:23 PM

Since we BOTH seem to be great lovers of "The Beatles ".............Go checkout a great Beatles Tribute band i recommend highly ! www.liverpoollegends.com
They are being managed by George Harrison's own sister [Louise] ! Listen to their audio samples !

BeatElBando · 05-17-2005, 07:26 PM

Hey AD RULES ? Are you a leftover from the 70's with that "America.......Love it or leave it crap" ? Get real brotha ! One can STILL love America..........AND...........acknowledge it's shortcommings at the same time ! That.............My friend............Is what makes AMERICAN'S..............So GREAT ! gET Wit Da Program !

ADrules · 05-17-2005, 08:00 PM

No I am not from the seventies, although todays music is so bad, I wish I was (just missed it by a year.) Second, while we do have the freedom to criticize america, I find it disrespectfull to do so, especially during a time of war. There are enough anti american losers from other countries out there, I dont think americans need to add to it. Its kind of like, its ok to criticize your family, but not when someone else does it. The problem is, like I said, since we have the french doing that crap, lets not add to it. Getting back to the topic at hand, its not just america, but everyone seems to be obsessed with reality tv. What makes america great is the fact we can criticize it, what makes AMERICANS not great is when they take advantage of those rights and use them against america. If you want to complain about america, go ahead, but I feel it is not right, especially not now. Ill assume you will respond. And again I repeat, sticking up for america is not crap, Im sorry you feel otherwise brotha!

New AD fan · 05-17-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ADrules

No I am not from the seventies, although todays music is so bad, I wish I was (just missed it by a year.) Second, while we do have the freedom to criticize america, I find it disrespectfull to do so, especially during a time of war. There are enough anti american losers from other countries out there, I dont think americans need to add to it. Its kind of like, its ok to criticize your family, but not when someone else does it. The problem is, like I said, since we have the french doing that crap, lets not add to it. Getting back to the topic at hand, its not just america, but everyone seems to be obsessed with reality tv. What makes america great is the fact we can criticize it, what makes AMERICANS not great is when they take advantage of those rights and use them against america. If you want to complain about america, go ahead, but I feel it is not right, especially not now. Ill assume you will respond. And again I repeat, sticking up for america is not crap, Im sorry you feel otherwise brotha!

If that is your attitude then you really didn't learn a damn thing from the show, did you? I guess you didn't like Meg, Sam, Nathan, Henry, Patty and Helen because they did all of those things on the show. Oh well, now the show is gone, and you'll have time to go look for those weapons of mass destruction.

ADrules · 05-17-2005, 08:56 PM

I suggest you stick to what you know best, criticizing america. Its too bad people like you dont have more people to agree with you, maybe you would win some elections. But sad for you, the majority agrees with me. Now, I think AD was the best show on tv, eventhough I dissagreed with some of the anti war messages it sent, it was overall a very captivating show. I have always enjoyed shows like AD and the wonder years, shows that look back at the past. As far as the shows characters go, I believe JJ and Jack, along with numerous others, would likely agree with me. I seem to recall jack saying love it or leave it to meg once or twice, and jack, and jj and others agreed with me on issues as meg and sam agreed with you on issues. Perhaps you and I got different messages from the show. Your heard what you wanted to hear and I did the same. I suspect that is natural, but make no mistake about it, you too may have missed some messages, or chose to ignore them. Such as when the troops are fighting oversees, how important it is to be supportive, and not critical, even if it is in the name of "bringing them home safely," they still need positive reinforcement. As far as television/movies go in general, if I only watched shows with conservative writers, I would never get to enjoy tv or movies, or music for that matter. You as a more liberal viewer have the advantage of having hollywood agreeing with you, and so the shows tend to skew left. And me, well I guess I'll just have to put up with hollywood being liberal and have to settle for a majority of americans aggreeing with me. Its just a shame we dont have our own hollywood. Oh, and that WMD jab was mature, wow. Perhaps you should email the UN who thought old saddam had them too, maybe they too will laugh at your clever sense of humor. Im guessing you have a selective memory on issues such as the UN also feeling he had wmd's. Have a good one friends. I enjoy the back and forth with my left leaning counterparts. Even though they are like a broken record of blame america first'isms (most of them, I should not throw the baby out with the bathwater). good day. RIP to jack and JJ, and, well, even the progressive Meg and helen. I should mention I too am progressive when it comes to race and some, very few, issues (as are most people progressive when it comes to race), its just this anti american stuff kinda pisses me off. I use the phrase PROGRESSIVE because I know liberals hate being called liberal. how would you end this post, im guessing you would say PEACE.

