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starlette · 12-10-2004, 07:43 AM

This is my first post so forgive me if this has been covered before. What do you think happened to these two girls?

On December 29th 1999, Ashley Freeman celebrated her 16th birthday at her mobile home in Vinita, Oklahoma with her friend Lauria Bible and her boyfriend, Jeremy Hurst. Jeremy left around 9:30pm. Lauria spent the night. Around 5:30am, someone noticed flames at the mobile home and called police. When they arrived the Freeman mobile home was completely burnt. Authorities found the body of Ashley's mother, Kathy Freeman with a gunshot wound to the head. This led them to speculate that Kathy's husband, Danny Freeman, had killed her and abducted both girls.
The next day, however, Lauria Bible's mother Lorene, searched the burnt home and discovered the body of Danny Freeman. How could the authorities have missed this? Dwayne Vancil, Danny's brother, believes that the Sheriff's department contracted out the killing, and abducted the girls to make the murders look like something they were not. For months, it had been rumored in Vinita that the Craig County Sheriff's Department had been feuding with the Freemans. It began when Danny's son, Shane, was shot and killed by a deputy after he had stolen a truck and a neighbor's gun. Although Shane's killing was ruled justifiable, the Freeman's threatened to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the Sheriff's Department. According to some, the Freeman's accusations provoked deputies to intimidate the family. But the sheriff's department has denied any involvement in the incident. Others wonder if Danny was killed over drugs and the girls were abducted by the murderers. A $50,000 reward has turned up few leads.

ddelta · 12-10-2004, 10:44 AM

Honestly, I believe that the Sheriffs County was responsible or hired someone to do it.

I think they made it look like that the Father was not in the house to make it look like he killed his wife and kidnapped the girls. That would make him out to look really bad and give no credit to him with his accusations about the sheriff. There is just no way they did not realize this man was in the burnt out remains of the house, especially since Mrs. Bible found him just by looking over the burnt out remains of the house. How can a non-pro see something that a whole group of pro's supposedly did not see. Just does not jive in my book and i have never heard of such a thing.

I think they took the two girls and killed them at a different spot.

Mystery Lover · 08-26-2008, 09:25 AM

So this case just baffles me. I wonder what could have happened to these 2 girls.

People just don't vanish like that.

Does anyone think that maybe the girls were burnt so bad that they couldn't be found?

Or is everyone agreeing that they were abducted and murdered later?

Whatever happened... this is a sad case.

crystaldawn · 08-26-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystery Lover

So this case just baffles me. I wonder what could have happened to these 2 girls.

People just don't vanish like that.

Does anyone think that maybe the girls were burnt so bad that they couldn't be found?

Or is everyone agreeing that they were abducted and murdered later?

Whatever happened... this is a sad case.

Here's Lauria's Charley Project page and it gives a lot of info and some theories as to what may have happened to them:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bible_lauria.html

Mastermind · 08-26-2008, 11:09 AM

I wonder if it was true that the father was involved with the drug trade.

I wonder how deep he was involved.

Mystery Lover · 08-26-2008, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Here's Lauria's Charley Project page and it gives a lot of info and some theories as to what may have happened to them:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bible_lauria.html

I just read that whole page. I have say that its very interesting.

What I don't understand is this...

Lorene Bible, Lauria's mother, said that Kathy Freeman, Ashley's mother, took the girls to the Pizza Hut in Vinita, Oklahoma during the evening. Lorene's statement contradicts authorities' belief that Kathy and the girls visited Big Bill's Barbeque in the 350 block of North Wilson Street in Vinita, Oklahoma.

What does that mean? Does it really matter where they went to eat? Do they think they somehow came into contact with someone who would follow them home and kill them?

Why do the police think that they ate at Big Bill's BBQ?

Can anyone make sense of this?

hottstuff25 · 08-26-2008, 11:39 AM

Wow there is a LOT of information within that Charley Project overview. So many killings, leads, and investigations within this one Missing children case. Their brother was shot and killed by the cops, DeAnna Dorsey was shot and killed, her potential killer was also shot and killed. Two other suspects both claimed they killed the girls and buried their bodies. The cops are suspects because they killed the brother. The father was involved in a drug ring. And the bodies are still not found.

How could so much potential information spring up in such a remote area? Information overload.

Zlatko · 03-26-2009, 02:34 AM

I had to revive this thread after watching the case. I must say, the whole idea that the girls shot their parents, burned their house down, and fled is simply absurd. Ashley Freeman left her wallet, and license at the house. So, she went on the road without her license? Again, just absurd.

I doubt the police were involved in these murders. What would they gain from killing the Freemans? Free land? To add to that, the police would probably leave no trace of evidence had they committed the crime. Whoever Danny Freeman was involved(drug dealers likely) with at the time; they were the ones who killed the Freemans, and abducted the two girls. Unfortunately, I doubt either girl is alive.

Apostapler · 03-26-2009, 03:49 AM

Anyone else think since they did such a bang-up job of searching for bodies the first time, that Lauria and Ashley's remains are still at or near the scene somewhere? I'm not ruling it out.

