Sitcoms Online - Main Page / Message Boards - Main Page / News Blog / Photo Galleries / DVD Reviews / Buy TV Shows on DVD and Blu-ray

View Today's Active Threads (No Chit Chat/Chit Chat Only) / View New Posts (No Chit Chat/Chit Chat Only) / Mark All Boards Read / Chit Chat Board


Unsolved Mysteries Online Main Page / Message Board / Show History / Episode Guide (1987-2002) / Expanded Episode Guide #2 / Expanded Episode Guide #3 / Case Updates / Wiki / Official Site / Related Links

True Crime Shows Message Board / View Latest Threads in True Crime Shows / America's Most Wanted (AMW) / American Justice / City Confidential / Cold Case Files / Dateline / Disappeared / Forensic Files / 48 Hours / The Hunt with John Walsh / In Pursuit with John Walsh / Missing: Reward / On the Case with Paula Zahn / All Other Cases

Unsolved Mysteries: Original Robert Stack Episodes - The Complete First Season

Watch or Buy Unsolved Mysteries: Original Robert Stack Episodes - Season 1 on Amazon Video
/ Season 2 / Season 3 / Season 4 / Season 5 / Season 6 / Season 7 / Season 8 / Season 9 / Season 10 / Season 11 / Season 12 / Watch on YouTube
Unsolved Mysteries with Dennis Farina Episodes

Watch or Buy Unsolved Mysteries with Dennis Farina Episodes - Season 1 on Amazon Video
/ Season 2 / Season 3 / Season 4 / Season 5 / Season 6 / Season 7 / Season 8 / Watch on YouTube

Unsolved Mysteries: UFOs

Buy Unsolved Mysteries: UFOs DVD Set
Unsolved Mysteries: Ghosts

Buy Unsolved Mysteries: Ghosts DVD Set
Unsolved Mysteries: Miracles

Buy Unsolved Mysteries: Miracles DVD Set
Unsolved Mysteries: Bizarre Murders

Buy Unsolved Mysteries: Bizarre Murders DVD Set
Unsolved Mysteries: Psychics

Buy Unsolved Mysteries: Psychics DVD Set
Unsolved Mysteries: Strange Legends

Buy Unsolved Mysteries: Strange Legends DVD Set

Buy The Best of Unsolved Mysteries DVD / Buy Unsolved Mysteries - The Ultimate Collection DVD

Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums  

Go Back   Sitcoms Online Message Boards - Forums > Unsolved Mysteries
Register Community View Today's Active Threads (No CC/CC Only) Search Photo Galleries Calendar FAQ

Notices

SitcomsOnline.com News Blog Headlines Facebook X/Twitter Bluesky Threads Instagram YouTube RSS

Sitcom Stars on Talk Shows; This Week in Sitcoms (Week of July 20, 2026)
SitcomsOnline Digest: Warner to Release Perfect Strangers - The Complete Series on Blu-ray; Chloe Fineman Exits Saturday Night Live
Remembering Hal Williams of Sanford and Son, 227 and More; The CW Renews Sullivan's Crossing
Trailer for Wizards Beyond Waverly Place Finale Event; HGTV's Totally '90s House with '90s TV Stars
Fox Fall 2026 Premiere Dates; FX's The Shards Trailer
Netflix's Monopoly Coming in 2027; Prime Video Carrie Series Premieres This Fall
The Hawk Premieres Thursday on Netflix; Snoopy Presents: There's No Place Like Home, Snoopy Trailer


New on DVD and Blu-ray

Abbott Elementary - The Complete Fourth Season (DVD) The Office - The Complete Series - Superfan Extended Episodes (Blu-ray) I Love Lucy - The Complete Series - 75th Anniversary Edition (Blu-ray) Perfect Strangers - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)

01/20/26 - The Woody Woodpecker and Friends Golden Age Collection (Blu-ray)
01/27/26 - The New Fred and Barney Show - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
02/11/26 - Tom and Jerry - The Complete CinemaScope Collection (Blu-ray)
03/24/26 - Looney Tunes Collector's Vault - Volume 2 (Blu-ray)
04/11/26 - Abbott Elementary - The Complete Fourth Season (DVD)
04/21/26 - Famous Studios Champion Collection (Blu-ray) (DVD)
05/19/26 - I Love Lucy - The Complete Series - 75th Anniversary Edition (DVD)
05/19/26 - Looney Tunes Cartoons - The Complete Series (Blu-ray) (DVD)
06/16/26 - Difficult People - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
06/30/26 - Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)
07/14/26 - The Office - The Complete Series - Superfan Extended Episodes (Blu-ray)
07/28/26 - I Love Lucy - The Complete Series - 75th Anniversary Edition (Blu-ray)
08/25/26 - Perfect Strangers - The Complete Series (Blu-ray)

