Is it me, or Beaver became obnoxious when he got older? - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

GARFIELDKOOL · 01-10-2005, 02:58 PM

He became self-centered, bratty, inconsiderate and spoiled. He didn't have respect for Wally and Wally should have beat him to death. Beaver was also very immature. If things didn't go his way, he had a fit. He was also a very sloppy boy. Hair was never combed, and he didn't know how to dress. Also very dumb and gullible. No wonder Larry and Gilbert conned him with ease.

Tonyd · 01-10-2005, 06:09 PM

I will agree that he was "dumb and gullible" in many ways, but I don't really think he was obnoxious. I feel a big part of the problem is that they always wanted to keep him acting like a little kid, even when he wasn't. That is what might have caused him to seem sloppy and stuff too.

WardOleMan · 01-11-2005, 07:01 PM

I think more than anything he became a flat out bad actor. He also appears to be at that "geeky" age as well. I don't enjoy many of the last years episodes other than the ones that center around Wally and his friends.

desilu #1 · 01-11-2005, 07:11 PM

I do agree that there were times when Beaver seemed more obnoxious to me but what drove me crazy was his sloppiness. I said it before and I'll say it again, that kid got very repulsive at that awkward age. Tony seemed to sail right through without a problem but Jerry did not and he didn't do anything to try to cover it up. And whoever said that he just became a bad actor, I think had alot to do with it as well. The writers very well could have kept him "too young", but Jerry could have at least worked on his own appearance. To me, he just didn't care and it was way too obvious. I also noticed that as Jerry got older than he squinted alot and shook his head up and down while talking, like a nervous twitch or something. And that voice of his was unbearable. Ok...I guess I'm done picking on him.

I liked Tony much better.

OK Beaver Fan 89 · 01-11-2005, 08:14 PM

Hi Amy! Yeah I guess we could call this the "bash the Beav" thread.

His whole character in the later years was really pretty awful to me. Espcially his hair, which was so awful. I wonder why someone (the producers, his parents, etc.) didn't do something about it?

Mijada · 01-12-2005, 08:08 PM

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His whole character in the later years was really pretty awful to me. Espcially his hair, which was so awful. I wonder why someone (the producers, his parents, etc.) didn't do something about it?[/QUOTE]

I was always grossed out by his hair in those later seasons too. It never looked like he ever washed it. Gilbert, Richard and Whitey always took more pride in their clothes and hair than Beaver ever did. I agree that the problem with that was the creators of the show or whoever wanted to keep him a little kid for too long.

jehobden · 01-13-2005, 02:16 AM

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I do agree that there were times when Beaver seemed more obnoxious to me but what drove me crazy was his sloppiness. I said it before and I'll say it again, that kid got very repulsive at that awkward age.

Hmm, this whole sentence reminds me of the 5th season ep, "Nobody Loves Me" (where Gus and Miss Landers make their last original appearances). Beaver and Richard thought of themselves as both repulsive and awkward then.

While I thought Beav was pretty bratty that last year, I still enjoyed the last season of the show more than any others. At least Beaver could speak complete words and sentences by then.

rockrgurl71111 · 01-13-2005, 09:32 PM

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He became self-centered, bratty, inconsiderate and spoiled. He didn't have respect for Wally and Wally should have beat him to death. Beaver was also very immature. If things didn't go his way, he had a fit. He was also a very sloppy boy. Hair was never combed, and he didn't know how to dress. Also very dumb and gullible. No wonder Larry and Gilbert conned him with ease.

yeah he did alittle.

rockrgurl71111 · 01-13-2005, 09:33 PM

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His whole character in the later years was really pretty awful to me. Espcially his hair, which was so awful. I wonder why someone (the producers, his parents, etc.) didn't do something about it?[/QUOTE

I was always grossed out by his hair in those later seasons too. It never looked like he ever washed it. Gilbert, Richard and Whitey always took more pride in their clothes and hair than Beaver ever did. I agree that the problem with that was the creators of the show or whoever wanted to keep him a little kid for too long.

what did he look like in TNLITB?

miss landers · 01-14-2005, 05:36 AM

LITB was originally premised on the follies of a little 7 year old boy. People tuned in to see a cute little kid doing silly stuff and getting into and out of trouble. And the viewers became used to it. But Jerry Mathers grew up way too fast. When he became as tall as Wally, it was asking just a little too much of the audience to believe that 12 year old Beave could be just as dumb and as cute as a 7 year old. Wally began getting more and more time on the show because Beaver (through no fault of his own) went over the top - he simply became unbelievable. It was a pain watching him. In watching the last two years of the series, it's difficult for me to believe that a big kid like the Beave could be as dumb as a 7 year old. It's though he's learned nothing from the mistakes he's made in past episodes. He continues to make the same mistakes over and over and has to be lectured again and again by his dad. The Wally episodes of the last two seasons are refreshing however. In some of the them, Beaver has a very, very limited role and in some episodes Mathers presence could have been dispensed with entirely to make a tighter episode. And I agree about his appearance. He did look greasy and stinky. How sad for the great Beave.

