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mercy1825 · 03-26-2005, 03:04 PM

My vote for who will never be caught is Donald Eugene Webb and Victor Manuel Gerena. Webb brutally beat to death the cop who chased him after he committed a jewelery store robbery in the early eighties somewhere in Pennsylvania. Being that it happened in, I believe 1983, he has been on the FBI's ten most wanted list for a very long time. He is probably dead. Also, Gerena is the one responsible for the armored car robbery in which very much money was stolen and he injected his coworkers (He was an employee at the time) with an unknown substance, it had no effect. He has also been on the FBI's ten most wanted list. He is believed to have ties to hardline rebels in Puerts Rico who want independence from the U.S.A.

My vote for who I am surprised has not been caught is Blockledge. I believe his first name is Richard and he killed his girlfriend/wife, Tanya Koprick. He was an upset pharmacy student, and was dismissed from the university due to poor grades. This happened I believe in the late 80's. I am just surprised they have not caught this maniac.

Please post your thoughts as I think this will be an interesting topic??!!

DarkDante · 03-26-2005, 03:58 PM

has always struck me as very much the intellectual - the kind that can use his creative ways and superior intellect to evade authorities for as long as he wants to.

I believe one fugitive and one possible fugitive that might never be found are first fugitive William Bradford Bishop who murdered his entire family in the late 70s - Bishop was already in his mid 50s then and by now would be basically an aging senior citizen if not already dead. If he is still on the run it's basically a lock that his knowledge of the international scene as described in the segment is helping him elude capture. Another possible fugitive is Dale Kirkstetter who was accused of aiding a raid on platinum plant he worked at - it is possible that Dale was not involved at all and was murdered by the robbers but many here feel he was a willing participant. Either way he would be another one possibly in his 80s by now if indeed he went on the lam.

I'd like to add to this one person I was surprised to see captured is Jesse James Hollywood - I thought his dad with all his mafia connections would have kept his son hidden much longer then he did although I always believed he would be eventually flushed out. Also one capture I wished never would have happened was the case of Margo Freshwater - I have signed the "Free Margo" petition and hope that she is granted clemency as I don't believe her to be a criminal just someone who was caught up in the web of a madman's trail of murder.

Later.

mercy1825 · 03-26-2005, 04:40 PM

What makes Bocklidge an intellectual?? The fact that he failed out of pharmacy school? Intellectuals are more oriented with philosophy, psychology and areas that require heavy reading and writing. Pharmacy requires a lot of studying, but it is more suited to the common overachiever. Bocklidge was simply not capable of succeeding and was more of a sociopath, in that he blamed everybody else for his shortcomings as a student. Remember how he went looking to murder the dean and the board that voted to keep him out? People who believe that the whole world is out to get them, see everyone and everything as a means to achieve something. This guy was a sociopath scumbag. Ted Bundy was highly intelligent and he was caught. Many highly intelligent criminals are apprehended. My theory is that he is hiding out in Northern Canada in a sparsely populated region.

U.M. Fanatic · 03-26-2005, 06:53 PM

Two words - Mike Riemer.

Did he kill his girlfriend, Diana Robertson, like I believe, or was he a victim of an unknown serial killer? Either way, there is still a fugitive at large that has killed at least three people, Diana and the two other campers who were killed a few months earlier. Both Diana and the female camper both had tube socks wrapped around their necks.

DarkDante · 03-26-2005, 08:32 PM

I actually do hope he gets caught for the hidious crime he committed however true intellect can not be measured in my opinion by how one does in school. I believe that Richard Bocklidge in many ways is a very intelligent individual and unfortunatley has not put his intelligence to good ends. I think he is another case of someone who was at one point extremely ambitious and perhaps might be an overachiever. The problem is that is cases with some people due to whatever demons they have not gotten rid of over the course of their life (and I would not be surprised if there are a ton of skeletons in Bocklidge's closet) that something can trigger them into a form of psychosis where all that ambition and energy is focussed onto something sinister than on more positive endevors. I think when Bocklidge was denied re-admission to the college I believe it sent his rapidly deteriorating mind over the edge and resulted in the horrid crime we have on our hands now.

One of the final symptoms of people such as Bocklidge is as you stated "the whole world is out to get them" another common statement from these people is "that the devil has consumed their soul". They begin to live their life in a constant state of fear and panic and one of two things usually happens - if turned inward usually a nervous breakdown and if outward an extreme act of violence as in this case. However if Bocklidge has been able to at least bury some of his demons since the time of the murder it is my OPINION that he is using all his intellect and focussing all his energy that at one point must have been focussed on more positive endevors on evading police - I don't think Dick Bocklidge will ever be caught personally but hope for society that he is because unless he has recieved treatment there is nothing stopping him from having another violent episode triggered by a benign event again.

themaninblack · 03-27-2005, 03:31 PM

the fugitives who will never be caught in my opinion are the person or persons responsible for the murder of the Morgan guy, Charles i believe.
government people are too heavily involved and are covering up the case.

dynoguy88 · 03-27-2005, 11:49 PM

I agree, the killers of Charles Morgan are going to be very difficult to catch. It's been 27 years since he was killed and the police STILL don't have a suspect.

