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Kane · 04-27-2005, 08:42 PM

I seem to recall some mention made on this board about the case of unidentified Grateful Dead fan. UM briefly profiled the case as part of the "Special Bulletin" segment (either during the 1995-96 season or the 1996-97 season)

The young man hitched a ride in a van that was ultimately involved in the car accident. He and the driver were both killed in the accident. The John Doe had no identification on him, but he some items with him, including two Grateful Dead ticket stubs and a note. The accident happened in Virginia, on June 26, 1995.

I came upon a Doe Network profile, which I imagine is the same case that UM aired.

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/127umva.html

CrushedVelvet · 04-27-2005, 11:51 PM

I am intrigued with this case. It drives me crazy b/c he had a slip of paper with name and number on it from NY and it was disconnected or something but cops cant trace it to anyone. Kinda seems not much effort was made to idenify him. I would love to see this case solved. This guy had to have meant something to someone out there???

Zero · 04-28-2005, 01:19 AM

Those reconstructions and composites are scary!

By the way, didn't the note scribbled on the napkin have his name on it? I remember it said something like "______, sorry we had to go." Then it had a number and was signed "Caroline and Caroline".

JASON. Wasn't that his name?

Ninjaman · 04-28-2005, 07:54 AM

I was the one who mentioned this case awhile ago. I think TJ said something on this board about someone who contacted him with possible information about the case. I also find it odd that no one would have identified him yet. Let's hope someone recognizes him.

Kane · 04-28-2005, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjaman

I was the one who mentioned this case awhile ago. I think TJ said something on this board about someone who contacted him with possible information about the case. I also find it odd that no one would have identified him yet. Let's hope someone recognizes him.

I feel that same as you do. It's odd that he remains unidentified. You know, it's kind of ironic that a case like this with many clues go unsolved, while some cases with much fewer clues were eventually solved.

But I'm optimistic that he will one day be identified. I honestly believe that this case is solvable. There are just too many clues in this case for it to go unsolved forever.

The Barbs · 04-29-2005, 10:01 AM

While I was on the Doe network awhile back, I came across Jack Jason Simmons. Case # 1043DMUT. I thought that he could of been the unidentified male. They have alot of similar features and not to mention the name "Jason". But I'm guessing they already looked into that and it's not him.

Zero · 04-29-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Barbs

They have alot of similar features and not to mention the name "Jason". But I'm guessing they already looked into that and it's not him.

This may be a dumb question but how do you figure that?

The Barbs · 04-29-2005, 02:58 PM

Well, first off Zero, I said I was guessing that they already checked it out because the people who work for The Doe network and law enforcements who help them, that's their job. To check out possible matches between unidentified victims with missing people. Again, just a guess.

Zero · 04-29-2005, 10:58 PM

I understand what your saying barbs. Just wanted a little insight on your thoughts. I looked at both profiles right now and they're interesting to say the least. There is still that small possiblity, what with the hundreds of cases the doe networks have on their hands, that they haven't been able to compare the two cases.

njf520 · 05-02-2005, 01:21 PM

one problem is that the height difference is about 5 inches between the two people.

njf

Awsi Dooger · 05-02-2005, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by njf520

one problem is that the height difference is about 5 inches between the two people.

njf

Correct, I noticed that last week. I think that's the disqualifier. There is also an apparent age difference, but age is a subjective estimate and could easily err by the number of years, maybe 8-9 max, in this case. However, the boy who died was 5-6. That is taken from the body at autopsy and will be exact. The missing person was listed at 5-11. A missing person's report will be submitted by the family and no chance it will flub the height by 5 inches. Still, that's an interesting endeavor, comparing two cases to see if they match, in effect solving two in one.

crystaldawn · 09-22-2006, 04:20 PM

Well I know Awsi will be proud of me bumping up this thread from May of last year.

I was looking at some other missing websites with speculations on who he may be and this is the pictures that has by far resembled the composite the most. I didn't really look at the other stats that much I was just suprised by the similarities of the face. See what you guys think:

The composite of "John Doe":
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/missing_c...d-06301995.htm

A Doe Network profile that IMO resembles the composite:
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1521dmmd.html

Awsi Dooger · 09-24-2006, 09:51 PM

This case reminds me a little bit of the couple left behind on a diving trip in Australia. A simple case of not calling roll. The authorities should have gone to the next Grateful Dead concert to see who wasn't there.

Crystaldawn, your candidate is too normal. From the looks of him I'd check a NASCAR event, likely passed out.

With our guy you wonder how the distinctive facial features, wild red hair, and possible name of Jason weren't enough. You'd like to think if it made it to UM that indicates plenty of previous emphasis, but in this case somehow I doubt it.

