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Janice · 10-15-2004, 12:51 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in647610.shtml

The piece of shi t wanted to be famous. Open the link for photos and related stories.

Lennon's Killer Wanted Fame

(CBS/AP) Mark David Chapman felt like a nobody and wanted to "steal John Lennon's fame" when he shot the former Beatle outside his New York City apartment in 1980, according to a transcript of Chapman's most recent parole hearing, released Thursday.

Chapman, 49, told the panel Oct. 5 he'd accomplished his goal of transferring Lennon's fame to himself in one sense, but in other ways, "I'm a bigger nobody than I was before."

"Because, you know, people hate me now instead of, you know, for something positive," he said. "So that's a worse state."

Chapman was denied parole; it was his third bid for freedom. He was denied release in 2000 and again in 2002.

Chapman said he had flown to New York to kill Lennon once before but stopped himself, telling his wife over the telephone, "Your love has saved me."

"What are you talking about?" was her reply.

The assassination occurred a few weeks later.

"It was just a tremendous compulsion of just feeling this big hole, of being what I thought was a big nobody, a big nothing, and I couldn't let it go," he said. "And it just kept going very strongly, and I couldn't stop it."

Chapman told the board he remembered Lennon's wife, Yoko Ono, looking at him through the window of a police cruiser just after his arrest. "That was a very traumatic thing that I blocked out of my memory for several months," he said.

It's not the first time Chapman has said that Lennon's slaying was motivated by his feelings of inferiority.

At his parole hearing in 2000, for instance, he told the board: "I felt like nothing, and I felt if I shot him, I would become something."

Chapman has been in prison more than 23 years for shooting Lennon as the musician returned from a recording session. He works as a law clerk and in the kitchen at the Attica Correctional Facility in western New York, and is in protective custody.

He said he plans to start a ministry with his wife and distribute a short story titled "The Prisoner's Letter," and that he has a farm job lined up.

Steve M. · 10-15-2004, 01:16 PM

Don't even mention him here! They only Chapmans I want to see mentioned on this board are Roger Chapman and Tracy Chapman! This guy is better off known as an "insect" - which is what Bernie Taupin so accurately called him when he wrote the lyrics for Elton John's "Empty Garden."

Dean Winchester · 10-15-2004, 01:54 PM

as much as I hate to say it, the reason people don't want him out is not because he IS a killer, but because WHO he killed.

Nobody should like him for what he's done, but if he really is a changed man, why won't people learn forgiveness? We're always supposed to "forgive" these serial killers who turned around and found Jesus, but someone who killed one person, who was one of the biggest activist/musicians in history, could be paroled, jump in front of a moving bus to save 5 children, but even then peopl would still be "he killed John Lennon, (expletive) him!!!!".

What he did to Lennon, Lennon's family and Yoko Ono was a horrible thing, but I don't see why his crime can't be forgiven in time if he really has changed. Everyone deserves forgiveness if they are truly sorry and have paid their debt to society.

Nighthawk76 · 10-15-2004, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
as much as I hate to say it, the reason people don't want him out is not because he IS a killer, but because WHO he killed.

Nobody should like him for what he's done, but if he really is a changed man, why won't people learn forgiveness? We're always supposed to "forgive" these serial killers who turned around and found Jesus, but someone who killed one person, who was one of the biggest activist/musicians in history, could be paroled, jump in front of a moving bus to save 5 children, but even then peopl would still be "he killed John Lennon, (expletive) him!!!!".

What he did to Lennon, Lennon's family and Yoko Ono was a horrible thing, but I don't see why his crime can't be forgiven in time if he really has changed. Everyone deserves forgiveness if they are truly sorry and have paid their debt to society.

I agree that most people deserve forgiveness...with the exception of Mark David Chapman! I'm sorry, I just cannot forgive this guy for taking John Lennon away. Lennon means too much to me.

Steve M. · 10-15-2004, 05:29 PM

The insect, like that other insect Sirhan Sirhan (Robert Kennedy's killer), should be lucky his victim opposed the death penalty, else he'd have been fried by now!

I oppose the death penalty too.

AKA · 10-15-2004, 05:46 PM

If I wanted fame, I'd just learn to tap dance.

crystals · 10-16-2004, 01:49 AM

Some people deserve forgiveness, but not Chapman. He shot John Lennon and ruined the lives of Yoko, his sons, Julian and Sean and the former Beatles. Forgiving Mark David Chapman would be like forgiving Robert John Bardo. It's just wrong. Stalkers who murder don't deserve forgiveness.

Kay Scarpetta · 10-16-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by crystals
Stalkers who murder don't deserve forgiveness.

Stalkers in general don't deserve to be forgiven, even if they don't murder. They cause people misery and traumatize them.

ABlairican Pie · 10-16-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Steve M.
Don't even mention him here! They only Chapmans I want to see mentioned on this board are Roger Chapman and Tracy Chapman! This guy is better off known as an "insect" - which is what Bernie Taupin so accurately called him when he wrote the lyrics for Elton John's "Empty Garden."