GARFIELDKOOL · 01-14-2005, 11:47 AM

I also didn't like the episode where he gave June the silent treatment just because he wanted to hang with Wally and Eddie and she wanted him to go to the store instead. What a bitch-ass attitude!

~*KristenCleaver*~ · 01-14-2005, 07:15 PM

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I also didn't like the episode where he gave June the silent treatment just because he wanted to hang with Wally and Eddie and she wanted him to go to the store instead. What a bitch-ass attitude!

I found that a little harsh too! You guys are right about Beaver growing out of his character in the last two seasons. I think that he was a little too old to be doing that!

desilu #1 · 01-14-2005, 08:34 PM

About his self-centeredness, he went from one extreme to the other. If you all recall the episode "baby picture", you will remember that he went to extremes to make sure he put his mother's feelings ahead of his because he simply didn't want to make her cry. Of course if he had, Ward would have smoked him!

At the end, instead of taking the chance on hurting June's feelings and asking her for a different photo, Ward cut off his bare butt in the photo! AWWWW!! But then in the later years as in the silent treatment, he had no quams about hurting his mother over that trip to the store! Lucky for the little creep that he didn't reduce her to tears, then I think Ward would have dragged his sloppy ass to the shed!

~*KristenCleaver*~ · 01-14-2005, 10:17 PM

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About his self-centeredness, he went from one extreme to the other. If you all recall the episode "baby picture", you will remember that he went to extremes to make sure he put his mother's feelings ahead of his because he simply didn't want to make her cry. Of course if he had, Ward would have smoked him!

At the end, instead of taking the chance on hurting June's feelings and asking her for a different photo, Ward cut off his bare butt in the photo! AWWWW!! But then in the later years as in the silent treatment, he had no quams about hurting his mother over that trip to the store! Lucky for the little creep that he didn't reduce her to tears, then I think Ward would have dragged his sloppy ass to the shed!

LOL you are bad! Yeah the script writers were inconsistant in some ways.

desilu #1 · 01-14-2005, 10:40 PM

Not to beat a dead horse but, thinking about it,i'm not so sure that it was inconsistant in this matter because I often wonder if sometimes we all don't get somewhat self-centered as we get older. But, I still think that he should have gotten his ass whooped because he really had her on the verge of tears all through the episode. Now, as for Ward, they were very inconsistant with him because if you recall in the earlier years, he put emphasis on the boys not upsetting their mother and I'm sure that included making her cry. He would get real ticked off when he yelled at them and would say,"can't you see you have upset your mother?" That sure was a sore spot with him because Ward always seemed so considerate of her feelings.

