What would you do........

[videotrading]

I was supposed to trade with a Sue Maple back in May, but she still hasn't sent my tapes. I did a trader check on her in a few Yahoo Groups!. I am still trying to figure out if She is PAM Maples.. I hope not. But this person is in Florida.

On a completely different trade, someone else had ordered a set of shows that I had listed at gochange.net. This person was named Sue Nicole. She wanted to pay for 96 episodes. I said that was fine. She told me it was for a birthday present and asked that I mail it to a friend of hers. I just received her money order on Saturday. I was planning on mailing out her tapes this week.

Then today another trader emailed me and told me she thought Pam Maples was going by the new email address MomofHayley@hotmail.com... Funny enough, that is the email address of Sue Nicole who ordered the 96 episodes from me. I just checked the address where she wanted me to send the tapes... Sure enough, it's in TN..

Billy Joe
29** Bradshaw Rd.
Loudon, TN 37774


I know how much this person has ripped people off. I kind of just want to send her the money back and not send her anymore shows... She sent me a list of shows she had after seeing my website asking to trade with me. UGH! This makes me so mad.

Would you just send her what she paid for or return the money? I feel that if I did send her the shows, she'd rip people off with them.

BEWARE of MomofHayley@hotmail.com.. It IS PAM MAPLES!!!

[Agent 13]

Personally, I'd be tempted to keep the money, as compensation for what she owes you and not send anything. But is that right? No.

If she used a USPS money order and filled out all of the blanks (required for reporting it to the USPS), she could very well report you for mail fraud, and then you'd be in hot water.

I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't have half of what she claims to have because her TV show listing is obviously a tool she uses to rake in victims. I wouldn't say that accepting the money and filling the order would contribute to her thievery because she doesn't send anyway.

Pam Beaty, Pam Maples, William Maples, Sue Maple, Billy Joe, Sue Nicole, James Beaty, Gary Beaty, Momofhayley, or whatever Pam's newest ID ripped off countless people last year starting at around this time. Christmas is coming, and Pam needs the money for presents! :

[videotrading]

Thank you for your help! I noticed "Momofhayley" is in a few Yahoo Groups, so I called her out on there.. I hope it isn't too late.

Also, here is the list Pam Maples aka MomofHayley sent me of what she had... ugh!

