God, Lilith is So F*cking Cool II: Attack of the Clones

[Pirate Jenny]

Required reading:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...hreadid=118281

Originally posted by barwars
Permitted by invite only.

As it read on Cheers and as it will always be....
"This is a Square House. Please report any un-fairness to the proprietor."



Just plain perfect.


Pirate Jenny's Ground Rules:
1. This is NOT a Frith club. If you are a Frith, knock yourself out. Enjoy yourself. Go buy yourself an ice cream cone. But we're talkin' about an individual here, not a couple.
2. Everyone is required to know the story of the Original Lilith, if only because it's so cool.
3. Swearing is fine (As far as sitcomsonline.com will let us) but don't be vulgar. I can't think of anything more abhorrant than vulgarity.
4. If you come across anything interesting related to Lilith, tell us about it!
5. There is a difference between being honest and being just plain mean. Be the former, never the latter. Never hurt a person out of spite, but feel free to tell them what they need to hear. Or if they just need to shut up. That's cool too.
6. Starting a war is nice and fun, but don't destroy threads on other boards that were not started with an intention for war. Unless it's Full House. Full House blows. Also, don't expect the president to go over to every freakin' war and help. The president is far too lazy/has far too many classes

The president reserves the right to exercise martial law whenever she sees fit.


The Epic That Is Lilith
Lilith was created at the same time as Adam, of the same material. Lilith refused to lay beneath Adam during copulation, while he insisted that she yield to his needs. Big Fight, she leaves. Shacks up with some demons by the Red Sea. G-d sends angels to bring her back to Adam. She refuses to return, as a result of her refusal, all of her children are killed, and as revenge, Lilith preys on newborn boys under 8 days of age (or until his brit milah or bris) and newborn girls under 20 days.

This is the most an average person of Jewish faith will know of the story. However, there are many more layers to be considered.

Her story actually predates the Bible, and (like many old stories) bits and pieces of what may have been different stories have come together to form one. Lilith may be composed of many different women, but over the aeons, she has been condensed into one person. She is known as Lilith, Lilit, Lilitu, Lillake, Lili, and, to the Greeks, Lamia.
While she is known mainly as the first wife of Adam, many other identities and stories swirl around her central being.

-After the loss of her children, she becomes jelaous of new mothers and takes their children, in a desperate attempt to regain her place as a mother. For millenia, she was thought of as the cause of SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome). Talismen were placed in a baby's cradle, with inscription saying "Bind Lilith In Chains!" or "'Adam and Eve. Out, Lilith!'" in Hebrew.

-When Cain killed Abel, it is said that Adam seperated from Eve for 130 years, and attempted to remain celebate, not wanting to bring more murder to the world. During these years of solitude, Lilith returned to seduce him. From this union were spawned a multitude of female demons: the "lilim," and it is said that Lilith and her progeny visit a man sleeping alone, and take from him, in his dreams, his "nocturnal emissions" (if you don't know what that is...look it up yourself, I'm trying to keep this relatively PG), from which more demons were spawned. It was because of this that medieval monks often slept holding a crucifix over their nether-areas.

-She is thought to have been the serpent that so tempted Eve

-In the Kabbala, it is said that Lilith has dominion over "children who issue from a man who has intercourse at candlelight, or with his wife naked, or at times when he is forbidden to have intercourse." Yes. That's right. Any children that were born from a man who had sex with his naked wife. I won't say anything.

-She is said to be the consort to Samael. Thats Satan to Gentiles.

-It is also said that when the Shekhina (the feminine aspect of G-d) descended from the heavens to follow her Children after their Exile from Israel, G-d (you must keep in mind that this G-d is not G-d in entirety, but simply one aspect of the whole) took Lilith as His consort.

-The Greeks took Lilith and transformed her into their Lamia who was once a lover of Zeus, and, when Hera found out, she murdered their offspring and transformed Lamia into a monster. the Lamia became obsessed with the images of her children's death, and Zeus, in an act of pity, removed her eyes to relieve her of this. In jealousy, Lamia takes to stealing newborn infants and devouring them.

-The only direct reference to Lilith in the bible is Isaiah 34:14, which reads
"Wildcats shall meet with hyenas,
goat-demons shall call to each other;
there too Lilith shall repose,
and find a place to rest.
There shall the owl nest
and lay and hatch and brood in its shadow"

this was later changed (in the King James Version, at least) to

"the screech owl also shall rest there,
and find for herself a place of rest."

Lilith was often associated with owls, in fact, the earliest known artifact related to Lilith: a nearly 4000 year old Babylonian relief of her, has her standing between two owls. This relief was found in southern Iraq sometime in the early 20th century, and is now on display at the British Museum.

As you can see, Lilith has garnered quite a bad reputation in her long life, and is only recently being embraced by a number of women (Jewish or not) as a stong role model. Literally, the world's first uppity, independent woman. It has been posited (by me, at least), that the Patriarchal society of old demonised Lilith as a way to keep women from following her example and leaving their husbands, and, this was best executed by villifying Lilith and making her a threat to that which was a woman's foremost priority: her children. She was a beautiful, fiercely intelligent women who refused to bow to her husband's will, and for this she has been vilified, defamed, and spat upon for centuries, violently repudiated by her own gender, but has emerged, on the other side, still just as vibrant, and with an ever growing embracement amongst modern women.



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[Brian Damage]

You forgot your logo...

[Chambers]

hahaha great title.


So...things that are Lilith...

[Pirate Jenny]

This must be somewhat historic.


A supporting character...going the way of the Bored Threads.

[Pirate Jenny]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
You forgot your logo...

Thank you, Brian.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
This must be somewhat historic.


A supporting character...going the way of the Bored Threads.

Well, the club historian should clarify this for me, but I believe that the two largest fan bases on this board have been for Lilith and Diane.

[Brian Damage]

Diane never had a thread like this.

[Pirate Jenny]

Originally posted by Chambers
Well, the club historian should clarify this for me, but I believe that the two largest fan bases on this board have been for Lilith and Diane.

Yeah, but that's currently. I'm sure, at some point, Lilith fans were a minority.

And who's the club historian?

[Chambers]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
Diane never had a thread like this.

No, I'm just going by the amount of fans I saw in past threads.

[Chambers]

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
Yeah, but that's currently. I'm sure, at some point, Lilith fans were a minority.

And who's the club historian?

Oh oops. That was club scribe...but we should have a club historian.

[Brian Damage]

I will say this, Diane had a legion back about 2 years ago. Lilith also had a legion(before this one) also 2 years ago. That's when the whole Frith thing was born.

[slackermonkey]

It would have been hilarious if it were "Electric Boogaloo" instead of "Attack of the Clones."

Random Clerks reference? No one's laughing? Okay, then.

[Pirate Jenny]

Originally posted by slackermonkey
It would have been hilarious if it were "Electric Boogaloo" instead of "Attack of the Clones."

Random Clerks reference? No one's laughing? Okay, then.

Sorry, haven't seen Clerks in years.

Plus, clones is more appropriate...cause it's Lilith.

[Brian Damage]

The title is perfect.

[Pirate Jenny]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
The title is perfect.

Thank you Brian.


I like your hat. (id est I wanted to reciprocate the compliment, but couldn't think of anything.)