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Babydollz24 · 09-09-2004, 08:21 PM

Hey did anyone see the case today about a young pregnant woman and her 6 year old son dissapearing? I was wondering if that case had ever been solved, and what year did this happen. Also what do you guys think? Do you think that the husband had anything to do with this?

crystaldawn · 09-09-2004, 08:30 PM

I did a search after I saw this story today, their profile on Doe Network and MPCCN said they were still missing. I never used to think the husband was involved, he seemed to be telling the truth during his interview and when he said parts of the letter he received from Cecilia didn't sound like her made it seem as if he had no part in writing it. But on the other hand some things make him seem suspicious. The generic goodbye card and engagement and wedding rings in her jeep seem to have been planted. If it was a random person who abducted them, they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble. Also the fact that the letter from her wasn't handwritten so they couldn't verify it came from her. The most incriminating thing is when they said she didn't seem to take anything, clothes, toys, not even a toothbrush. So I would say I think the husband knows a lot more than he's saying.

hottstuff25 · 09-19-2004, 04:00 PM

I personally think that the husband knows who did the killing, or possibly even set up the killing, and he didn't do it just to save himself from obvious speculation, and also from his alibis from being at work or whatever. The mysterious phone calls she was getting from his co-workers and the threats make this seem evident to me. Since the husband didn't necessarily commit the crime, according to his plea, he can say he is 100% innocent, say she ran away, and get on with his life. The reasoning for her (and his son, which is even more sad if hes ever found dead) to be killed though is still a mystery to me. Everything seemed so perfect in the segment. It didnt make sense.

CrushedVelvet · 09-20-2004, 02:59 PM

I remember the case but dont recall if they ever suspected that maybe she was being stalked for her unborn or not? Was that a theory? Man, this is exactly why I wish I had every espisode on tape

Kane · 09-20-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by hottstuff25
I personally think that the husband knows who did the killing, or possibly even set up the killing, and he didn't do it just to save himself from obvious speculation, and also from his alibis from being at work or whatever.

Killing? What killing? We only know that Cecelia Newball and Rene Perez Jr. are missing. If anything, the more time passes, the less likely it seems that they are alive. Nevertheless, as long as they are missing, they are presumed alive until there's real proof to the contrary.

TracyLynnS · 01-20-2009, 03:52 PM

Wow, all these years and they are still missing. It seems like somebody involved would have slipped up somewhere along the way by now.

Babydollz24 · 01-31-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Wow, all these years and they are still missing. It seems like somebody involved would have slipped up somewhere along the way by now.

yeah I feel the same way.

justins5256 · 01-31-2009, 11:02 AM

I never knew what to think of this case. I have searched on here a few times and it has not been discussed too often.

It seems like someone was trying to lure her away from her home. The husband is the obvious suspect here, but on the other hand, he never did strike me as a murderer (assuming they are dead). Just a gut feeling.

I think there was some evidence that she left intentionally and maybe that is the most reasonable explanation. I seem to recall a rather dubious note was found indicating that she met a rich man (was he a doctor?) and she wasn't sure if the baby she was carrying was her husband's or the lover's. Since she was that close to giving birth - correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought she was far along into the pregnancy - maybe she decided it would be better to leave then with her lover and start a new life in the event she did give birth and the baby looked nothing like her husband.

TracyLynnS · 01-31-2009, 08:50 PM

Justin, IIRC, she was 8 or 8 1/2 months pregnant, so she was ready to deliver any day when she disappeared.

JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.

yuppielawyer · 02-01-2009, 11:51 PM

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JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.

Those women tend to get caught pretty quickly. I'm doubtful that's what happened here.

TracyLynnS · 02-02-2009, 12:15 AM

Usually they do get caught quickly, but there's a lady in New York who's baby was abducted just as she and her sister walked out of the hospital with it to take the newborn home. That was around 1986 and the baby was never found.

Then there's Young Lay's newborn, who was abducted from his mother (who they murdered) and they didn't find the kid for 6 years.

So it's a possibility, just maybe not the most likely explanation for why she disappeared.

ms_bates · 01-07-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Justin, IIRC, she was 8 or 8 1/2 months pregnant, so she was ready to deliver any day when she disappeared.

JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.

