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Hey, I've searched the board for a murder in Rhode Island shown on a really early Unsolved Mysteries. It would have been one of Robert Stack's first shows. Anyone remember these 2 young girls bludgeoned to death (actually think one survived) in their basement whilst doing their washing. I can remember seeing them laying in a pool of blood and I can remember the attacker was let in their homes by one of the girls young sons. I can remember seeing blood all over his baseball ball as he let himself out. That STILL gives me the shivers 16 years later...
Also one of the first FINAL APPEAL (with Karl Malden) cases involved a man on a Flordia Island drinking with his friends and he goes off to sleep. He claims he is awakened by gunshots and witnesses he friends being killed and flees back to the mainland by swimming from Island to Island. His name was Glen Consogra (spelling?) Anyone remember. There, I wont get much sleep tonight =/ |
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Yes, I remember both of those stories. The two women who were bludgeoned were Susan Laferte and Doreen Bacard. Doreen died of her injuries and Susan recovered I believe. Yes, that was a pretty graphic reenactment with the guys blood covered rag in his pocket. A man named Raymond Tempest was arrested years later for the murder of Doreen. I think the statute of limitations had expired so they weren't able to charge him with Susan's assault.
Yes, I have seen the Glen Consagra case a few times. Do you think he's guilty? I tend to think he is not. |
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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?n...id=24361&rfi=6
Speaking of the Rhode Island murder, I found a recent article on the case. It is dated October 21, 2004. It says that a judge has ordered DNA testing of some of the evidence (including hairs and blood) found at the crime scene. Raymond "Beaver" Tempest claims he is innocent of the murder of Doreen Picard (the actual spelling of Doreen's last name). By the way, the other woman attacked DID survive. She was interviewed on the show, but her identity was concealed for her protection. |
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Thanks for the replies and info. As with Glen Consogra case, I'm not sure if he is innocent or not. I've only seen it when it was first broadcast in Australia. At the time and 16 years younger than I am today, I thought he was innocent but now when I think about what I can remember of the case I've changed my opinion. Didn't he buy a gun and was bragging about going to kill those people/friends? I'm not sure as it's been so long since I have seen it. Didn't he get life with parole after 20 years? That would mean he could be out of jail now.
While I have some minds ticking over, anyone remember these 2 kids in Texas going on a killing spree one night? Anyways, again much thanks =) |
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Ironically... I was just going through tapes(just bought a DVD recorder so I can transfer them now) and stumbled across this segment.
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I think he is guilty for four reasons: 1. He lied. He initially told authorities that he wasn't on the island at the time the murders took place. 2. Witnesses verified that Consagra threatened one of the victims in the days prior to the murder. Apparently the guy owed Consagra a great deal of money, and had refused to pay. 3. Consagra plead no contest to the murders. I don't buy his claim that someone told him he wouldn't get life if he entered such a plea. I got the impression there was a fair amount of plea bargaining taking place, and no reasonable person is going to agree to enter a plea unless they know what the outcome is going to be. Bottom line: he knew what was coming. 4. Consagra has never been able to name the “real” killers, despite the fact that he knew both of them before the murders. Just my two cents. JS |
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Yes, I remember the two teenage boys who went on a killing spree. That is one of the most disturbing UM segments to watch, in my opinion. Especially how the old men were beaten. They did have an update on the end that said they had arrested two suspects. They certainly didn't look like the psycho killers I had imagined, they looked like the boy next door type.
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I remember both of those cases. The Rhode Island one doesn't bother me too much now but when I first saw it when it originally aired it really gave me the creeps.
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It has been awhile since I've seen the segment about the two women who were attacked in Rhode Island but if I remember correctly, police had several possible theories about the attacker. Wasn't one of the victims running an ad about an apartment? It also seems like one of them was selling some puppies. Again, I'm not 100% certain, but it seems to me that police were wondering if the attacker had initially come to the house in response to one of the ads. I was disappointed that the update (about the Tempest arrest) didn't give any details about his motive or connection to the victims.
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It last aired on October 4th at 1pm ET.