rusyd · 05-17-2005, 09:07 PM

I agree w New AD Fan. What they said wasn't anti-American, just anti -stupid people who happen to live in America. I am an American and I do believe the there is becoming a dumbing down of America. It's sad but true. The show is over. Let it go.

ADrules · 05-17-2005, 09:10 PM

I am willing to say we should agree to disagree. And I might add I was not the one who brought this issue up.

05-16-2005, 09:23 PM	#1
New AD fan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Mar 03, 2005 Posts: 79	Maybe we should be blaming the American people too Not that I want to let NBC off easy, but maybe they are not the only ones to blame here. Why do droves of people watch all of these low class, low quality "reality" shows and repetitive cop shows? These shows don't exactly cater to the highest common denominator. American Dreams, on the other hand, is a show for intelligent and enlightened people. Maybe AD is just a little too classy and enlightened for an American public that would much rather watch cops and robbers chasing each other on TV or bikini clad women eating worms on a "reality" show. The fact of the matter is that the American people's appetites are very child like and it's not surprising then that the networks would seek to cater to that demographic.

05-16-2005, 09:45 PM	#2
Brent88 Member Forum Star Join Date: Aug 01, 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,174	NBC loved the show... they just couldn't keep it on because of low viewership and cost. Ultimately... TV is a business. If you don't make money, you have to make changes, simple as that.
	__________________ Brent

05-17-2005, 06:02 PM	#6
BeatElBando Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 10	Take a chill pill you 2 ! You are reading FAR.....FAR.... too much into the point the poster was getting at ! He/she was NOT bashing AMERICANS [ I AM ONE ] . They were simply stating a valid point ! The point being.....is that the "viewership" .......in AMERICAN television right now..... is simply avoiding great "content "shows like American Dreams in droves ! ALL the while, falling all over themselves to watch such "crap " , as "Survivor " ........."American Idol " .........." Desperate Houswives"................."Fear Factor "................ect ! Why is this happening ? Is it because of a "Dumbing Down " of the American People ? Maybe, to a small degree . I think that the "Taste factor " of the American People [as a whole], has dropped dramatically in the last 10 years ! Both in musical tastes, and in the television shows they watch . Sorry .......it's the truth !

05-17-2005, 07:09 PM	#7
BEATLESCHICK Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 10, 2005 Location: VA Posts: 65	Right on, BeatelBrando. The poster wasn't bashing Americans as a people. I happen to agree with the poster, and I, too, am an American. How is it that politics have entered this discussion? This "If you hate America, go to France" does not belong on this board. Go to Free Republic to spout that nonsense. N'est-ce pas?
	__________________ And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make. John Lennon and Paul McCartney 1969

05-17-2005, 07:23 PM	#9
BeatElBando Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 10	Hey......Beatleschick ??? Since we BOTH seem to be great lovers of "The Beatles ".............Go checkout a great Beatles Tribute band i recommend highly ! www.liverpoollegends.com They are being managed by George Harrison's own sister [Louise] ! Listen to their audio samples !

05-17-2005, 12:18 AM	#4
ADrules Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 23, 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 16	I agree with you Mel. I am sick of all this america bashing. If you hate america so damn much, go to france. Everyone bashes america untill they need something, and then who do they come to for help, america. I hate reality tv too, but pissing on america is immature and for people who cannot argue a point of view like an adult. Grow the hell up.