1-800-MISSING - (AKA Missing) - 22 episodes
7TH HEAVEN - 25 episodes
8 SIMPLE RULES FOR DATING MY TEENAGE DAUGHTER - 3 episodes
21 JUMPSTREET - 40 episodes
ADDAMS FAMILY - 1 episode
ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN PLANET - 47 episodes
ADVENTURES OF PETE & PETE - 33 episodes
ALF -
ALICE -
ALL IN THE FAMILY - 169 episodes
ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS -
ANOTHER WORLD - 2 episodes
ARCHIE BUNKER’S PLACE - 2 episodes
BANANA SPLITS - 7 episodes
BAYWATCH - 2 episodes
BERENSTAIN BEARS - 4 episodes
BEVERLY HILLBILLIES - 2 episodes
BEWITCHED - 16 episodes
BJ & THE BEAR - COMPLETE SERIES
BLACK SASH - 6 episodes
BLOSSOM - 33 episodes
BOSOM BUDDIES - 20 episodes
BOY MEETS WORLD - 86 episodes
BRADY BUNCH - 42 episodes
BREAKER HIGH - 26 episodes
BROTHERY LOVE - 32 episodes
CALIFORNIA DREAMS - 57 episodes
CARNIVALE - 1 episode
CAROLINE IN THE CITY - 18 episodes
CHARLES IN CHARGE - 58 episodes
CHARLIE’S ANGELS - 8 episodes
CHICO & THE MAN - 9 episodes
CHIP & DALE RESCUE RANGERS - 2 episodes
CITY GUYS - 3 episodes
CLARISSA EXPLAINS IT ALL - 3 episodes
CLUE CLUB - 3 episodes
CLUELESS - COMPLETE SERIES
CYBILL - 12 episodes
DALLAS - 20 episodes
DARIA - 5 episodes
DARKWING DUCK - 2 episodes
DAWSON’S CREEK - COMPLETE SERIES
DAYS OF OUR LIVES -
DEGRASSI: THE NEXT GENERATION - 54 episodes
DENNIS THE MENACE - 15 episodes
DIFFERENT WORLD - 2 episodes
DIFF’RENT STROKES - COMPLETE SERIES
DUCKTALES - 9 episodes
ELIMIDATE - 31 episodes
ELLEN - 13 episodes
EMERGENCY - 3 episodes
EVEN STEVENS - 8 episodes
FAMILY AFFAIR - 14 episodes
FAMILY MATTERS - 12 episodes
FAMILY TIES - 58 episodes
FANTASTIC FOUR - 2 episodes
FASTLANE - 8 episodes
FELICITY - COMPLETE SERIES
FIREFLY - COMPLETE SERIES
FLINTSTONES - 1 episodes
FLYING NUN - 8 episodes
FRAGGLE ROCK -
FRESHMAN DORM - 2 episodes
FRESH PRINCE OF BEL AIR - 10 episodes
FULL HOUSE - 73 episodes
GARFIELD - 44 episodes
GIDGET - 24 episodes
GILLIGAN’S ISLAND - 5 episodes
GLORIA - 1 episode
GOLDEN GIRLS - 3 episodes
GOLDEN PALACE - COMPLETE SERIES
GOOD MORNING MISS BLISS - COMPLETE SERIES
GOOD TIMES -
GOOSEBUMPS - 2 episodes
GRADY - 3 episodes
GROSSE POINT - 1 episode
GROWING PAINS - 85 episodes
HAIR BEAR BUNCH - 9 episodes
HANG TIME - 44 episodes
HAPPY DAYS - 6 episodes
HARRY & THE HENDERSONS - 4 episodes
HEAD OF THE CLASS - 20 episodes
HEATHCLIFF - 15 episodes
HE-MAN & THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE - 16 episodes
HILL STREET BLUES - 1 episode
HITCHHIKER -
HOGAN’S HEROES - 3 episodes
HOME IMPROVEMENT - 57 episodes
HONEYMOONERS - 2 episodes
HOOPERMAN - 1 episode
HR PUFNSTUF - 3 episodes
I DREAM OF JEANNIE - 22 episodes
I LOVE LUCY - 18 episodes
IN LIVING COLOR - 1 episode
JEFFERSONS - 6 episodes
JESSE - 3 episodes
JETSONS - 23 episodes
JOAN OF ARCADIA - COMPLETE SERIES
JUST DEAL - 2 episodes
JUST THE TEN OF US - 2 episodes
KATE & ALLIE - 19 episodes
KIM POSSIBLE - 2 episodes
KNIGHT RIDER - COMPLETE SERIES
KNOT’S LANDING - 20 episodes
LAVERNE & SHIRLEY - 159 episodes
LEAVE IT TO BEAVER - 4 episodes
LIFE GOES ON - 1 episode
LITTLE MERMAID - 30 episodes
LIVING SINGLE - 1 episode
LIZZIE MCGUIRE - 50 episodes
LUCKY - COMPLETE SERIES
MAD ABOUT YOU - 1 episode
MAJOR DAD - 12 episodes
MAKE ROOM FOR DADDY - 3 episodes
MAMA’S FAMILY - 116 episodes
MARTIN - 2 episodes
MAUDE - 125 episodes
MELROSE PLACE - 6 episodes
MIGHTY MORPHIN POWER RANGERS - 5 episodes
MIRACLES - COMPLETE SERIES
MISTER ED - 38 episodes
MONKEES - 1 episode
MORK & MINDY - 1 episode
MR. BELVEDERE - 91 episodes
MUNSTERS - 4 episodes
MY FAVORITE MARTIAN - 2 episodes
NAKED TRUTH - 4 episodes
NANNY - 1 episode
NED & STACEY - 22 episodes
NEW ADDAMS FAMILY - 4 episodes
NEW YORK UNDERCOVER - 22 episodes
NIGHT COURT - 1 episode
NIKKI - COMPLETE SERIES
NORTH SHORE - 1 episode
OC - COMPLETE SERIES
ODD COUPLE - 1 episode
ONE TREE HILL - 7 episodes
PARENT ‘HOOD - 20 episodes
PARTRIDGE FAMILY - 5 episodes
PARTY OF FIVE - COMPLETE SERIES
PERFECT STRANGERS - 29 episodes
PIT PONY - 3 episodes
POPPLES - COMPLETE SERIES
POPULAR - COMPLETE SERIES
PUNK’D - 2 episodes
RAINBOW BRITE - COMPLETE SERIES
RAISING DAD - 17 episodes
RESCUE 911 - 12 episodes
RHODA - 1 episode
ROMEO - 3 episodes
ROPERS - 6 episodes
ROSEANNE - 43 episodes
RUN OF THE HOUSE - 7 episodes
SABRINA THE ANIMATED SERIES - 4 episodes
SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH - 17 episodes
SANFORD - 2 episodes
SANFORD ARMS - 4 episodes
SANFORD & SON - 64 episodes
SAVED BY THE BELL - 36 episodes
SAVED BY THE BELL COLLEGE YEARS - 13 episodes
SCARE TACTICS - 3 episodes
SEX & THE CITY - 2 episodes
SILVER SPOONS - 8 episodes
SISTER SISTER - 102 episodes
SKIN - COMPLETE SERIES
SMART GUY - 6 episodes
SMURFS - 54 episodes
SNORKS - 16 episodes
SO LITTLE TIME - 21 episodes
SO WEIRD - 47 episodes
SQUARE PEGS - 14 episodes
STARSKY & HUTCH - 2 episodes
STEP BY STEP - 88 episodes
SUDDENLY SUSAN - 20 episodes
SUPERMAN - 7 episodes
SWEET VALLEY HIGH - 83 episodes
TABITHA - 9 episodes
TALES FROM THE CRYPT - 4 episodes
TALE SPIN - 12 episodes
TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES - 2 episodes
THAT 70’S SHOW - 98 episodes
THAT’S SO RAVEN - 4 episodes
THREE’S A CROWD - 21 episodes
THREE’S COMPANY - 164 episodes
TJ HOOKER - 13 episodes
TRU CALLING - COMPLETE SERIES
TWILIGHT ZONE - 1 episode
TWO GUYS & A GIRL - 15 episodes
TWO OF A KIND - 18 episodes
UNDECLARED - COMPLETE SERIES
UNDER THE UMBRELLA TREE - 4 episodes
WEIRD SCIENCE - 16 episodes
WELCOME BACK KOTTER - 3 episodes
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT YOU - 8 episodes
WHO’S THE BOSS? - 19 episodes
WILL & GRACE - 1 episode
WINGS - 5 episodes
WKRP - 16 episodes
WONDER YEARS - 6 episodes


