Cases that are still in my head....

[Sneaky]

I think we all have them. They sit in our head and spin round and round. They come up at strange times and simply won't go away. I really wish I could do something for those involved.

The ones that I will probably always remember:

1) From the first episode. The guy, I think his first name was Don, disappeared into a remote section of Wyoming. His body was found years later, and the police felt he died in a storm shortly after his vehicle was found. His family however, uncovered evidence that pointed to him being alive after the storm, and in another location. Anyone know his full name, or any other online sources of information?

2) The Tommy Burkett case. This one, without a doubt, affects me the most. I check thepacc.org often, but unfortunately there are no recent updates. I spoke with Tommy's mother once or twice a few years ago via email, and I was sad to find out that she passed. God bless her and her husband. I think that one of the reasons that this case affected me so much was the UM episode. I have NEVER seen such a poor example of a police officer as the piece of garbage that was on that show, lying his ass off. It made me what to scream.

3) The Joyce McClain case, in East Millinockett, Maine. The reason this stays with me, as I have mentioned in other threads, is I have a few ties to the area.

What cases keep you up at night?

[zakattak3]

An episode I saw recently involving a man who woke up in a field and couldn't remember anything and couldn't find his family or anyone who knew him, but once it was aired on tv, his family found him and it turned out he was wanted by the police. That episode has made me wonder how depressing it would be to live that man's life.

[justins5256]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

1) From the first episode. The guy, I think his first name was Don, disappeared into a remote section of Wyoming. His body was found years later, and the police felt he died in a storm shortly after his vehicle was found. His family however, uncovered evidence that pointed to him being alive after the storm, and in another location. Anyone know his full name, or any other online sources of information?

His name was Donald Kemp.

Justin

[DeeeNah]

The one case that always sticks with me is the case of this couple that crashed their car, left their car and were found in diff stages of decomposition. This case always gives me the creeps.

[DarkDante]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

2) The Tommy Burkett case. This one, without a doubt, affects me the most. I check thepacc.org often, but unfortunately there are no recent updates. I spoke with Tommy's mother once or twice a few years ago via email, and I was sad to find out that she passed. God bless her and her husband. I think that one of the reasons that this case affected me so much was the UM episode. I have NEVER seen such a poor example of a police officer as the piece of garbage that was on that show, lying his ass off. It made me what to scream.

Yeah the Burkett case is another one I'd like to have on tape but don't just another perplexing mystery although what actually happened can probably be ascertained by the audiance and what follows is solely my OPINION. I've been a UM fan for many years now and I've noticed a number of their cases (Burkett, Ives & Henry and to some degree Norman Ladner) all have the commonality of either FBI involvement or some type of drug activity in the southern United States in the late 80s-early 90s when this country was going through a rabid drug problem (compare the massive campaigns on television directed at those of us who grew up in the early 90s to the ones aired now you will find the earlier campaigns a lot more grim then the current ones indicating a more serious problem backed up by statistical data - but I digress)

One way the government sought to ebb out the drug trafficing problem especially in the southern United States was to rangle informents whether they be drug smugglers who had been busted (for example Barry Seal) or college students involved in the program possibly due to similar circumstances (Tommy Burkett) - These individuals are promised "protection" as part of their "contract" as narc agents and steps above and beyond what some of us would view as human decency or moral ethics are taken to secure this.

Now here is my opinion as to what happened to Thomas Burkett, Mr. Burkett being a nineteen year old college student was tragically expendable, at some point I'm sure Thomas turned up some evidence of drug activity at the Marymount College in Virginia and possibly and had the bad run of luck to implicate some students whose parents and family members were high ranking in either the college or in the state government.

AGAIN I must stress that Burkett was expendable. These officials apparently had some kickbacks coming their way and it was determined by any number of individuals that it would be in the best interest of those people involved that Mr. Burkett be disposed of. That being said I do not believe Burkett was murdered by a contract hit but by the same students who harassed him around the college in the weeks prior to his death. I even open the possibility that these individuals did not show up to the Burkett residence that day to murder Tommy but merely to "shake him up" and it just escalated from there. The cover-up that ensued is not only to protect the murderers but their relations in the greater Virginia area. I don't think this case will ever be solved because much like the other cases mentioned above it would be a great embarassment to the officials involved and possibly present a danger of exposing the FBI program which Thomas was a part of something that obviously would not be in this country's best interest.

Now before anyone starts shouting conspiracy theory or libel I suggest you stop by the PACC website as most of the info is gleaned from there and make your own decision - this is just my brief analysis of the data found there and the UM segment itself

Later.

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

I think we all have them. They sit in our head and spin round and round. They come up at strange times and simply won't go away. I really wish I could do something for those involved.

Boy, that is the truth. The Maples case (kidnapping two of their grandchildren Kristi and Bobby Baskin) has always stayed close with me. I've even had several dreams over the last couple of years that I met Mark and Debbie Baskin and helped them reunite with their kids. They are never far from my thoughts and prayers. I think writing them a letter 2 years ago felt really good.

Another recent case involving that little 5 foot 2 scum bag, Jesse James Hollywood, taking part in the murder of 15 year old Nick Markowitz has also disturbed me greatly. I know the FBI is trying as hard as they can to find this horrible person and I pray that he is caught.

Sneaky - What ties did you have to East Millinockett, Maine where Joyce McClain was killed? Did you have friends/family that lived there or did you usually drive though the area often? That was always a depressing case as well. She was killed in 1980, the same year I was born. That's quite a while for an unsolved murder...I'm sure her family and friends must be devasted that a killer still hasn't been caught.

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by DeeeNah

The one case that always sticks with me is the case of this couple that crashed their car, left their car and were found in diff stages of decomposition. This case always gives me the creeps.