More Recent and Upcoming TV DVD and Blu-ray Releases / TV Shows on DVD, Blu-ray and Prime Video / DVD Reviews Archive


Search Sitcoms Online:



Donate

Please make a donation if you can help with Sitcoms Online's web hosting costs. Thanks for your support!

We receive a small commission on all DVDs, Blu-rays, CDs, Books, and any other items ordered through our Amazon.com links as an associate. Thanks for using our links for your online shopping!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-20-2005, 06:34 PM   #1
Blackout
Sart Bimpson
Senior Member
 
Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 13, 2003
Location: where the sun rises
Posts: 2,236
Default Skagit County Killer (another missed update by Lifetime)

this was always one of my favorite cases because it reminded me of the Zodiac and Son of Sam cases. Lifetime never updated this (i taped this when it was aired a few weeks ago; no updates) but I found this through my own research:


______
Thursday, October 26, 2000




Washington state serial killer sentenced to 408 years for 13 murders



By JOHN WILEY -- The Associated Press

SPOKANE, Wash. -- A man who confessed to killing 13 people and one attempted murder dating back a quarter century asked God to right his wrongs as he was sentenced Thursday to 408 years in prison.

Robert Yates, a 48-year-old army veteran and National Guard helicopter pilot, admitted last week to 10 Spokane-area slayings from 1996 to 1998, the murders of a young man and woman in southern Washington in 1975 and the murder of a woman in the state's northeast in 1988.

Yates, a father of five, could still face the death penalty in Pierce County in western Washington, where he is charged with two additional slayings.

"I pray that God will right the wrongs that I have committed and that justice will bring closure," Yates told a small courtroom packed with sobbing relatives of his victims.

Spokane County Superior Judge Richard Schroeder also fined Yates $60,000 US, and signed him over to the custody of the Pierce County sheriff.

Family members of victims, during sentencing testimony, confronted Yates.

"Do you have any idea what it's like to go to a cemetery for a family reunion for 25 years?" said Chris Oliver, brother of victim Patrick Oliver, who was killed in Walla Walla in 1975.

"He has disgraced and dishonoured every uniform he ever wore," said John Joseph, father of Jennifer Joseph, killed in 1997.

Yates' 25-year-old daughter, Sasha, got no answer when she asked why the killings happened.

"I still love you dad, even though you did this," she said as her father looked away.

The case renewed debate about the state's death penalty laws after Yates avoided capital punishment by confessing to the murders and showing investigators where a missing body was buried.

Last week, investigators using a map drawn by Yates, found the remains of a woman buried in the side yard of his Spokane house, beneath his bedroom window.

The attempted murder charge involved the 1998 shooting of a prostitute who escaped from Yates and survived.

A special homicide task force set up in 1997 to investigate the deaths of Spokane prostitutes is still following leads in other unsolved slayings in the region, Spokane County Sheriff's Sgt. Cal Walker said Thursday.

The case prompted legislators to propose making it easier to seek capital punishment by adding "serial killing" to the list of aggravating circumstances in which the death penalty may be applied.

Police from British Columbia and Oregon have met to discuss the Yates case, and were puzzled by two large gaps -- from 1975-88 and from 1988-96 -- in the murders to which Yates pleaded guilty.

Washington police are investigating whether Yates is connected to the 1987 deaths of a British Columbia couple.

Tanya Van Cuylenborg, 18, was found Nov. 24, 1987, shot to death and dumped in a wooded area near Burlington in Skagit County.

The body of her boyfriend, Jay Roland Cook, 20, was discovered two days later by hunters about three kilometres south of Monroe. He had been strangled.
__________________
MOHRIOR
Blackout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 06:38 PM   #2
Blackout
Sart Bimpson
Senior Member
 
Blackout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 13, 2003
Location: where the sun rises
Posts: 2,236
Default

another suspect:



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A Seattle Post-Intelligencer special report on how police here and around the nation fumble missing-person reports, originally published in 10 parts.
Friday, February 21, 2003

Part 5: Serial killers -- they're not always who we think

By MIKE BARBER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

For years, the issue of whether Charles T. Sinclair was a bona fide serial killer remained a question of his intentions.