- UNAIRED PILOTS -
Tru Calling
Gilmore Girls
Smallville
Popular
Fastlane

- MOVIES -
Deadly Pursuits
Baby For Sale
The Babysitter’s Seduction
Dennis The Menace: Cruise Control
Lucky Seven
Prince For A Day
Saved By The Bell: Wedding In Las Vegas
Fuzzbucket
Dirt Bike Kid
Facts Of Life Reunion Movie
Hugga Bunch Movie
Deacon Street Deer
Rainbow Brite & The Star Stealer
Strawberry Shortcake’s Very Merry Christmas
Meet Strawberry Shortcake
The Lion, The Witch & The Wardrobe
Secret Santa
Seventeen Again
Picking Up & Dropping Off
The Brady Bunch Movie
A Very Brady Sequel
Strawberry Shortcake’s Get Well Adventure
Munster, Go Home
Stealing Christmas
My Daughter’s Secret Life
Rose Hill
I Do (But I Don’t)
Grand Theft Auto
Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer
See Jane Date
She Fought Alone
This Time Around
Buried Secrets
Popples Live Action

- E! TRUE HOLLYWOOD STORIES -
Beverly Hills 90210
Saved By The Bell
Melrose Place

- SPECIALS -
Dawson’s Creek Farewell Celebration - Home Video - Taped In Wilmington, NC - Also includes about 15-20
minutes of cast on set.
Space Cases Blooper Reel & Interview Clips
Degrassi: 100 Most Intense Moments - 4 parts
Dallas Reunion
It’s Good To Be Mary Kate & Ashley
Beverly Hills 90210 10 Year High School Reunion
I Love The 70’s - 1972 episode
I Love The 70’s - 1978 episode
Style Star: Mary Kate & Ashley
ABC Tribute to JOHN RITTER
The OC: Obsess Completely