TracyLynnS · 03-26-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Apostapler

Anyone else think since they did such a bang-up job of searching for bodies the first time, that Lauria and Ashley's remains are still at or near the scene somewhere? I'm not ruling it out.

I don't think so, but only because the mother was found in such good condition that the coroner issued a time of death as 5:00am that day. (Otherwise, I wouldn't trust those dumbass podunkers to search my dog for fleas. I can't believe that they knew they had four possible victims, yet found one body and stopped looking.)

Also, when Mr. and Mrs. Bible found Mr. Freeman's body, they were able to determine right away that it was male, and they're not trained in any way to identify bodies. Gross info: (Remember, the entire top of his head, from the jaw upward was missing, so there was no way to ID him by recognizing his face.) He was also so well intact that the coroner noted a broken collar bone, likely suffered before the fatal gunshot wound.

I'm guessing that after finding the remains of Mr. Freeman, the Bibles would have either insisted the property be completely searched, or they would have actually looked for the girls themselves.

And I'm going to say some more gross and disgusting stuff here: When a body is incinerated in a fire, usually large amounts of identifiable bone will still be left behind, even if all the flesh and organs are gone. Crematories have to grind up the bones after they cremate a body for the end result to become the powderish cremains. There have been several murderers who have disposed of their victims by setting fire to the body, but it had to burn for more than a day, then they ground the remaining bones and scattered them.

I also noticed that there's a discrepancy between the Charley Project page and the UM segment. Charley project says that Mr. Bible found the body, and the UM segment shows and talks about Mrs. Bible discovering the body. One of them goofed up a kind of important part of the case, Who Discovered the Body?

TracyLynnS · 03-26-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mastermind

I wonder if it was true that the father was involved with the drug trade.

I wonder how deep he was involved.

Mastermind, I know you asked this question a year ago, but I'm thinking that if Mr. Freeman was selling drugs, he was probably just a small time dealer selling to a few locals and that was it.

I don't think he could have been in very deeply because of his lifestyle. They didn't even have running water at their trailer home and his wife and daughter had to stop at his mother in law's house that night to pick up water for the family's use.

So that means that they didn't even have enough money for a well. Not even an old hand pump well out in the yard.

They did have a phone and electricity. They heated the house with a woodstove instead of a furnace, but that's not uncommon for country folks. But not having water is weird, imo.

Zlatko · 03-26-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Mastermind, I know you asked this question a year ago, but I'm thinking that if Mr. Freeman was selling drugs, he was probably just a small time dealer selling to a few locals and that was it.

I don't think he could have been in very deeply because of his lifestyle. They didn't even have running water at their trailer home and his wife and daughter had to stop at his mother in law's house that night to pick up water for the family's use.

So that means that they didn't even have enough money for a well. Not even an old hand pump well out in the yard.

They did have a phone and electricity. They heated the house with a woodstove instead of a furnace, but that's not uncommon for country folks. But not having water is weird, imo.

That's quite true, someone involved in drug dealing would probably have a more lavish lifestyle. But it begs the question, who would want to kill the Freemans, and abduct the girls? Neither the police, or drug dealers seem likely at this point.

synthisislab · 03-26-2009, 12:37 PM

I get this eerie feeling that someone was infatuated by one of the girls and they were the true target of a rapist and killing the others was incidental to him abducting the girls similar to that parolee child rapist creep up north (Joseph Edward Duncan III) that abducted those 2 kids after taking out the family. If it was about drugs, they probably wouldn't abduct the girls unless it was a Mexican drug gang that took them into sexual slavery. I don't think the police would hit a whole family like this if they wanted to just get the father, no matter how corrupt they are. Or maybe I'm wrong and the girls' abduction was just a smokescreen to the killing of the father. This one has too many dimensions to it and until the girls are found or the perpetrators talk, we'll probably never know for sure.

browneyes106 · 03-26-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Apostapler

Anyone else think since they did such a bang-up job of searching for bodies the first time, that Lauria and Ashley's remains are still at or near the scene somewhere? I'm not ruling it out.

I kind of something like that could have happened.

Mastermind · 03-26-2009, 01:35 PM

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Mastermind, I know you asked this question a year ago, but I'm thinking that if Mr. Freeman was selling drugs, he was probably just a small time dealer selling to a few locals and that was it.

I don't think he could have been in very deeply because of his lifestyle. They didn't even have running water at their trailer home and his wife and daughter had to stop at his mother in law's house that night to pick up water for the family's use.

Even if Mr. Freeman was small time, drug dealers tend to be intolerant of any competition in the area regardless of their size. They would squash or send a message to a small time dealer just as a warning to others who invade their territory. Also keep in mind that small drug dealers can become large ones very quickly.

In small towns like that one, it is very common for the police to be in bed with the drug dealers.

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I don't think he could have been in very deeply because of his lifestyle. They didn't even have running water at their trailer home and his wife and daughter had to stop at his mother in law's house that night to pick up water for the family's use

Some of the worst drug hustlers in Detroit still live in projects with no electricity and still live off footstamps.

Your right, though. If Mr Freeman was a drug dealer, he was low level.