DarkDante · 03-28-2005, 01:33 AM

were both professional hits or had the looks of a professional hit. Therefore finding the hitman might be small potatoes compared to finding who ordered the hit - Most of us can make a pretty good guess about who or what is behind a lot of these "mysterious deaths" I mean I believe in Morgan's case it had to be someone with access to some type of government agency. I mean LSD or whatever drug they gave him is pretty hard (and expensive) for Joe Schmoe to come by and an extreme way of intimidating someone. I think with Morgan, Casolaro, Doug Johnston, Tommy Burkett, Kevin Ives & Don Henry, Norman Ladner - the key to all of these lie in the government in the late 70s-late 80s. All these individuals ran afoul of either the FBI/witness protection program/drug ring gammit or our defense/CIA blackhawk program (for lack of a better term)

Casolaro & Morgan were both at the time of their death looking into various government cover ups or incidents surrounding our defense program. Whether it be the CIA or military defense or whatever. I think in both men's case they got pretty much close to revealing some information that would point out some corruption or flaws in our defense program. In Morgan's case it probably had to due with rouge CIA agents making a few bucks on the side selling weapons or information to the contras and in Danny Casolaro's case I won't even begin to speculate because I believe the young journalist hit upon a motherload of information that could have possibly resulted in the jailing and/or impeachment of several top government officials due to scandals in the Republican party in the 1980s. Doug Johnston is the true "innocent victim" in this whole plot because he didn't have any knowledge of any of these scandals and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time as the hitman intended to kill Don Devereux who I believe by coming forward with his story on UM may have saved his life due to the knowledge that he was being targeted now being so widely known.

In the cases of Ives & Henry, Burkett and possibly Norman Ladner - all four seemed to run afoul of the drug rings in the southern United States in the 1980s-early 90s. There are a number of books on the topic of Mena Arkansas and Barry Seal and various drug cover ups and the FBI's involvement in these cover-ups involving the witness protection program. Although none of the allegations can be proven it is stunnng that all four youngsters deaths seemed to circle around the drug trade in one form or another.

Later.

MetalHybrid · 03-28-2005, 04:56 PM

The people who killed Dave Bocks. I don't think they will be caught since no one even knows who "they" are, except for themselves that is.

mercy1825 · 03-28-2005, 06:17 PM

Here are some fugitives or suspects that I am surprised to see have not been tried and convicted for their crimes:

1. Sam Patel - suspected of murdering Joan Jefferies

2. Paul Pollis _ suspected of murdering his very large wife with aid from his own parents, I believe, in Girard Ohio.

3. Sherman - man who placed wife's skull outside his favorite hangout.

Note: I believe Timothy McClure is innocent and did not kill his mother on his wedding night in Reno Nevada due to lack of motive and the fact that by all accounts he had such a close relationshipo with her.

DarkDante · 03-29-2005, 02:46 AM

I don't know what to think about McClure but there was a guy who I spoke with on this board around a year or so ago who worked with Tim McClure for several years after the death of his mother and in his words "Tim was one strange dude" - Apparently their job involved a lot of "people skills" and being able to work in groups and Tim would sort of keep to himself and always seemed very leary of people being around him and gave a lot of people "strange vibes"

take that for what it's worth.

Later.

The_Urban_Prince · 03-29-2005, 05:02 AM

i'm shocked they caught the green river killer.

pjpiazza · 03-29-2005, 02:58 PM

the segment just on today about Angela Hammond. That guy will never be caught.

mercy1825 · 03-29-2005, 03:04 PM

that guy has probably already been executed. Her abducter is said to be Kenneth McDuff, who was executed in 98. Famous serial killer for being twice sentenced to death row. A and E also did an American Justice on him. Search this message board for Hammond info and you will find links where this connection is made.

themaninblack · 03-29-2005, 03:14 PM

whenever government people are involved, rest assured years will pass before killers are caught