I think your theory holds water, TracyLynn. We can't forget that it was a woman that had been making phone calls and trying to lure Ceceila out to meet her. I wonder if the police ever looked into the possibility, and perhaps checked to see if any women within say, a 50 mile radius, reported an "unattended home birth" around the date that Ceceilia vanished. Or maybe did so when it came time to get the baby a birth certificate? There could likely be a paper trail somewhere.

I understand that the husband is always going to be a suspect in these cases, but this guy just didn't give me the vibe that some previous UM spouses did. I think there are at least a few other possibilities in this case, I wish there were some updates!

fabgourmet · 01-08-2010, 05:03 PM

Hi,

I just watched this elsewhere online, it's definitely worth viewing for those unfamiliar with the story.

What I don't understand is why the police have stated their belief that the husband has something to do with her disappearance. I mean, it is possible that he knows more than he is telling but on both the Doe Network and the UM episode they mention that the police suspect the husband. I don't really understand why they would say this unless there is more they know that has been publicly released. Based on the information we know, it doesn't seem to lead to such a conclusion.

Also, it seems that the mysterious woman caller actually used the name of a co-worker of the husband's so she had some type of contact with the husband or knowledge of his workplace.

The whole thing seems very odd- the husband's strange behavior post-disappearance, the bizarre notes and 2 bizarre calls, nothing really adds up to anything. Also, the husband appears to have a complete and total lack of motive for both killing his wife and his stepson (or having them killed).

Troublesome case.

justins5256 · 01-08-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fabgourmet

What I don't understand is why the police have stated their belief that the husband has something to do with her disappearance. I mean, it is possible that he knows more than he is telling but on both the Doe Network and the UM episode they mention that the police suspect the husband. I don't really understand why they would say this unless there is more they know that has been publicly released. Based on the information we know, it doesn't seem to lead to such a conclusion.

Could just be because he is her husband and probably was the closest person to her at the time of her disappearance. Most murder investigations begin with the family unless it is immediately obvious that someone else was involved.

I re-read my earlier post on this thread, and having not seen the segment again more recently, I concur with what I said back then. I don't have a definite opinion on it. The husband could have done something to her, but I just didn't get the same vibe from Alfredo Newball that I did get from some other "concerned" spouses like Judy Groezinger, Mark Nichols, Paul Pollis, Don Sherman, etc. Just a gut feeling really.

kadrmas15 · 01-08-2010, 07:03 PM

Hmm, yes, I am inclined to agree with Justin and a few others. I do not know what it is but for some reason I have NEVER had even the slightest feeling that Alfredo Newbal did this or had anything to do with the disappearance of his wife and step son. Yes he should have been investigated as he was the husband, he was the stepfather and he was the presumed father of the child Ceceila was carrying. However I just do not think he did it for some reason, it is like with Justin, just a gut feeling.

I think the problem in this case was the LAPD was WAY too quick to focus in on Alfredo and only Alfredo and thus the opportunity to investigate other leads and other suspects ceased. It was tunnel vision. I actually do think it is very likely, that Ceceila was killed by this mystery woman. But who knows? I mean by all accounts, Alfredo and Ceceila had a good marriage, and that Alfredo and his stepson had a good relationship and got along well. So I just do not see the motive here. By all accounts Alfredo was excited that Ceceila was pregnant and was not apprehensive or angry or upset about it in anyway. So I do not know, only Alfredo knows for sure but I have always had the feeling that unlike some of the other 'concerned' spouses that Alfredo really is innocent.

09-09-2004, 08:21 PM	#1
Babydollz24 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 27, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 131	Ceceila Newball Hey did anyone see the case today about a young pregnant woman and her 6 year old son dissapearing? I was wondering if that case had ever been solved, and what year did this happen. Also what do you guys think? Do you think that the husband had anything to do with this?

09-19-2004, 04:00 PM	#3
hottstuff25 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 19, 2004 Posts: 42	cecelia I personally think that the husband knows who did the killing, or possibly even set up the killing, and he didn't do it just to save himself from obvious speculation, and also from his alibis from being at work or whatever. The mysterious phone calls she was getting from his co-workers and the threats make this seem evident to me. Since the husband didn't necessarily commit the crime, according to his plea, he can say he is 100% innocent, say she ran away, and get on with his life. The reasoning for her (and his son, which is even more sad if hes ever found dead) to be killed though is still a mystery to me. Everything seemed so perfect in the segment. It didnt make sense.