Like serial killers, he trolled -- from New Mexico to Canada. Like serial killers, he had a pattern, killing coin shop dealers, all strangers. But unlike the popular perception of serial killers, Sinclair appeared to have a motive -- money.

Serial murderers are said to kill without conscience, for power, even for pleasure. People who kill for money are robbers.

But when Pete Piccini, a Jefferson County cop who chased Sinclair for years, entered a ministorage shed near Sumas in 1990, he discovered a pile of evidence and a mountain of conflicting ideas about Sinclair and his crimes.

In the bottom of a barrel in the shed were a yellow flowered bed sheet and pillows. They matched the linen used to strangle and wrap the body of 18-year-old Amanda Stavik.

Stavik, a Central Washington University student, vanished Thanksgiving Eve 1989 while jogging. Her body was found Nov. 27 in the South Fork of the Nooksack River. There was evidence of rape.

Another item to emerge from the shed was a school yearbook. Leafing through it, investigators saw Stavik's picture. She had been a classmate of Sinclair's son.

Piccini, diligently running down a missing-person report from his own county, had discovered a sex crime that called into question the profile of a man then sought as "The Coin Shop Killer."

"It was hard to define Sinclair; he was all over the map," said Piccini, who retired as Jefferson County sheriff in December.

Unlike Hollywood's Hannibal Lecter or the real-life Ted Bundy, not all serial killers present an easy-to-spot profile ripe with rituals, methods and arcane messages. Many remain unnoticed for years because their crimes show little or no common link.

Charles Sinclair defied the textbook definition of serial killer, even though he is thought to have killed more than a dozen people, including six in Western Washington.

Even now, Piccini struggles to understand exactly what kind of monster he had found.


A new way of thinking

Those who study serial murder -- including some who wrote books about it -- say their definitions have changed as they have learned more about the little-understood phenomenon.

Robert Ressler, a pioneering homicide investigator often credited with coining the term "serial murder," said he and others in the FBI's fabled Behavioral Science Unit created the definition in the 1970s "to get over the bureaucracy that was limiting the scope of what criminal offenses were."

"It was mostly a way for us to communicate with ourselves and with law enforcement outside the FBI," Ressler said. "We had to come up with new definitions to change the FBI's way of thinking."

At the time, the FBI's Uniform Crime Report allowed just five categories to describe murder.

"That was totally inadequate," Ressler said. "So we put our heads together and came up with 43 different classifications."

Among them, mass murder -- killing three or more people in one incident -- and spree killings, several murders one after another.

Ressler's group defined serial murder as "three or more murders (with) a cooling-off period between the crimes. That's serial homicide. It's very much based on a fantasy that builds and builds during this cooling-off period that leads to premeditation and planning for the next murder."

The FBI has since tinkered with that definition, reducing the number of homicides to two, said Larry Ankrom, Unit Chief of the bureau's Behavioral Science Unit-West Region.

But even that definition isn't steadfast.

"Even one murder can distinguish someone as a serial killer," said Robert Keppel, a former King County detective who worked the Bundy and Green River cases and is now one of the foremost experts on multiple murders. "The characteristics in a single-victim homicide can help you predict if the killer is going to do it again."

And even crimes short of murder, including rape or assault, can lead authorities to conclude the attacker may also be a serial killer.

Even while trying to define the phenomenon, criminologists warn that trying to be too precise can have deadly consequences.

Steve Egger, an internationally known authority on serial homicide and pattern crimes, said too much is made of defining spree, mass and serial killers. He figures a serial can happen with two murders.

"It's frustrating," said Egger, a former homicide detective who now teaches at the University of Houston-Clear Lake. "There are a whole range of theories, some good, but they don't match all the killers out there."


Spree or serial?

Two former Tacomans, John Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo, await trial in Virginia in relation to the monthlong string of Washington, D.C., sniper slayings last fall. They're also suspects in a Tacoma slaying that occurred months earlier, making a total of 13 deaths they have been linked to.