Yikes, thats one that I have never seen! What other details can you give me? I would like to read more about it. Thanks in advance.

[Sneaky]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

Sneaky - What ties did you have to East Millinockett, Maine where Joyce McClain was killed? Did you have friends/family that lived there or did you usually drive though the area often? That was always a depressing case as well. She was killed in 1980, the same year I was born. That's quite a while for an unsolved murder...I'm sure her family and friends must be devasted that a killer still hasn't been caught.

My family has had a hunting cabin in the region for twenty years. I know a fair amount of locals, no one personally related to the case however. I have spoken with a few people about the case, and as with any small town, everyone has different theories. A few, and I say this carefully, have been presented rather strongly.

I live about three hours from the area, in the western Maine mountains, so there are not too many people around hear who knowmuch about the case, but older generations clearly remember it being on tv.

[Mr. Fuji]

Originally Posted by Sneaky

Yikes, thats one that I have never seen! What other details can you give me? I would like to read more about it. Thanks in advance.

I don't remember their names, but this story was about a Native American couple and their friend that drove home drunk and slipped on some ice and crashed their car. The two girls were trapped in the car; the guy supposedly was thrown from the vehicle. One of the girls managed to escape from the car, but she shut the door and left, not paying any attention to or trying to help the other girl who was still trapped in the car. The girl who was trapped eventually made it out, but the couple was missing. They later found the couple's bodies, both washed up in a lake that was previously frozen, and they were in different stages of decomposition.

I thought this case was interesting but blatantly obvious. The only logical explanation was that the two people fell into the ice and drowned. It's easy to explain why their bodies were in different stages of decomposition: the male was a big, fat man and the female was much smaller. There was little evidence presented to suggest anything other than this explanation. The only thing that was a mystery to me was why their idiot father let them drive home in the drunken state they were in. On the reenactment, I remember the father saying, "You guys been drinking a lot tonight, huh? Well, drive home safe, see ya later." What an idiot.

[DeeeNah]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fuji

I don't remember their names, but this story was about a Native American couple and their friend that drove home drunk and slipped on some ice and crashed their car. The two girls were trapped in the car; the guy supposedly was thrown from the vehicle. One of the girls managed to escape from the car, but she shut the door and left, not paying any attention to or trying to help the other girl who was still trapped in the car. The girl who was trapped eventually made it out, but the couple was missing. They later found the couple's bodies, both washed up in a lake that was previously frozen, and they were in different stages of decomposition.

I thought this case was interesting but blatantly obvious. The only logical explanation was that the two people fell into the ice and drowned. It's easy to explain why their bodies were in different stages of decomposition: the male was a big, fat man and the female was much smaller. There was little evidence presented to suggest anything other than this explanation. The only thing that was a mystery to me was why their idiot father let them drive home in the drunken state they were in. On the reenactment, I remember the father saying, "You guys been drinking a lot tonight, huh? Well, drive home safe, see ya later." What an idiot.

Just a note, there were sources that their friends spotted the guy a few days after the accident. I'm not too sure how true this was.

Another case that creeps me out is Tara Calico.

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by DeeeNah

Another case that creeps me out is Tara Calico.

I've been watching Unsolved Mysteries since it first came on the air in 1987 and I STILL have not seen the Tara Calico case. Not even once. I've read alot about it on the net and seen the pictures that ended up in Florida - but still, I'm waiting to see it. Do you think Lifetime will ever show it?

[justins5256]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

Do you think Lifetime will ever show it?

No. The last time this was shown was during the 2am installment a few years ago. Have you ever seen the story about the Roswell UFO crash? The Calico case was originally a part of that episode.

I wish Lifetime would bring the 2am slot back. I remember staying up till 2am, having a few drinks, and watching UM for thirty minutes before drifting off to sleep. It was the perfect way to close out the evening.

You would think they could find some time to fit it in somewhere. I mean, the Golden Girls is on how many times?

Justin

[DeeeNah]

Originally Posted by dynoguy88

I've been watching Unsolved Mysteries since it first came on the air in 1987 and I STILL have not seen the Tara Calico case. Not even once. I've read alot about it on the net and seen the pictures that ended up in Florida - but still, I'm waiting to see it. Do you think Lifetime will ever show it?

Do u think the girl in the pictures are her? I'm gonna go off a tangent here and say that I don't think the girl in the picture is her. They look kinda different.

[justins5256]

Originally Posted by DeeeNah

Do u think the girl in the pictures are her? I'm gonna go off a tangent here and say that I don't think the girl in the picture is her. They look kinda different.

That is an interesting theory, and one I've heard elsewhere. In the foreground of the picture, a VC Andrews novel is visable. The title is "My Sweet Audrina". From what I've heard (I myself have not read the novel), the plot focuses on a girl who is held captive in an attic by her grandmother.

I've often wondered if the Calico Polaroid is, in reality, a part of someone's high school literature class project. Maybe they were trying to act out a scene from the book.

On the other hand, "My Sweet Audrina" was supposedly Calico's favorite novel, so it really could go either way...

Justin

[nohwheregirl]

The Native American couple were Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier. While it's a possibility that they fell through the ice and weren't found until spring, the police detective working the case was absolutely adamant that this could not be the case. He had searched the area dozens of times before their bodies showed up, and the ditch where they were found was frozen solid at the time of the accident. If I'm remembering correctly, this took place in one of the northern states (dakotas? montana? idaho?), so it's sort of inconceivable that a shallow body of water would be liquid underneath a few inches of ice in the middle of the winter.

Also, an interesting little fact about the Roswell episode, they showed clips from it (including Bob Stack) on Peter Jenning's special on UFO's last month.