Frasier: out of Cheers shadow? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

TJ · 01-05-2001, 07:38 PM

Will Frasier ever exceed the popularity of Cheers, what do you think?

Richard · 04-02-2001, 04:00 PM

I think Frasier just might have already exceeded Cheers.

callmetootie · 05-14-2001, 04:21 PM

Cheers I think got alot more attention then Frasier in getting now. Cheers was a show with a group of funny and sweet character, who are all different, but they always end up at the cozy little pub. But with Frasier, the characters are all the same, equally annoying and obnoxious. Maybe they should have had Bebe Neuwirth star in Fraiser instead of the 6 or 7 guest appearences that she got.

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LaCeY · 06-09-2001, 07:45 PM

It would be great if Bebe Neuwirth stared in the show.

Dr Lilith Sternin · 01-07-2002, 04:55 PM

It was Bebe's choice not to, or I'm sure she would have starred in it right from the very beginning. She's better off on the stage, making guest appearance here and there on TV! Much better for us theatre freaks.

moofomoo · 01-09-2002, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Lilith Sternin
It was Bebe's choice not to, or I'm sure she would have starred in it right from the very beginning. She's better off on the stage, making guest appearance here and there on TV! Much better for us theatre freaks.

Actually, I don't think it was written for her to star in the show anyways because she and Frasier got divorced, and him moving to Seattle was him getting away from her as well as Boston and all that.

I'm also one of those people who don't much care for her either, so I'm rather glad she isn't in it.

Having only seen her in "Chicago", I don't think I can say anything about her theatre career, even though a friend of mine has worked with her once.

**moo, the theatre Gracie moo**

Dr Lilith Sternin · 01-09-2002, 05:32 PM

I know she wanted to focus on a film career or whatever, which is why Lilith and Frasier ended up getting divorced. She requested to be written off. If she hadn't, I'm sure Lilith would have been a part of the show... although, I believe I read somewhere that Kelsey Grammer didn't want Lilith around... he wanted to start fresh with the series and Lilith was of the past... ya know? I think Frasier would have benefited a lot from having Bebe on it... but what do I know. I loved Frasier and Lilith together!

I saw her in Chicago too, and she was great! I haven't seen her in anything else on stage... where did your friend work with her?

DJM77 · 01-09-2002, 06:52 PM

I seriously don't think that Frasier will ever surpass Cheers in popularity. Cheers was the original and in my opinion Cheers is far better than Fraiser has been or will ever be.

moofomoo · 01-09-2002, 10:18 PM

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Originally posted by Dr Lilith Sternin
I saw her in Chicago too, and she was great! I haven't seen her in anything else on stage... where did your friend work with her?

San Francisco ACT about 2 years ago, when she did Threepenny Opera. My friend and I haven't spoken recently though, and as far as I know she isn't in SF anymore, she's out here in NYC...my friend Lisa, not Bebe.

As for your idea that Lilith and Frasier were great together, let's just say it's more than obvious I don't share your opinion. But to each his/her own

**Gracie moo**

Central Perk · 01-10-2002, 07:03 PM

Lilith and Frasier were great together I think. Frasier suceeded because if you have Niles Frasier and Lilith you probably would have trouble understanding have the sitcom.

In cheers they would say all these big words, that i never understood. If you had lilith there too it would be really scary.

But I still think they were meant to be together. Its like Sam and Diane there perfect for each other but they will eventually marry someone else because.... well just because

TJL · 01-23-2002, 09:55 PM

Frasier has two distinctions:
- It is one of the finest sitcoms on Television.
- It is probably the best example of a spinoff equalling (and possibly surpassing) the quality of the show it was spun off from.

Frasier has been around so long and achieved so much success, i don't think it deserves to be classified as a spin-off.

Central Perk · 01-24-2002, 08:03 AM

I agree it is out of cheers shadow. It has achieved the same quality as cheers....Well personally I still like Cheers better but anyways......It is still a really good show.

Cheerschick47 · 08-07-2002, 08:38 PM

no i dont think it will.personally i think cheers deserves more credit not jus because of the show but becuz without cheers frasier wud never be wat it is.

Jordan · 08-16-2002, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by Richard
I think Frasier just might have already exceeded Cheers.

I think this could be true, too.

barwars · 02-19-2004, 12:42 PM

Cheers is the more popular show, plain and simple.
But in terms of writing and awards.... I think Frasier gets the edge.