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Tempest DNA tests are in - 2 years later
By:RUSS OLIVO, Staff Writer 06/30/2007 Email to a friendPost a CommentPrinter-friendly WOONSOCKET - More than two years after a Superior Court judge ordered DNA tests in convicted murderer Raymond D. "Beaver" Tempest's bid for a new trial, the results are finally in the hands of state prosecutors and defense lawyers. No one is saying what the results indicate, or what they plan to do with them, however. "We're not commenting on anything right now," said Jennifer Chunias, a lawyer with the Boston-based New England Innocence Project. Tempest, 54, was convicted of second-degree murder in 1992 for beating 22-year-old Doreen C. Picard to death with a pipe and is serving 85 years at the Adult Correctional Institutions, Cranston. In late 2004, however, the NEIP, a prisoner's advocacy group, petitioned the court to test some of the evidence used in Tempest's trial, contending he was unjustly convicted. After months of preliminary skirmishing over the types of tests that should be performed, where they would be done and who would pay, in March 2005 Superior Court Judge Daniel J. Procaccini ordered the testing to take place at Orchid Cellmark Labs in Dallas, Texas. After finding that Tempest could not afford to pay for the tests, the judge ordered the state's Indigent Defense Fund to cover the cost, then estimated to be in the range of $8,000. Actually, the tests ended up costing substantially more. Craig Berke, a spokesman for the Rhode Island Judiciary, said the state paid two bills for tests from Orchid Cellmark in the case. The first, received in March 2006, was for $10,800; the second, received June 11, was for $3,285, he said. Mark Stolorow, the executive director of forensic science for Orchid Cellmark, said there was nothing unusual in the length of time between the judge's order for testing and the completion of the process. DNA testing in post conviction relief efforts typically takes much longer than pre-trial tests ordered by the prosecution because the genetic samples are older and more technically complex to test, convicted felons generally have limited financial resources and legal skirmishing between prosecutors and defense lawyers often results in delays. "It's the norm for these things to take months, and months and months," he said. "Unlike the shotgun approach when state prosecutors send us materials for testing, in cases of post conviction relief it's just families or advocacy groups that are paying for these tests, and typically the items that are reached for testing are sent to us one at a time, one month at a time." State law requires defendants to pay for any DNA testing at health department labs, but the state facility was capable of performing only a relatively unsophisticated procedure known as STR, for short tandem repeat testing of genetic material. Tempest's lawyers were seeking a more rigorous analysis known as Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA tests - procedures performed at only a handful of labs in the country, including Orchid Cellmark, where testing was done for the O.J. Simpson trial. Tempest was the first convict in the state for whom DNA tests were ordered in a bid for a new trial. Under state law, the tests can only be done in cases where a conviction was based on weak circumstantial evidence - a point refuted by state prosecutors when the Innocence Project sought the tests - and in which DNA testing was unavailable at the time of the original trial. Procaccini ordered the tests done on the murder weapon - a 3-foot length of pipe - clumps of hair found in Picard's hands, the victim's fingernail clippings and several bloodstained pillowcases and curtains found near the crime scene. Michael Healey, spokesman for the attorney general, confirmed that the results of the tests were returned to state prosecutors around June 15. But Healey declined to say whether they indicate that any of the genetic material tested belongs to Tempest, citing several reasons. For one thing, Healey said the results must be shared with a judge assigned to the case before they are made public. Moreover, Healey said at this phase of the case, in which the possibility exists that defense lawyers might seek a new trial, the results could potentially be regarded as new evidence, in which case prosecutors must cautiously regard the Tempest matter as an open investigation. "This is an ongoing case now that the results are back," said Healey. "The court has not seen the results yet and it would not be appropriate for us to get into the outcome." Healey said it is not up to the attorney general to do anything now that the results are back, however. "The defendant is driving the case; it's up to him and his attorneys to determine what will happen next." So far, Healey said, state prosecutors have not heard from Tempest's lawyers, and there is no court date scheduled to consider the test results. In one of the most widely publicized crimes ever committed in the city, Picard's body was found bludgeoned beyond recognition in the basement laundry room of 409 Providence St. on Feb. 19, 1982. Beside her lay