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I get this eerie feeling that someone was infatuated by one of the girls and they were the true target of a rapist and killing the others was incidental to him abducting the girls similar to that parolee child rapist creep up north (Joseph Edward Duncan III) that abducted those 2 kids after taking out the family.

Possible. But If that's true it would have to be Ashley Freeman he was infatuated with since it was the Freemans trailer.

12-10-2004, 07:43 AM	#1
starlette Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 10, 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 10	Ashley Freeman & Lauria Bible This is my first post so forgive me if this has been covered before. What do you think happened to these two girls? On December 29th 1999, Ashley Freeman celebrated her 16th birthday at her mobile home in Vinita, Oklahoma with her friend Lauria Bible and her boyfriend, Jeremy Hurst. Jeremy left around 9:30pm. Lauria spent the night. Around 5:30am, someone noticed flames at the mobile home and called police. When they arrived the Freeman mobile home was completely burnt. Authorities found the body of Ashley's mother, Kathy Freeman with a gunshot wound to the head. This led them to speculate that Kathy's husband, Danny Freeman, had killed her and abducted both girls. The next day, however, Lauria Bible's mother Lorene, searched the burnt home and discovered the body of Danny Freeman. How could the authorities have missed this? Dwayne Vancil, Danny's brother, believes that the Sheriff's department contracted out the killing, and abducted the girls to make the murders look like something they were not. For months, it had been rumored in Vinita that the Craig County Sheriff's Department had been feuding with the Freemans. It began when Danny's son, Shane, was shot and killed by a deputy after he had stolen a truck and a neighbor's gun. Although Shane's killing was ruled justifiable, the Freeman's threatened to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the Sheriff's Department. According to some, the Freeman's accusations provoked deputies to intimidate the family. But the sheriff's department has denied any involvement in the incident. Others wonder if Danny was killed over drugs and the girls were abducted by the murderers. A $50,000 reward has turned up few leads.

12-10-2004, 10:44 AM	#2
ddelta Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Posts: 218	Honestly, I believe that the Sheriffs County was responsible or hired someone to do it. I think they made it look like that the Father was not in the house to make it look like he killed his wife and kidnapped the girls. That would make him out to look really bad and give no credit to him with his accusations about the sheriff. There is just no way they did not realize this man was in the burnt out remains of the house, especially since Mrs. Bible found him just by looking over the burnt out remains of the house. How can a non-pro see something that a whole group of pro's supposedly did not see. Just does not jive in my book and i have never heard of such a thing. I think they took the two girls and killed them at a different spot.

08-26-2008, 09:25 AM	#3
Mystery Lover Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 13, 2005 Posts: 175	So this case just baffles me. I wonder what could have happened to these 2 girls. People just don't vanish like that. Does anyone think that maybe the girls were burnt so bad that they couldn't be found? Or is everyone agreeing that they were abducted and murdered later? Whatever happened... this is a sad case.

08-26-2008, 11:09 AM	#5
Mastermind Member Senior Member Join Date: Jul 16, 2008 Posts: 1,843	I wonder if it was true that the father was involved with the drug trade. I wonder how deep he was involved.

08-26-2008, 11:39 AM	#7
hottstuff25 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 42	Wow there is a LOT of information within that Charley Project overview. So many killings, leads, and investigations within this one Missing children case. Their brother was shot and killed by the cops, DeAnna Dorsey was shot and killed, her potential killer was also shot and killed. Two other suspects both claimed they killed the girls and buried their bodies. The cops are suspects because they killed the brother. The father was involved in a drug ring. And the bodies are still not found. How could so much potential information spring up in such a remote area? Information overload.

03-26-2009, 02:34 AM	#8
Zlatko Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 04, 2008 Location: Nowhereland Posts: 367	I had to revive this thread after watching the case. I must say, the whole idea that the girls shot their parents, burned their house down, and fled is simply absurd. Ashley Freeman left her wallet, and license at the house. So, she went on the road without her license? Again, just absurd. I doubt the police were involved in these murders. What would they gain from killing the Freemans? Free land? To add to that, the police would probably leave no trace of evidence had they committed the crime. Whoever Danny Freeman was involved(drug dealers likely) with at the time; they were the ones who killed the Freemans, and abducted the two girls. Unfortunately, I doubt either girl is alive.

03-26-2009, 03:49 AM	#9
Apostapler Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 06, 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 872	Anyone else think since they did such a bang-up job of searching for bodies the first time, that Lauria and Ashley's remains are still at or near the scene somewhere? I'm not ruling it out.

03-26-2009, 12:37 PM	#13
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	I get this eerie feeling that someone was infatuated by one of the girls and they were the true target of a rapist and killing the others was incidental to him abducting the girls similar to that parolee child rapist creep up north (Joseph Edward Duncan III) that abducted those 2 kids after taking out the family. If it was about drugs, they probably wouldn't abduct the girls unless it was a Mexican drug gang that took them into sexual slavery. I don't think the police would hit a whole family like this if they wanted to just get the father, no matter how corrupt they are. Or maybe I'm wrong and the girls' abduction was just a smokescreen to the killing of the father. This one has too many dimensions to it and until the girls are found or the perpetrators talk, we'll probably never know for sure.