01-05-2001, 07:38 PM	#1
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01-07-2002, 04:55 PM	#5
Dr Lilith Sternin The Diva Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 07, 2002 Location: Boston Area Posts: 32	It was Bebe's choice not to, or I'm sure she would have starred in it right from the very beginning. She's better off on the stage, making guest appearance here and there on TV! Much better for us theatre freaks.
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01-09-2002, 06:52 PM	#8
DJM77 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: Missouri Posts: 5,563	I seriously don't think that Frasier will ever surpass Cheers in popularity. Cheers was the original and in my opinion Cheers is far better than Fraiser has been or will ever be.
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01-23-2002, 09:55 PM	#11
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08-07-2002, 08:38 PM	#13
Cheerschick47 Cheers Fanaroo Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 04, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 81	no i dont think it will.personally i think cheers deserves more credit not jus because of the show but becuz without cheers frasier wud never be wat it is.
	__________________ <font size=1><font face=verdana><font color=red><center> <CENTER> http://www.toucan-design.co.uk/sla/cheers/c275_10x.jpg <font size=2><font color=blue> The End Isn't Always Bad <font color=purple> "I, Diane Chambers, born to walk with kings, once offered a full scholarship to the Sorbon, have allowed myself to be attracted to a 6'3" bubblegum card." Cop:Shutup! (keeps talking) Becker:Are you done yet? Cop:Yes. Becker:Theres 2 guys with scrapply hair loading tvs into their car. Cops:Thats our guys! Becker:See! You shouldnt tell me to shut up! Frasier: It was one night of passion! Take from it what you can learn, and move on! Niles: Well, I learned, if you kiss her too fast you get an ice-cream headache. Lilith: You also learned that I have twice your upper body strength, so shut your pie-hole. Frasier:Ill never have the wedding of my dreams.My first one we ran right out to city hall which lacked in ceremony.Then came my second which lacked in bride. Then my third. And if i knew what i know now i would have left Lilith at the buffet table and walked down the isle with an ice sculpture. Lilith:Sam im going to tell you what i tell all my patients..What do you think? Sam:And they pay you for that? Lilith:What do you think?

04-02-2001, 04:00 PM	#2
Richard Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 01, 2000 Location: Cleveland,Ohio-USA Posts: 352	I think Frasier just might have already exceeded Cheers.

05-14-2001, 04:21 PM	#3
callmetootie Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 06, 2001 Location: Clifton Park, NY Posts: 4,768	Cheers I think got alot more attention then Frasier in getting now. Cheers was a show with a group of funny and sweet character, who are all different, but they always end up at the cozy little pub. But with Frasier, the characters are all the same, equally annoying and obnoxious. Maybe they should have had Bebe Neuwirth star in Fraiser instead of the 6 or 7 guest appearences that she got. ------------------ Andrew Carden

06-09-2001, 07:45 PM	#4
LaCeY Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 09, 2001 Posts: 12	It would be great if Bebe Neuwirth stared in the show.

01-09-2002, 05:32 PM	#7
Dr Lilith Sternin The Diva Occasional Poster Join Date: Jan 07, 2002 Location: Boston Area Posts: 32	I know she wanted to focus on a film career or whatever, which is why Lilith and Frasier ended up getting divorced. She requested to be written off. If she hadn't, I'm sure Lilith would have been a part of the show... although, I believe I read somewhere that Kelsey Grammer didn't want Lilith around... he wanted to start fresh with the series and Lilith was of the past... ya know? I think Frasier would have benefited a lot from having Bebe on it... but what do I know. I loved Frasier and Lilith together! I saw her in Chicago too, and she was great! I haven't seen her in anything else on stage... where did your friend work with her?

01-10-2002, 07:03 PM	#10
Central Perk ~~~~~ Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 10, 2002 Posts: 4,553	Lilith and Frasier were great together I think. Frasier suceeded because if you have Niles Frasier and Lilith you probably would have trouble understanding have the sitcom. In cheers they would say all these big words, that i never understood. If you had lilith there too it would be really scary. But I still think they were meant to be together. Its like Sam and Diane there perfect for each other but they will eventually marry someone else because.... well just because

01-24-2002, 08:03 AM	#12
Central Perk ~~~~~ Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 10, 2002 Posts: 4,553	I agree it is out of cheers shadow. It has achieved the same quality as cheers....Well personally I still like Cheers better but anyways......It is still a really good show.

02-19-2004, 12:42 PM	#15
barwars .. Forum Star Join Date: May 04, 2002 Posts: 13,273	Cheers is the more popular show, plain and simple. But in terms of writing and awards.... I think Frasier gets the edge.

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