Yet, the D.C. sniper is widely classified as a spree killer -- a cousin of the serial killer whose actions are often triggered by some rage-inducing event stemming from a perceived failure or rejection, killing anyone they encounter over a shorter period.

Egger, however, considers the snipers to be serial killers.

"It is about domination and control," he said. "I think it was about power over life and death (because the snipers) appeared to be choosing victims and playing games with police."

Other strings of slayings more comfortably fit the general definition of serial killings.

Robert Pickton, a Port Coquitlam, B.C., pig farmer, is accused of killing several prostitutes who disappeared from the streets of Vancouver in recent years -- a more familiar pattern, much like the Seattle-area Green River murders in the 1980s.

But not all killers follow such an obvious plan in selecting victims. And not all fit the Hollywood profile of loners, cannibals and misfits.

Some are like Charles Sinclair.

Sinclair, a New Mexico native, was a Navy veteran of the Vietnam War and a father of two teenagers. He had been an oil field worker, farmer and gun shop owner -- unknown to law enforcement until people he met began turning up dead in the 1980s.

"In Hobbs, he had been big in the neighborhood, a nice guy, opened a gun store and expanded it into sporting goods," Piccini said of Sinclair's life in New Mexico. "Then he needed money. That's when his routine began."

Sinclair's first crime was likely embezzlement. When a bank began looking for $30,000 in missing money, he and his family "went into the wind," Piccini said. They surfaced in Deming, Wash., living under assumed names, in 1985.

Piccini's long struggle to understand Sinclair began the following summer, when he was assigned to run down a missing-person report. Robert D. Linton, 64, and his wife, Dagmar, 62, retirees from Stockton, Calif., were on their way to Expo '86 in Vancouver, B.C., when they stopped at a Brinnon, Wash.-area campground. They unhooked their travel trailer and drove off in their truck on a day-trip to the Mount Baker area. They were never seen again.

"We went down to the campground thinking maybe they just took a trip," Piccini recalls. "But I got a little shaky about it because they had been gone a week. We got inside the trailer, and everything was set up like they were coming back."

Jefferson County investigators first checked out the couple's credit card and found it was used to pay for a movie and gasoline near Marblemount, 125 miles and a ferry ride east of Jefferson County, not long after they disappeared.

Over the next three weeks, the card was used up and down the Interstate 5 corridor, as far south as Cottage Grove, Ore. Investigators suspected the killer had taken the Linton's car as well.

Tracking the card, Piccini noted an attempt to buy two 50-peso Mexican gold pieces, $500 a copy, at an Oregon coin shop. Much later, he would know exactly how close the shop owners had come to death.

The Coin Shop Killer would show interest in a piece, but profess to be short of cash -- an excuse to ask the dealer to open the shop early or late so he could come back with money. Usually that meant the dealer would be alone -- an easy target.

The gold coin purchase in Oregon didn't go through and the "buyer" didn't come back later with cash as promised -- likely because the dealers never worked alone and always were armed. They later described the man with the credit card to Piccini. Their description fit Sinclair -- taller than 6 feet, 4 inches, big hair in a bandanna.

By then, Jefferson County investigators were just three days behind the credit card user, and were narrowing the gap. Piccini was getting ready to spring when someone tipped his hand.

"All of a sudden the story hits the paper, then the wire service, and then television is all over, looking at the Linton's trailer, Piccini said. "The credit card usage stopped. We lost him."

Worse, Piccini said, "He went on killing."


A hunting buddy

Over the next four years, the Coin Shop Killer became a suspect in robbery-murders in Spokane; Vancouver, B.C.; Vacaville, Calif.; Kansas City, Mo.; Watertown, N.Y.; and Billings, Mont.

All the while, Piccini kept the Linton's file on his desk. Any time he saw any report of a crime anywhere with an unusually tall suspect he would call that police department for details. One summer day in 1990 he saw a Teletype about a coin shop robbery in Utah.

"He didn't follow his usual routine," Piccini said of the Utah robbery. "Usually he'd shoot someone and then shoot them again behind the ear. This one he shot, but didn't shoot them again."

The clerk was able describe an unusually tall robber who had given the name Weir. After several dead ends, police found a man named Jimmy Charles Weir -- and learned he was a victim of stolen identity.

The real Weir had a hunting buddy: Charles Sinclair.

