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tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 07:15 PM

Seinfeld's OK, but I like Raymond.

slackermonkey · 12-12-2004, 08:30 PM

Seinfeld, easily. One of the best and most unique sitcoms ever.

tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 08:43 PM

I only watched a couple seasons of Seinfeld. How is it "unique"? The seasons I watched were about 4 people living in N.Y. When did it get "unique"? I've been trying to watch the reruns on TBS for about a month but all the episodes seem almost about nothing. Please help.

Dean Winchester · 12-12-2004, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by tylerjjj
I only watched a couple seasons of Seinfeld. How is it "unique"? The seasons I watched were about 4 people living in N.Y. When did it get "unique"? I've been trying to watch the reruns on TBS for about a month but all the episodes seem almost about nothing. Please help.

good god, you're not getting the point of Seinfeld. It's a show about nothing, that's the whole gimmick of the show.

Seinfeld gets my vote, ELR bores me.

tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 08:56 PM

So your saying its unique because its about nothing. Tellatubbies must be pretty unique, too

slackermonkey · 12-12-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by tylerjjj
I only watched a couple seasons of Seinfeld. How is it "unique"? The seasons I watched were about 4 people living in N.Y. When did it get "unique"? I've been trying to watch the reruns on TBS for about a month but all the episodes seem almost about nothing. Please help.

- intentionally unlikeable characters with no redeeming qualities
- story-driven
- "show about nothing," only show to really explore the minutae of everyday life
- has contributed more slang into our vernacular than any other show, i.e. "spongeworthy"
- subplots will often intersect by the end of the episode
- has done such episodes as "The Chinese Restaurant," "The Parking Garage" and "The Betrayal," using concepts and gimmicks no other show has done

And that's just off the top of my head.

There has never been another show like Seinfeld and there never will be. It's in a class of its own.

slackermonkey · 12-12-2004, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by tylerjjj
So your saying its unique because its about nothing. Tellatubbies must be pretty unique, too

Once again, you missed the point. Seinfeld's "nothing" is not the same as Teletubbies' "nothing."

barwars · 12-12-2004, 09:27 PM

Absolute no-brainer.
Seinfeld, by far.

This is like comparing apples and oranges.... wait, no, both apples and oranges are good.

Seinfeld is great....
and ELR just blows.

tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 09:33 PM

I liked all the characters in Seinfeld, and Roseanne "explored the minutae of everyday life", and has done such episodes as "A Stash From the Past, and featured the very first same-sex kiss on TV, "using concepts and gimmicks no other show has done." AND THATS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

slackermonkey · 12-12-2004, 09:51 PM

The characters were such that you would enjoy watching them, but their behavior and actions would be horrible. They never evolved, nor did they learn any life lessons in any episode.

Roseanne did not explore minutae like Seinfeld did. Seinfeld did it to a trivial extent, overexamining things that really didn't matter in the first place.

Explain how "A Stash From the Past" used concepts and gimmicks along the lines of Seinfeld. I've never seen that episode, but I doubt it was anything like the three episodes I mentioned.

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AND THATS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD

Dude, no need to get snippy. We're just having a discussion. It's all opinions, I respect yours, you should respect mine.

tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 09:59 PM

"A Stash From the Past" is one if not the only episode to have a husband and wife ( who are trying to have a baby) smoking pot in a bathroom.

tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 10:02 PM

Your right. I am getting snippy. I have a type of virus that makes me really achy and gives me a headache. Sorry about anything that comes out snippy in advance.

tylerjjj · 12-12-2004, 10:03 PM

I don't mean to not respect your opinion.

slackermonkey · 12-12-2004, 10:05 PM

Okay, that comparison doesn't work at all, because I was talking about storytelling gimmicks/concepts, not what was a historical first for a sitcom. It's not even close to the same thing.

"The Chinese Restaurant" was an episode that was told entirely in real-time, something no show had done before, though several have copied it since. There was really no plot and the episode was staged in one small location for all 22 minutes, with nothing but the interaction between the characters holding the episode together.

"The Betrayal" was an episode told backwards, from ending to beginning, never done before and not even attempted since.

slackermonkey · 12-12-2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by tylerjjj
I don't mean to not respect your opinion.

It's okay. I was just wondering what the problem was since I'm always careful not to accidentally insult anyone in these types of discussions.

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12-12-2004, 07:15 PM	#1
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	Seinfeld or Everybody Loves Raymond Seinfeld's OK, but I like Raymond.

12-12-2004, 08:30 PM	#2
slackermonkey the big yellow joint Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,779	Seinfeld, easily. One of the best and most unique sitcoms ever.
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12-12-2004, 08:43 PM	#3
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	I only watched a couple seasons of Seinfeld. How is it "unique"? The seasons I watched were about 4 people living in N.Y. When did it get "unique"? I've been trying to watch the reruns on TBS for about a month but all the episodes seem almost about nothing. Please help.

12-12-2004, 08:56 PM	#5
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	So your saying its unique because its about nothing. Tellatubbies must be pretty unique, too

12-12-2004, 09:27 PM	#8
barwars .. Forum Star Join Date: May 04, 2002 Posts: 13,273	Absolute no-brainer. Seinfeld, by far. This is like comparing apples and oranges.... wait, no, both apples and oranges are good. Seinfeld is great.... and ELR just blows.

12-12-2004, 09:33 PM	#9
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	I liked all the characters in Seinfeld, and Roseanne "explored the minutae of everyday life", and has done such episodes as "A Stash From the Past, and featured the very first same-sex kiss on TV, "using concepts and gimmicks no other show has done." AND THATS JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

12-12-2004, 09:59 PM	#11
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	"A Stash From the Past" is one if not the only episode to have a husband and wife ( who are trying to have a baby) smoking pot in a bathroom.

12-12-2004, 10:02 PM	#12
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	Your right. I am getting snippy. I have a type of virus that makes me really achy and gives me a headache. Sorry about anything that comes out snippy in advance.

12-12-2004, 10:03 PM	#13
tylerjjj Member Forum Regular Join Date: Sep 17, 2004 Posts: 570	I don't mean to not respect your opinion.

12-12-2004, 10:05 PM	#14
slackermonkey the big yellow joint Senior Member Join Date: Oct 05, 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,779	Okay, that comparison doesn't work at all, because I was talking about storytelling gimmicks/concepts, not what was a historical first for a sitcom. It's not even close to the same thing. "The Chinese Restaurant" was an episode that was told entirely in real-time, something no show had done before, though several have copied it since. There was really no plot and the episode was staged in one small location for all 22 minutes, with nothing but the interaction between the characters holding the episode together. "The Betrayal" was an episode told backwards, from ending to beginning, never done before and not even attempted since.