03-26-2005, 03:04 PM	#1
mercy1825 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 04, 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 176	What fugitives will never be caught? Or Who are you suprised hasn't been caught? My vote for who will never be caught is Donald Eugene Webb and Victor Manuel Gerena. Webb brutally beat to death the cop who chased him after he committed a jewelery store robbery in the early eighties somewhere in Pennsylvania. Being that it happened in, I believe 1983, he has been on the FBI's ten most wanted list for a very long time. He is probably dead. Also, Gerena is the one responsible for the armored car robbery in which very much money was stolen and he injected his coworkers (He was an employee at the time) with an unknown substance, it had no effect. He has also been on the FBI's ten most wanted list. He is believed to have ties to hardline rebels in Puerts Rico who want independence from the U.S.A. My vote for who I am surprised has not been caught is Blockledge. I believe his first name is Richard and he killed his girlfriend/wife, Tanya Koprick. He was an upset pharmacy student, and was dismissed from the university due to poor grades. This happened I believe in the late 80's. I am just surprised they have not caught this maniac. Please post your thoughts as I think this will be an interesting topic??!!

03-26-2005, 03:58 PM	#2
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	Dick Bocklidge has always struck me as very much the intellectual - the kind that can use his creative ways and superior intellect to evade authorities for as long as he wants to. I believe one fugitive and one possible fugitive that might never be found are first fugitive William Bradford Bishop who murdered his entire family in the late 70s - Bishop was already in his mid 50s then and by now would be basically an aging senior citizen if not already dead. If he is still on the run it's basically a lock that his knowledge of the international scene as described in the segment is helping him elude capture. Another possible fugitive is Dale Kirkstetter who was accused of aiding a raid on platinum plant he worked at - it is possible that Dale was not involved at all and was murdered by the robbers but many here feel he was a willing participant. Either way he would be another one possibly in his 80s by now if indeed he went on the lam. I'd like to add to this one person I was surprised to see captured is Jesse James Hollywood - I thought his dad with all his mafia connections would have kept his son hidden much longer then he did although I always believed he would be eventually flushed out. Also one capture I wished never would have happened was the case of Margo Freshwater - I have signed the "Free Margo" petition and hope that she is granted clemency as I don't believe her to be a criminal just someone who was caught up in the web of a madman's trail of murder. Later.

03-26-2005, 04:40 PM	#3
mercy1825 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 04, 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 176	Bocklidge an intellectual?? What makes Bocklidge an intellectual?? The fact that he failed out of pharmacy school? Intellectuals are more oriented with philosophy, psychology and areas that require heavy reading and writing. Pharmacy requires a lot of studying, but it is more suited to the common overachiever. Bocklidge was simply not capable of succeeding and was more of a sociopath, in that he blamed everybody else for his shortcomings as a student. Remember how he went looking to murder the dean and the board that voted to keep him out? People who believe that the whole world is out to get them, see everyone and everything as a means to achieve something. This guy was a sociopath scumbag. Ted Bundy was highly intelligent and he was caught. Many highly intelligent criminals are apprehended. My theory is that he is hiding out in Northern Canada in a sparsely populated region.

03-26-2005, 08:32 PM	#5
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	Bocklidge I actually do hope he gets caught for the hidious crime he committed however true intellect can not be measured in my opinion by how one does in school. I believe that Richard Bocklidge in many ways is a very intelligent individual and unfortunatley has not put his intelligence to good ends. I think he is another case of someone who was at one point extremely ambitious and perhaps might be an overachiever. The problem is that is cases with some people due to whatever demons they have not gotten rid of over the course of their life (and I would not be surprised if there are a ton of skeletons in Bocklidge's closet) that something can trigger them into a form of psychosis where all that ambition and energy is focussed onto something sinister than on more positive endevors. I think when Bocklidge was denied re-admission to the college I believe it sent his rapidly deteriorating mind over the edge and resulted in the horrid crime we have on our hands now. One of the final symptoms of people such as Bocklidge is as you stated "the whole world is out to get them" another common statement from these people is "that the devil has consumed their soul". They begin to live their life in a constant state of fear and panic and one of two things usually happens - if turned inward usually a nervous breakdown and if outward an extreme act of violence as in this case. However if Bocklidge has been able to at least bury some of his demons since the time of the murder it is my OPINION that he is using all his intellect and focussing all his energy that at one point must have been focussed on more positive endevors on evading police - I don't think Dick Bocklidge will ever be caught personally but hope for society that he is because unless he has recieved treatment there is nothing stopping him from having another violent episode triggered by a benign event again.

03-27-2005, 11:49 PM	#7
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,675	reply I agree, the killers of Charles Morgan are going to be very difficult to catch. It's been 27 years since he was killed and the police STILL don't have a suspect.

03-26-2005, 06:53 PM	#4
U.M. Fanatic Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 15, 2005 Location: Lowell, NC Posts: 280	Two words - Mike Riemer. Did he kill his girlfriend, Diana Robertson, like I believe, or was he a victim of an unknown serial killer? Either way, there is still a fugitive at large that has killed at least three people, Diana and the two other campers who were killed a few months earlier. Both Diana and the female camper both had tube socks wrapped around their necks.