From 1985 to 1989, Sinclair, calling himself Jimmy Charles Weir, had lived on a rented farm near Deming, about 50 miles northwest of Marblemount -- the town where the Linton's credit card had been used.

Local police from several states met in Montana to discuss the breakthrough and quickly discovered that federal agents who were supposed to look for pattern killers had let them down.

"A lot of police agencies filed information with . . . the FBI (which) never let the agencies know about all these reports of coin dealers being killed," Piccini said. "When the FBI came into the case . . . our question to them was, 'You had all these police reports from agencies around the U.S. and Canada and never put it together or let us know. How did that happen?' "

No one has been able to answer that question, he said.

Sinclair, still calling himself Weir, was tracked to Alaska, where he was arrested Aug. 13, 1990, near Kenney Lake, where he was trying to buy a farm. More than a dozen police departments made the trek to the jail in Cook Inlet, Alaska, to get what they could from him. Piccini was there in October 1990.

"He was as cold as a snake on a stone," Piccini said at the time. "I showed him pictures and his face didn't change but he was swallowing. He knew them."

Twelve years later, he recalled that Sinclair "was very surprised to see me. I told him we weren't interested in prosecuting -- we would just have to stand in line with bigger fish waiting to get at him. We just wanted to know where the missing were."

But Sinclair took his secrets with him. He died of a heart attack at 44 on Oct. 30, 1990.

In addition to the Lintons and Stavik, Sinclair is now thought to have killed three others in Washington state, starting with the 1980 slaying of David M. Sutton at the Bennington Auction Co. in Everett.

He is also thought to have killed a young Canadian couple, Jay Roland Cook, 20, and his girlfriend, Tanya Van Cuylenborg, 18, who disappeared after getting off a Bremerton-to-Seattle ferry in 1987. The girl, sexually assaulted and shot, was found Thanksgiving Day, dumped in a ditch near Burlington. Cook was strangled and dumped near Monroe.

Last edited by Blackout; 03-20-2005 at 07:12 PM.
Blackout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 08:26 PM   #3
Kane
Member
Forum 3000 Club Member
 
Kane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 07, 2001
Location: MA, United States
Posts: 3,367
Default Lifetime may have good reason for not updating it

Although Robert Yates has been looked into as a potential suspect (as was Charles Sinclair) in the deaths of Jay Cook and Tanya Van Cuylenborg, that's apparently as far as it has gone. With no arrests made in the case, the info was evidently not enough to warrant an update for the UM segment.
Kane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 08:29 PM   #4
DeeeNah
Member
Occasional Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 04, 2005
Posts: 42
Default

thanks for the update Blackout805
DeeeNah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 09:05 PM   #5
shock80
Banned
Banned!!
Occasional Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 20, 2005
Posts: 40
Default it doesnt matter

It doesnt matter folks, UM is no longer in production. They arent obligated to reply and update anymore. It's up to the family or families to directly contact UM and ask them to update. Right now until they get back into production they dont have a requirment.

They may never update the JJH case either in the future. Our best source for updatesi s now the internet or newspapers.
shock80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 09:55 PM   #6
U.M. Fanatic
Member
Frequent Poster
 
U.M. Fanatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 15, 2005
Location: Lowell, NC
Posts: 280
Default

I was watching this segment too the other night, because I had also recorded it a few weeks ago. This was an especially creepy episode, not only because of the murders, but also the greeting cards the families got through the mail that were full of taunts about the murders.
U.M. Fanatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-20-2005, 10:09 PM   #7
shock80
Banned
Banned!!
Occasional Poster
 
Join Date: Feb 20, 2005
Posts: 40
Default creepy

Yes I agree it is very creepy geting letters through the mail. You wonder where they are coming from. unfortunately it will be difficult to track.
shock80 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:11 AM.


Frequently Asked Questions

1) How do I contact Unsolved Mysteries with information on segments?

If you any information on cases, you can contact them via:

Website: www.unsolved.com

Contact form on official Unsolved Mysteries site

Please note that their old mailing address and 1-800 phone number no longer work.


2) Where can I watch Unsolved Mysteries?

Unsolved Mysteries is available for streaming on Amazon Video and YouTube.


Although the administrators and moderators of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards will attempt to keep all objectionable messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and neither the owners of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards, nor vBulletin Solutions Inc. (developers of vBulletin) will be held responsible for the content of any message. The owners of the Sitcoms Online Message Boards reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.