- INTIMATE PORTRAITS -
Melissa Joan Hart

- DAWSON’S CREEK GUEST APPEARANCES -
JAMES VAN DER BEEK on So Graham Norton
KATIE HOLMES on Top 25 People Under 25
KERR SMITH on MTV Cribs
KATIE HOLMES on Saturday Night Live
KATIE HOLMES on David Letterman
KATIE HOLMES on Ellen Degeneres Show
JOSHUA JACKSON on Saturday Night Live
JAMES VAN DER BEEK on Saturday Night Live
KATIE HOLMES on So Graham Norton
KATIE HOLMES announced as 1 of 25 Teen People

- TRU CALLING GUEST APPEARANCES -
ELIZA DUSHKU on The Sharon Osbourne Show

- 7TH HEAVEN GUEST APPEARANCES -
BEVERLY MITCHELL on MTV Cribs

- SWEET VALLEY HIGH GUEST APPEARANCES
BRITNEY & CYNTHIA DANIELS on a Burke’s Law episode

- SAVED BY THE BELL GUEST APPEARANCES -
DUSTIN DIAMOND on Star Dates

- BEVERLY HILLS 90210 GUEST APPEARANCES -
TORI SPELLING on Celebrities Uncensored
JENNIE GARTH on Sharon Osbourne Show

- THE OC GUEST APPEARANCES -
OC CAST on TRL


COMING SOON
Silver Spoons Complete
Read All About It Complete
Baywatch Nights Complete
Emergency Complete
Dukes Of Hazzard Complete
Beauty & The Beast Complete
Misc. Mr Belvedere episodes
Melrose Place Season One
Gilmore Girls Season One
Misc Brotherly Love episodes
Fastlane Complete
Scrubs Seasons 1-3
Hardcastle & McCormick Complete!!
Drexell’s Class misc episodes
Spenser For Hire misc episodes
Fall Guy Complete Series
Life Goes On misc episodes
My Two Dads misc episodes
One Tree Hill - Season One

Misc episodes of many other shows!!!

[Agent 13]

The main thing to beware of is Loudon, Tennessee. I know I sound like a broken record to those already in the know, but it's the truth.

Pam's an expert liar, and she can go on and on in emails to the point where one would think that her story would have to be true to be rattled off so quickly. Her recent tactic is to claim to be from Florida, now residing with relatives in Loudon, TN. The address she has been giving out is identical to Pam's.

Now, let's be logical about this. If you were staying with relatives, would you have the liberty to:
[list=1][*]Lug around your tape collection?[*]Use your relative's VCR equipment?[/list=1] Here's a copy of a recent letter she sent to one of her potential victims:

Please mail to

momofhayley
29** Bradshaw Hollow Road
Loudon, TN. 37774

We live in Flordia but because of the hurricane we'll be staying with my husband's family for now.

Previous to this complaint, I'd received the above letter from a potential victim inquiring about momofhayley. I'd also gotten a similar email from another trader, stating basically the same thing, giving the identical address.

[videotrading]

I've known for awhile to watch out for someone in Loudon, TN. Had this person wanted to trade with me, I would have said no after seeing their address.

How could I find out for sure that Sue Maple who ripped me off in May is Pam Maples? Sue Maple's address in Florida is:

Sue Maple
22** Hayworth Road
Port Charlotte, FL. 33952

sue722@hotmail.com

I did find out between Loudon TN and Port Charlotte, FL there is about a 12 hour distance.

I wish I could confirm that they are the same person.

[el]

i cant prove that they are the same person but the above have list is exactly the same as the one i recieved from momofhayley.She also toldme they dont use tracking numbers when you mail packages from the us to canada.im from canada and ive reciecved boxes with them from the us

red flag alert

[videotrading]

Yes, the list above was from momofhayley AKA Pam Maples..

I posted it incase she is using ANOTHER name and sends out the same list.. If you see it, run the other way.