03-27-2005, 03:31 PM	#6
themaninblack Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 08, 2005 Posts: 573	the fugitives who will never be caught in my opinion are the person or persons responsible for the murder of the Morgan guy, Charles i believe. government people are too heavily involved and are covering up the case.

03-28-2005, 01:33 AM	#8
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	I think with Morgan or for that matter D. Casolaro were both professional hits or had the looks of a professional hit. Therefore finding the hitman might be small potatoes compared to finding who ordered the hit - Most of us can make a pretty good guess about who or what is behind a lot of these "mysterious deaths" I mean I believe in Morgan's case it had to be someone with access to some type of government agency. I mean LSD or whatever drug they gave him is pretty hard (and expensive) for Joe Schmoe to come by and an extreme way of intimidating someone. I think with Morgan, Casolaro, Doug Johnston, Tommy Burkett, Kevin Ives & Don Henry, Norman Ladner - the key to all of these lie in the government in the late 70s-late 80s. All these individuals ran afoul of either the FBI/witness protection program/drug ring gammit or our defense/CIA blackhawk program (for lack of a better term) Casolaro & Morgan were both at the time of their death looking into various government cover ups or incidents surrounding our defense program. Whether it be the CIA or military defense or whatever. I think in both men's case they got pretty much close to revealing some information that would point out some corruption or flaws in our defense program. In Morgan's case it probably had to due with rouge CIA agents making a few bucks on the side selling weapons or information to the contras and in Danny Casolaro's case I won't even begin to speculate because I believe the young journalist hit upon a motherload of information that could have possibly resulted in the jailing and/or impeachment of several top government officials due to scandals in the Republican party in the 1980s. Doug Johnston is the true "innocent victim" in this whole plot because he didn't have any knowledge of any of these scandals and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time as the hitman intended to kill Don Devereux who I believe by coming forward with his story on UM may have saved his life due to the knowledge that he was being targeted now being so widely known. In the cases of Ives & Henry, Burkett and possibly Norman Ladner - all four seemed to run afoul of the drug rings in the southern United States in the 1980s-early 90s. There are a number of books on the topic of Mena Arkansas and Barry Seal and various drug cover ups and the FBI's involvement in these cover-ups involving the witness protection program. Although none of the allegations can be proven it is stunnng that all four youngsters deaths seemed to circle around the drug trade in one form or another. Later.

03-28-2005, 04:56 PM	#9
MetalHybrid Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 10, 2005 Location: Campbell(near San Jose), CA Posts: 141	The people who killed Dave Bocks. I don't think they will be caught since no one even knows who "they" are, except for themselves that is.

03-28-2005, 06:17 PM	#10
mercy1825 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 04, 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 176	Here are some fugitives or suspects that I am surprised to see have not been tried and convicted for their crimes: 1. Sam Patel - suspected of murdering Joan Jefferies 2. Paul Pollis _ suspected of murdering his very large wife with aid from his own parents, I believe, in Girard Ohio. 3. Sherman - man who placed wife's skull outside his favorite hangout. Note: I believe Timothy McClure is innocent and did not kill his mother on his wedding night in Reno Nevada due to lack of motive and the fact that by all accounts he had such a close relationshipo with her.

03-29-2005, 02:46 AM	#11
DarkDante Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 27, 2002 Posts: 1,569	Tim McClure I don't know what to think about McClure but there was a guy who I spoke with on this board around a year or so ago who worked with Tim McClure for several years after the death of his mother and in his words "Tim was one strange dude" - Apparently their job involved a lot of "people skills" and being able to work in groups and Tim would sort of keep to himself and always seemed very leary of people being around him and gave a lot of people "strange vibes" take that for what it's worth. Later.

03-29-2005, 05:02 AM	#12
The_Urban_Prince Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Feb 11, 2005 Posts: 43	i'm shocked they caught the green river killer.

03-29-2005, 02:58 PM	#13
pjpiazza Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 06, 2005 Posts: 164	the segment just on today about Angela Hammond. That guy will never be caught.

03-29-2005, 03:04 PM	#14
mercy1825 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 04, 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 176	that guy has probably already been executed. Her abducter is said to be Kenneth McDuff, who was executed in 98. Famous serial killer for being twice sentenced to death row. A and E also did an American Justice on him. Search this message board for Hammond info and you will find links where this connection is made.

03-29-2005, 03:14 PM	#15
themaninblack Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 08, 2005 Posts: 573	whenever government people are involved, rest assured years will pass before killers are caught