brutally battered Susan Laferte, her landlady, barely alive. Laferte survived, but her memory of events was so impaired she was never able to identify her attacker. For years, rumors persisted that one of the perpetrators was Tempest, and that he was using his connections to stay a step ahead of the law. Tempest's father was the late Raymond D. Tempest Sr., High Sheriff for Providence County at the time of the crime and former second-in-command of the Woonsocket police; his brother was Gordon D. Tempest, a detective sergeant on the police force. By 1990, prosecutors brought the first in a string of indictments that ultimately led to Beaver Tempest's conviction. In addition, his brother-in-law Robert Monteiro and Gordon Tempest were both convicted of perjury for lying to an investigative grand jury, and Gordon was fired from the police force. During the trial, several witnesses testified that Beaver Tempest bragged to them that he had committed the crime, and that he would get away with it because of his family ties. But there was no physical evidence connecting him to the crime scene, and he has always maintained his innocence. ©The Call 2007 Submit your comment now Comment Title: Submit your comments on the article in the space below: Your Name: Your City & State: Your Email Address: (required) What's This? In order to verify your registration you will need to use the image above. The addition of the flashing numbers above = By submitting your comment, you acknowledge that you have read and accept the Terms and Conditions of this site. Reader Comments Added: Thursday July 12, 2007 at 06:05 PM EST THE TRUTH WILL BE TOLD THE REAL TRUTH WILL BE TOLD WITH THE NEW DNA TESTS. IMAGINE SPENDING 18 YEARS IN PRISON FOR A CRIME YOU DIDN'T COMMIT. THE PICARD FAMILY MAY FINALLY HAVE CLOSURE FOR A HORRIFIC CRIME THAT HAS TURNED THEIR LIVES AND THE TEMPEST FAMILIES LIVES INTO AN UNIMAGINABLE NIGHTMARE. NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE REAL KILLER TO STEP UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS. HOW HAVE YOU SLEPT AT NIGHT FOR THE PAST 18 YEARS??? YOUR JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING!!! MIKE TEMPEST, PETALUMA,CA Added: Wednesday July 04, 2007 at 10:35 PM EST The police acted on witnesses that were far from credible??? The police acted on witnesses that were far from credible? That's all you've got? Let's not forget the cover up, the perjury, and the conviction based on evidence. Beaver Tempest associated with these less than credible witnesses (who he was friends with), but yet we are to believe his word as credible? For what reason? Some people choose to portray Beaver as a nice man, who was wrongly accused and incarcerated, and I just don't understand why; because in doing so, you show how little you actually know the man, or the type of people he associated with at the time of the crime. Remember, nobody in prison is guilty, all you have to do is go and ask a few people in prison why they are there... they'll tell you "I didn't do it". Wake up Woonsocket. B. Real, Blackstone MA View All 6 Comments » Email to a friendPost a CommentPrinter-friendlyTop |
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Woonsocket is just one of those cases that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up......so damn creepy!!
I found a great link though that explains the whole 'conspiracy' behind the incident, including how Raymond Tempest was 'set up'..... Check It Out! |
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Do you not think that conspiracies and set up's happen? I think it may be very possible on this case, I am not saying he for sure isnt guilty, but I am saying he was convicted off little, if any real evidence, just a good old fashioned character assassination.
Well, the guy also that was running his mouth about how Beaver shouldnt be believed because he was hanging around the shady characters in the first place is a bunch of bull. That would be like saying a rape victim shouldnt be believed or shouldnt be cared about if she knew her rapist because she associated with him. Some on this forum have actually suggested soemthing similiar to this in the past which in my mind is sick. I'm not claiming Beaver was or is a squeaky clean individual, he himself would probably admit he isnt, but at the same time, he was hanging around shady characters who would sell him or anyone else down the river in a heartbeat to save their own a$$es. It is weird how immunity gets handed out in cases like this, charges disappear or are reduced just for testifying that "yes this guy told me he did this." Gee, I guess if I was facing years in prison and the prosecutors and cops say, "if you just tell us what we want to hear, you go from a felony and facing years in prison to suddenly having immunity, having your charges disappear and being able to walk free when this is over" yeah, I guess I would lie to if I were in that situation. Who wouldnt? |
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Just watching the episode and hearing the music gives me chills. definitely one of the creepiest UM episodes ever.
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