Don't forget about the late Graham Chapman of Monty Python!

I dunno if Gary Chapman, the former Mr. Amy Grant, counts, tho'...

ABlairican Pie · 10-16-2004, 01:40 PM

We can forgive Mark David Insect, but we don't have to let him out of his Shell No-Pest Strip.

10-15-2004, 12:51 PM	#1
Janice Retired Admin - Hollywood Swingin' Forum Legend Join Date: Aug 03, 2001 Location: Beantown Posts: 36,388	Chapman Wanted Fame http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in647610.shtml The piece of shi t wanted to be famous. Open the link for photos and related stories. Lennon's Killer Wanted Fame (CBS/AP) Mark David Chapman felt like a nobody and wanted to "steal John Lennon's fame" when he shot the former Beatle outside his New York City apartment in 1980, according to a transcript of Chapman's most recent parole hearing, released Thursday. Chapman, 49, told the panel Oct. 5 he'd accomplished his goal of transferring Lennon's fame to himself in one sense, but in other ways, "I'm a bigger nobody than I was before." "Because, you know, people hate me now instead of, you know, for something positive," he said. "So that's a worse state." Chapman was denied parole; it was his third bid for freedom. He was denied release in 2000 and again in 2002. Chapman said he had flown to New York to kill Lennon once before but stopped himself, telling his wife over the telephone, "Your love has saved me." "What are you talking about?" was her reply. The assassination occurred a few weeks later. "It was just a tremendous compulsion of just feeling this big hole, of being what I thought was a big nobody, a big nothing, and I couldn't let it go," he said. "And it just kept going very strongly, and I couldn't stop it." Chapman told the board he remembered Lennon's wife, Yoko Ono, looking at him through the window of a police cruiser just after his arrest. "That was a very traumatic thing that I blocked out of my memory for several months," he said. It's not the first time Chapman has said that Lennon's slaying was motivated by his feelings of inferiority. At his parole hearing in 2000, for instance, he told the board: "I felt like nothing, and I felt if I shot him, I would become something." Chapman has been in prison more than 23 years for shooting Lennon as the musician returned from a recording session. He works as a law clerk and in the kitchen at the Attica Correctional Facility in western New York, and is in protective custody. He said he plans to start a ministry with his wife and distribute a short story titled "The Prisoner's Letter," and that he has a farm job lined up.

10-15-2004, 01:16 PM	#2
Steve M. Back on the road to reality Forum Superstar Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33,307	Don't even mention him here! They only Chapmans I want to see mentioned on this board are Roger Chapman and Tracy Chapman! This guy is better off known as an "insect" - which is what Bernie Taupin so accurately called him when he wrote the lyrics for Elton John's "Empty Garden."
	__________________ I don't really get out a lot. When I do go out, I couldn't be happier. I love being in a nice milieu. I'm as happy as a clam. Just as long as I'm not in some club playing hip-hop. You hear that sort of thing in a lot of places. That's not my milieu. Rock and roll is good-time music. I love rock. So did my parents.

10-16-2004, 01:49 AM	#7
crystals Member Senior Member Join Date: Feb 02, 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,829	Some people deserve forgiveness, but not Chapman. He shot John Lennon and ruined the lives of Yoko, his sons, Julian and Sean and the former Beatles. Forgiving Mark David Chapman would be like forgiving Robert John Bardo. It's just wrong. Stalkers who murder don't deserve forgiveness.
	__________________ The man who lends a helping hand is the true hero.

10-15-2004, 01:54 PM	#3
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	as much as I hate to say it, the reason people don't want him out is not because he IS a killer, but because WHO he killed. Nobody should like him for what he's done, but if he really is a changed man, why won't people learn forgiveness? We're always supposed to "forgive" these serial killers who turned around and found Jesus, but someone who killed one person, who was one of the biggest activist/musicians in history, could be paroled, jump in front of a moving bus to save 5 children, but even then peopl would still be "he killed John Lennon, (expletive) him!!!!". What he did to Lennon, Lennon's family and Yoko Ono was a horrible thing, but I don't see why his crime can't be forgiven in time if he really has changed. Everyone deserves forgiveness if they are truly sorry and have paid their debt to society.

10-15-2004, 05:29 PM	#5
Steve M. Back on the road to reality Forum Superstar Join Date: Nov 07, 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33,307	The insect, like that other insect Sirhan Sirhan (Robert Kennedy's killer), should be lucky his victim opposed the death penalty, else he'd have been fried by now! I oppose the death penalty too.

10-15-2004, 05:46 PM	#6
AKA Member Forum Star Join Date: Dec 17, 2001 Posts: 15,746	If I wanted fame, I'd just learn to tap dance.

10-16-2004, 01:40 PM	#10
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,619	We can forgive Mark David Insect, but we don't have to let him out of his Shell No-Pest Strip.