01-10-2005, 06:09 PM	#2
Tonyd Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 27, 2004 Location: Lawton Oklahoma USA! Posts: 720	I will agree that he was "dumb and gullible" in many ways, but I don't really think he was obnoxious. I feel a big part of the problem is that they always wanted to keep him acting like a little kid, even when he wasn't. That is what might have caused him to seem sloppy and stuff too.
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01-11-2005, 07:11 PM	#4
desilu #1 Lucy/Desi 4-EVER Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 23, 2000 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan USA Posts: 724	I do agree that there were times when Beaver seemed more obnoxious to me but what drove me crazy was his sloppiness. I said it before and I'll say it again, that kid got very repulsive at that awkward age. Tony seemed to sail right through without a problem but Jerry did not and he didn't do anything to try to cover it up. And whoever said that he just became a bad actor, I think had alot to do with it as well. The writers very well could have kept him "too young", but Jerry could have at least worked on his own appearance. To me, he just didn't care and it was way too obvious. I also noticed that as Jerry got older than he squinted alot and shook his head up and down while talking, like a nervous twitch or something. And that voice of his was unbearable. Ok...I guess I'm done picking on him. I liked Tony much better.
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01-11-2005, 08:14 PM	#5
OK Beaver Fan 89 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 11, 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 283	Hi Amy! Yeah I guess we could call this the "bash the Beav" thread. His whole character in the later years was really pretty awful to me. Espcially his hair, which was so awful. I wonder why someone (the producers, his parents, etc.) didn't do something about it?
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01-14-2005, 05:36 AM	#10
miss landers Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 29, 2004 Location: Northeast Posts: 226	Beaver Growing Up LITB was originally premised on the follies of a little 7 year old boy. People tuned in to see a cute little kid doing silly stuff and getting into and out of trouble. And the viewers became used to it. But Jerry Mathers grew up way too fast. When he became as tall as Wally, it was asking just a little too much of the audience to believe that 12 year old Beave could be just as dumb and as cute as a 7 year old. Wally began getting more and more time on the show because Beaver (through no fault of his own) went over the top - he simply became unbelievable. It was a pain watching him. In watching the last two years of the series, it's difficult for me to believe that a big kid like the Beave could be as dumb as a 7 year old. It's though he's learned nothing from the mistakes he's made in past episodes. He continues to make the same mistakes over and over and has to be lectured again and again by his dad. The Wally episodes of the last two seasons are refreshing however. In some of the them, Beaver has a very, very limited role and in some episodes Mathers presence could have been dispensed with entirely to make a tighter episode. And I agree about his appearance. He did look greasy and stinky. How sad for the great Beave.

01-10-2005, 02:58 PM	#1
GARFIELDKOOL Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 02, 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,204	Is it me, or Beaver became obnoxious when he got older? He became self-centered, bratty, inconsiderate and spoiled. He didn't have respect for Wally and Wally should have beat him to death. Beaver was also very immature. If things didn't go his way, he had a fit. He was also a very sloppy boy. Hair was never combed, and he didn't know how to dress. Also very dumb and gullible. No wonder Larry and Gilbert conned him with ease.

01-11-2005, 07:01 PM	#3
WardOleMan Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 43	I think more than anything he became a flat out bad actor. He also appears to be at that "geeky" age as well. I don't enjoy many of the last years episodes other than the ones that center around Wally and his friends.

01-12-2005, 08:08 PM	#6
Mijada Spencers mom Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 02, 2001 Location: eastern US Posts: 4,093	[QUOTE= His whole character in the later years was really pretty awful to me. Espcially his hair, which was so awful. I wonder why someone (the producers, his parents, etc.) didn't do something about it?[/QUOTE] I was always grossed out by his hair in those later seasons too. It never looked like he ever washed it. Gilbert, Richard and Whitey always took more pride in their clothes and hair than Beaver ever did. I agree that the problem with that was the creators of the show or whoever wanted to keep him a little kid for too long.

01-14-2005, 11:47 AM	#11
GARFIELDKOOL Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Sep 02, 2004 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,204	I also didn't like the episode where he gave June the silent treatment just because he wanted to hang with Wally and Eddie and she wanted him to go to the store instead. What a bitch-ass attitude!

01-14-2005, 08:34 PM	#13
desilu #1 Lucy/Desi 4-EVER Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 23, 2000 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan USA Posts: 724	About his self-centeredness, he went from one extreme to the other. If you all recall the episode "baby picture", you will remember that he went to extremes to make sure he put his mother's feelings ahead of his because he simply didn't want to make her cry. Of course if he had, Ward would have smoked him! At the end, instead of taking the chance on hurting June's feelings and asking her for a different photo, Ward cut off his bare butt in the photo! AWWWW!! But then in the later years as in the silent treatment, he had no quams about hurting his mother over that trip to the store! Lucky for the little creep that he didn't reduce her to tears, then I think Ward would have dragged his sloppy ass to the shed!

01-14-2005, 10:40 PM	#15
desilu #1 Lucy/Desi 4-EVER Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 23, 2000 Location: Battle Creek, Michigan USA Posts: 724	Not to beat a dead horse but, thinking about it,i'm not so sure that it was inconsistant in this matter because I often wonder if sometimes we all don't get somewhat self-centered as we get older. But, I still think that he should have gotten his ass whooped because he really had her on the verge of tears all through the episode. Now, as for Ward, they were very inconsistant with him because if you recall in the earlier years, he put emphasis on the boys not upsetting their mother and I'm sure that included making her cry. He would get real ticked off when he yelled at them and would say,"can't you see you have upset your mother?" That sure was a sore spot with him because Ward always seemed so considerate of her feelings.