[Agent 13]

Originally posted by videotrading
Sue Maple
22** Hayworth Road
Port Charlotte, FL. 33952

Did you ever plug that address into the reverse white pages? http://www.whitepages.com/reverse-address

You'll end up with yet another link in this puzzle. It might not be a bad idea to address a letter to the person who actually lives there and give them heads up if they aren't aware of being used for purposes of ripping people off. Of course, birds of a feather flock together, so this friend or relative might not have qualms about stealing.

Note: I didn't realize fully realize what you were asking until now. I've edited my first comment above to reflect this.

Jen

[videotrading]

I actually didn't connect the two until I read your reply and some messages on a Yahoo Group. It seems Pam has used the name Sue before..

I didn't want to judge just by the last name "Maple", but I think the name Sue Maple looks pretty guilty. I did a search on a Yahoo Group for "MomofHayley" and people were questioning her about being Pam back in August. Someone even said she was Sue Maple.

The only thing I cannot connect are the mailing addresses. I mailed Sue's stuff to Florida, and I don't see one complaint from someone claiming they sent Pam something to a Florida address. I have done several searches on Google and Yahoo. There is no other connection than the name Maple. The link you sent me for the white pages showed a different name.. Not Sue and not Maple. Very odd.

So, since I cannot be 100% sure they are the same person, I will go ahead and send Momofhayley her stuff.

If I every find out they are the same person, I will hit the roof. LOL

[videotrading]

I can't believe it. After I figured out momofhayley lived EXACTLY where "Pam Maples" did/does, I posted to some Yahoo groups to warn others and they get pissed at ME.

Momofhayley told this flip flop story and many people believed it and said she 'doesn't have bad feedback' and shouldn't worry. Go figure.

I would be thankful if someone pointed something like this out to me. Well, it sounds like people will at LEAST ask her to send first.

Oh! Here's a story she posted about who she is, she ALSO claimed to have a sister named "Sue Maple", which is the person that ripped me off. I don't buy any of it.


"Oh my. I am royally confused here myself. My husband's sister lives
at the address in Loudon. She is Sue Maple. His cousin also lives
there and her name is Lisa Evans. His sister was married to a Maple
and that is how that name is connected. Thats the only way it's
connected. We live in Sweetwater, TN. with his parents right now. We
did just buy land but it'll be a while before we get on it. I am Sue
Nicole Evans. People call me Sue Nicole. I was born in South Dakota,
been married for 4 years, have my first baby on the way the end of
October-first of November! Sue Maple is the only Maple I am related
to. The landlord is James Beaty which is why the listing is in his
name I'm sure. There are around 13 girls in that house. Its for
college students who go to Roane State College. They all car pool.
Thats why his sister and cousin live there. Girls have come and gone
at that address for years while going through college. I have asked
though and there is no Pam Maples living there currently. I'm not
sure of all the girls name there though.
Its fine if people want to be cautious trading with me. I totally
understand that but I don't understand being slaundered like I have
been when I have not had any complaints about others not getting
their tapes and I don't plan to either. I honor my trades. I don't
wish to stop trading because of someone else who may have lived at
that address before. And if Pam Maple lived at this address now or
before there's no way she could of been married. It's a girls only
house so they wouldn't of been able to live together. And I'm pretty
sure she's not related to the landlord either to have the last name
Beaty. My guess is she just used any last name she could find with
all these names popping up and who knows. However, I don't know and I
don't think anyone really has the facts straight or knows this story
completely. I know I don't. I'm very confused here. If you would like
me to send you my phone number I will and you can call and talk to
me. Thats no problem as I've done nothing wrong here but try and
trade. I would just like to get this straightened out so I can
continue with what I came here for in the first place. To trade for
some shows I want and to help others out. "

[Agent 13]

She's totally confused about your accusations? No! Pam's an expert story teller. She wants you to feel totally confused. You should hear the story she told me... "I can't believe I'm telling you this, a complete stranger, but..." etc. etc.

She's a liar, that's all there is to it. She starts "rumors" to confuse everyone (her husband died, she died, she's my cousin, she's moved to Illinois/Florida/Timbucktu, etc.).

People that get irritated with you for posting this information are those who typically have never been ripped off or don't care what happens to their neighbors.