Bump some 2003s or 2002s and we'll pay attention. No doubt I already took care of most bumpworthy.

crystaldawn · 09-24-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Awsi Dooger

Bump some 2003s or 2002s and we'll pay attention. No doubt I already took care of most bumpworthy.

Yes but unlike you I bump them up for good reasons.....

Awsi Dooger · 09-25-2006, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Yes but unlike you I bump them up for good reasons.....

I have exquisite reasoning to bump them. For example, we had a creative critique of Keely Shaye Smith's new physique thanks to me.

BTW, lousy handicapping by the person who bumped the thread titled, "Airing at 12 PM Effective May 24." No one is going to be fooled by that in late September. Well, almost no one. Far more diabolical would have been to search for an old thread called, "Episodes resume in October," or something like that, and bump it.

Naturally I thought of that weeks ago, but somehow I refrained.

04-27-2005, 08:42 PM	#1
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	Unidentified deceased Grateful Dead fan I seem to recall some mention made on this board about the case of unidentified Grateful Dead fan. UM briefly profiled the case as part of the "Special Bulletin" segment (either during the 1995-96 season or the 1996-97 season) The young man hitched a ride in a van that was ultimately involved in the car accident. He and the driver were both killed in the accident. The John Doe had no identification on him, but he some items with him, including two Grateful Dead ticket stubs and a note. The accident happened in Virginia, on June 26, 1995. I came upon a Doe Network profile, which I imagine is the same case that UM aired. http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/127umva.html

04-27-2005, 11:51 PM	#2
CrushedVelvet Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 25, 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 331	I am intrigued with this case. It drives me crazy b/c he had a slip of paper with name and number on it from NY and it was disconnected or something but cops cant trace it to anyone. Kinda seems not much effort was made to idenify him. I would love to see this case solved. This guy had to have meant something to someone out there???
	__________________ CrushedVelvet

04-28-2005, 01:19 AM	#3
Zero Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 495	Those reconstructions and composites are scary! By the way, didn't the note scribbled on the napkin have his name on it? I remember it said something like "______, sorry we had to go." Then it had a number and was signed "Caroline and Caroline". JASON. Wasn't that his name?
	__________________ "Are we ourselves, and do we really know?"

04-28-2005, 07:54 AM	#4
Ninjaman Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 15, 2003 Location: remote island in pacific Posts: 103	I was the one who mentioned this case awhile ago. I think TJ said something on this board about someone who contacted him with possible information about the case. I also find it odd that no one would have identified him yet. Let's hope someone recognizes him.

04-29-2005, 10:01 AM	#6
The Barbs Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 62	While I was on the Doe network awhile back, I came across Jack Jason Simmons. Case # 1043DMUT. I thought that he could of been the unidentified male. They have alot of similar features and not to mention the name "Jason". But I'm guessing they already looked into that and it's not him.

04-29-2005, 02:58 PM	#8
The Barbs Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 62	Well, first off Zero, I said I was guessing that they already checked it out because the people who work for The Doe network and law enforcements who help them, that's their job. To check out possible matches between unidentified victims with missing people. Again, just a guess.

04-29-2005, 10:58 PM	#9
Zero Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 495	I understand what your saying barbs. Just wanted a little insight on your thoughts. I looked at both profiles right now and they're interesting to say the least. There is still that small possiblity, what with the hundreds of cases the doe networks have on their hands, that they haven't been able to compare the two cases.

05-02-2005, 01:21 PM	#10
njf520 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 29, 2003 Posts: 136	one problem is that the height difference is about 5 inches between the two people. njf

09-22-2006, 04:20 PM	#12
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Well I know Awsi will be proud of me bumping up this thread from May of last year. I was looking at some other missing websites with speculations on who he may be and this is the pictures that has by far resembled the composite the most. I didn't really look at the other stats that much I was just suprised by the similarities of the face. See what you guys think: The composite of "John Doe": http://www.vsp.state.va.us/missing_c...d-06301995.htm A Doe Network profile that IMO resembles the composite: http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1521dmmd.html

09-24-2006, 09:51 PM	#13
Awsi Dooger Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 18, 2003 Location: Miami Posts: 1,537	This case reminds me a little bit of the couple left behind on a diving trip in Australia. A simple case of not calling roll. The authorities should have gone to the next Grateful Dead concert to see who wasn't there. Crystaldawn, your candidate is too normal. From the looks of him I'd check a NASCAR event, likely passed out. With our guy you wonder how the distinctive facial features, wild red hair, and possible name of Jason weren't enough. You'd like to think if it made it to UM that indicates plenty of previous emphasis, but in this case somehow I doubt it. Bump some 2003s or 2002s and we'll pay attention. No doubt I already took care of most bumpworthy.