09-20-2004, 02:59 PM	#4
CrushedVelvet Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 25, 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 331	I remember the case but dont recall if they ever suspected that maybe she was being stalked for her unborn or not? Was that a theory? Man, this is exactly why I wish I had every espisode on tape
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09-09-2004, 08:30 PM	#2
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	I did a search after I saw this story today, their profile on Doe Network and MPCCN said they were still missing. I never used to think the husband was involved, he seemed to be telling the truth during his interview and when he said parts of the letter he received from Cecilia didn't sound like her made it seem as if he had no part in writing it. But on the other hand some things make him seem suspicious. The generic goodbye card and engagement and wedding rings in her jeep seem to have been planted. If it was a random person who abducted them, they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble. Also the fact that the letter from her wasn't handwritten so they couldn't verify it came from her. The most incriminating thing is when they said she didn't seem to take anything, clothes, toys, not even a toothbrush. So I would say I think the husband knows a lot more than he's saying.

01-20-2009, 03:52 PM	#6
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Wow, all these years and they are still missing. It seems like somebody involved would have slipped up somewhere along the way by now.

01-31-2009, 11:02 AM	#8
justins5256 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 08, 2002 Posts: 3,866	I never knew what to think of this case. I have searched on here a few times and it has not been discussed too often. It seems like someone was trying to lure her away from her home. The husband is the obvious suspect here, but on the other hand, he never did strike me as a murderer (assuming they are dead). Just a gut feeling. I think there was some evidence that she left intentionally and maybe that is the most reasonable explanation. I seem to recall a rather dubious note was found indicating that she met a rich man (was he a doctor?) and she wasn't sure if the baby she was carrying was her husband's or the lover's. Since she was that close to giving birth - correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought she was far along into the pregnancy - maybe she decided it would be better to leave then with her lover and start a new life in the event she did give birth and the baby looked nothing like her husband.

01-31-2009, 08:50 PM	#9
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Justin, IIRC, she was 8 or 8 1/2 months pregnant, so she was ready to deliver any day when she disappeared. JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.

02-02-2009, 12:15 AM	#11
TracyLynnS Don't Look Up Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 07, 2009 Posts: 3,107	Usually they do get caught quickly, but there's a lady in New York who's baby was abducted just as she and her sister walked out of the hospital with it to take the newborn home. That was around 1986 and the baby was never found. Then there's Young Lay's newborn, who was abducted from his mother (who they murdered) and they didn't find the kid for 6 years. So it's a possibility, just maybe not the most likely explanation for why she disappeared.

01-08-2010, 05:03 PM	#13
fabgourmet Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 28, 2006 Posts: 61	Hi, I just watched this elsewhere online, it's definitely worth viewing for those unfamiliar with the story. What I don't understand is why the police have stated their belief that the husband has something to do with her disappearance. I mean, it is possible that he knows more than he is telling but on both the Doe Network and the UM episode they mention that the police suspect the husband. I don't really understand why they would say this unless there is more they know that has been publicly released. Based on the information we know, it doesn't seem to lead to such a conclusion. Also, it seems that the mysterious woman caller actually used the name of a co-worker of the husband's so she had some type of contact with the husband or knowledge of his workplace. The whole thing seems very odd- the husband's strange behavior post-disappearance, the bizarre notes and 2 bizarre calls, nothing really adds up to anything. Also, the husband appears to have a complete and total lack of motive for both killing his wife and his stepson (or having them killed). Troublesome case.

01-08-2010, 07:03 PM	#15
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Hmm, yes, I am inclined to agree with Justin and a few others. I do not know what it is but for some reason I have NEVER had even the slightest feeling that Alfredo Newbal did this or had anything to do with the disappearance of his wife and step son. Yes he should have been investigated as he was the husband, he was the stepfather and he was the presumed father of the child Ceceila was carrying. However I just do not think he did it for some reason, it is like with Justin, just a gut feeling. I think the problem in this case was the LAPD was WAY too quick to focus in on Alfredo and only Alfredo and thus the opportunity to investigate other leads and other suspects ceased. It was tunnel vision. I actually do think it is very likely, that Ceceila was killed by this mystery woman. But who knows? I mean by all accounts, Alfredo and Ceceila had a good marriage, and that Alfredo and his stepson had a good relationship and got along well. So I just do not see the motive here. By all accounts Alfredo was excited that Ceceila was pregnant and was not apprehensive or angry or upset about it in anyway. So I do not know, only Alfredo knows for sure but I have always had the feeling that unlike some of the other 'concerned' spouses that Alfredo really is innocent.