The sad fact of the matter is that posting notorious bad traders is a thankless job too much of the time. The accused inevitably turns the table somewhere along the line. For that very reason, I appreciate you for bringing this stuff to light. More often than not, these traders have become experts at manipulation.

Don't let this garbage worry you. You are not in the wrong! You've done all you can do. Those who've been around know Pam for what she is. Newbies will continue to get ripped off despite warnings to stay away from Loudon, Tennessee, but they can't say you (and others) didn't warn them. Sigh...

Take care,

Jen

P.S. Pam Maples and all of her aliases is presently being discussed at great length on a few of the tape trading boards.

[folfreak25]

Originally posted by Agent 13
She's totally confused about your accusations? No! Pam's an expert story teller. She wants you to feel totally confused. You should hear the story she told me... "I can't believe I'm telling you this, a complete stranger, but..." etc. etc.

She's a liar, that's all there is to it. She starts "rumors" to confuse everyone (her husband died, she died, she's my cousin, she's moved to Illinois/Florida/Timbucktu, etc.).

People that get irritated with you for posting this information are those who typically have never been ripped off or don't care what happens to their neighbors.

The sad fact of the matter is that posting notorious bad traders is a thankless job too much of the time. The accused inevitably turns the table somewhere along the line. For that very reason, I appreciate you for bringing this stuff to light. More often than not, these traders have become experts at manipulation.

Don't let this garbage worry you. You are not in the wrong! You've done all you can do. Those who've been around know Pam for what she is. Newbies will continue to get ripped off despite warnings to stay away from Loudon, Tennessee, but they can't say you (and others) didn't warn them. Sigh...

Take care,

Jen

P.S. On yahoo trading groups, momofhayley claims to not have had any complaints against her, and from what I've gathered, she has not had any praise either. Tell me this... how does one accumulate such a huge listing without getting either complaints or praise.

P.P.S. Pam Maples and all of her aliases is presently being discussed at great length on a few of the tape trading boards.

She orderd 50 episodes from me last year, and she was supposed to give me 50 in return. But when I emailed her two months after sending her the tapes I promised her, she was all like, "I don't remember you. So you said we were gonna trade 50 episodes? So where's my 50? I havn't received them" Ugh, she was a huge pain in my butt.

[Nanny Fine]

She got her MAUDE episodes from me, before I knew who she was way back when. This has been a while.

I hope she's not ripping people off with that set of tapes. It would make me feel like I contributed because the tapes were mine.

If I'd have known about her at the time I wouldn't have had anything to do with her.

Id' avoid her at all costs.

[videotrading]

I promise this will be my last post on this subject. Thanks everyone for their help.

I kept emails from both Sue Maple (who ripped me off) and Momofhayley.

I changed my email options so I could see both of their IP numbers. I decided to check the host and they are BOTH the same person. There is no doubt.. So, I wanted to warn people to watch out for the address in Florida AS well as Loudon, TN....


Here is one of the sites I went to check out the IP number.

http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm

MomofHayley IP and other email info:

MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [216.78.28.161]
X-Originating-Email: [momofhayley@hotmail.com]
X-Sender: momofhayley@hotmail.com
Return-Path: momofhayley@hotmail.com

Sue Maple "in Florida" IP and Info:

MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Originating-IP: [216.78.30.29]
X-Originating-Email: [sue722@hotmail.com]
X-Sender: sue722@hotmail.com
Received: from 216.78.30.29 by by14fd.bay14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, 27 May 2004 04:41:06 GMT


If you visit that site and put in each IP number, they come out the same.. Both are in "Knoxville TN".

Here are the addresses to avoid:

Sue Maple
22** Hayworth Road
Port Charlotte, FL. 33952

momofhayley
29** Bradshaw Hollow Road
Loudon, TN. 37774

[Agent 13]

videotrading,

I don't know why it is but whenever a notorious trader is revealed for what she/he is, the victims end up getting attacked in one way or another like they did when Pam (aka momofhayley) was recently brought up on a couple of yahoo tape trading boards. (I have serious suspicions that these naysayers are actually hidden aliases of the bad trader in question.)

Don't apologize for adding this confirmation. If it saves one person from getting ripped off, it's worth it.

Thanks!

Jen