05-17-2005, 07:19 PM	#8
ADrules Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 23, 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 16	I repeat, "love it or leave it." I dont consider sticking up for america nonsense. I feel sorry for anyone who wont stick up for america ,in any forum, be it a sitcom forum or anywhere else.

05-17-2005, 07:26 PM	#10
BeatElBando Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 07, 2005 Posts: 10	AD Rules ??? Hey AD RULES ? Are you a leftover from the 70's with that "America.......Love it or leave it crap" ? Get real brotha ! One can STILL love America..........AND...........acknowledge it's shortcommings at the same time ! That.............My friend............Is what makes AMERICAN'S..............So GREAT ! gET Wit Da Program !

05-17-2005, 08:00 PM	#11
ADrules Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 23, 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 16	No I am not from the seventies, although todays music is so bad, I wish I was (just missed it by a year.) Second, while we do have the freedom to criticize america, I find it disrespectfull to do so, especially during a time of war. There are enough anti american losers from other countries out there, I dont think americans need to add to it. Its kind of like, its ok to criticize your family, but not when someone else does it. The problem is, like I said, since we have the french doing that crap, lets not add to it. Getting back to the topic at hand, its not just america, but everyone seems to be obsessed with reality tv. What makes america great is the fact we can criticize it, what makes AMERICANS not great is when they take advantage of those rights and use them against america. If you want to complain about america, go ahead, but I feel it is not right, especially not now. Ill assume you will respond. And again I repeat, sticking up for america is not crap, Im sorry you feel otherwise brotha!

05-17-2005, 08:56 PM	#13
ADrules Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 23, 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 16	I suggest you stick to what you know best, criticizing america. Its too bad people like you dont have more people to agree with you, maybe you would win some elections. But sad for you, the majority agrees with me. Now, I think AD was the best show on tv, eventhough I dissagreed with some of the anti war messages it sent, it was overall a very captivating show. I have always enjoyed shows like AD and the wonder years, shows that look back at the past. As far as the shows characters go, I believe JJ and Jack, along with numerous others, would likely agree with me. I seem to recall jack saying love it or leave it to meg once or twice, and jack, and jj and others agreed with me on issues as meg and sam agreed with you on issues. Perhaps you and I got different messages from the show. Your heard what you wanted to hear and I did the same. I suspect that is natural, but make no mistake about it, you too may have missed some messages, or chose to ignore them. Such as when the troops are fighting oversees, how important it is to be supportive, and not critical, even if it is in the name of "bringing them home safely," they still need positive reinforcement. As far as television/movies go in general, if I only watched shows with conservative writers, I would never get to enjoy tv or movies, or music for that matter. You as a more liberal viewer have the advantage of having hollywood agreeing with you, and so the shows tend to skew left. And me, well I guess I'll just have to put up with hollywood being liberal and have to settle for a majority of americans aggreeing with me. Its just a shame we dont have our own hollywood. Oh, and that WMD jab was mature, wow. Perhaps you should email the UN who thought old saddam had them too, maybe they too will laugh at your clever sense of humor. Im guessing you have a selective memory on issues such as the UN also feeling he had wmd's. Have a good one friends. I enjoy the back and forth with my left leaning counterparts. Even though they are like a broken record of blame america first'isms (most of them, I should not throw the baby out with the bathwater). good day. RIP to jack and JJ, and, well, even the progressive Meg and helen. I should mention I too am progressive when it comes to race and some, very few, issues (as are most people progressive when it comes to race), its just this anti american stuff kinda pisses me off. I use the phrase PROGRESSIVE because I know liberals hate being called liberal. how would you end this post, im guessing you would say PEACE.

05-17-2005, 09:07 PM	#14
rusyd Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 13,505	I agree w New AD Fan. What they said wasn't anti-American, just anti -stupid people who happen to live in America. I am an American and I do believe the there is becoming a dumbing down of America. It's sad but true. The show is over. Let it go.

05-17-2005, 09:10 PM	#15
ADrules Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Nov 23, 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 16	I am willing to say we should agree to disagree. And I might add I was not the one who brought this issue up.