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bry · 08-08-2004, 06:07 PM

"we show those guys what we were made of tonight or what?"

sam crawford is the topic of this episode. dave spends the early parts trying to figure out his thoughts and then interrupts maddie and sam on their date. sam invites him to join them. dave gets drunk. sam takes him home and it beocmes an adventure. but here we find out what kind of person sam is. his does his job of taking dave home and takes care of him on the way. even when randy cobb trashes dave on the parking lot.
sam gets dave in the bed and leaves him. he goes home to maddie and they dance to frank sinatra. it goes off "after". i feel that maddie is awake thinking about what she had just done with sam. when she really feels bad because it wasn't with dave. her feelings about dave came our weeks earlier, but she buried them.
the closing scene with the record player bumping at the end was a great moment. we see maddie thinking about things.

this is, to me, my favourite episode of the series. everyone was good in it. the emotion and the settings were all superb. acting was great. dialog was great. this episode and the previous one, "blonde on blonde", makes you feel for all the characters.

rating: 9.9

CindyK · 08-08-2004, 07:10 PM

Yes this is a great episode. And Bruce is just marvelous in it. This is the episode that supposedly he won an Emmy for...as best performance by leading actor in a dramatic series, 1986/87. He sure deserved it....not just for this episode...but for the entire 3rd season.

I love the scenes in the office between David and Maddie, you can really understand David's heartbreak and his frustration. And Maddie at the very end....that look on her face says it all....lying there in bed with Sam, feeling pretty lousy about it...clearly her heart is somewhere else.

david&maddie4ever · 08-09-2004, 03:13 PM

I loved this one, and you hit the nail on the head, Bobby, when you said that Sam really shows his true colors in his scene with Dave.

I remember that this was one of those torturous episodes...the kind that make you want to yell at the TV set and beat some sense into our two main characters. Starting around now, the romance is finally taking up the better portion of the show, if I remember correctly.

dlemond · 08-09-2004, 03:35 PM

What I distinctly remember about this episode is when they are at the restaurant and David says to Sam- after he finds out he is an astronaut- "bummer about those O-rings."

Yikes, that was just harsh stuff, you could see that the show was moving into a hardcore battle scenario.

bry · 08-09-2004, 05:18 PM

yeah, i though that was a hard jab, considering it was just a year after the challenger. definitely nothing to laugh about.

CindyK · 08-09-2004, 05:23 PM

No, I don't agree that this was a jab at NASA or at Sam. And I don't think David meant it as a joke. In the context of the conversation, David was offering his condolences to Sam being temporarily out of work while the O ring problem was being worked on. That shut down all flights. David wasn't jabbing at the problem, he was offering his sympathy to Sam about how tragic the Challenger situation had been and how it was still impacting the space program.

David did joke about many things at the dinner, but the Challanger tragedy was not one of them. The series would have been accused of not being timely had they had a story line about an astronaut at that time and place and not mentioned the Challenger situation.

bry · 08-09-2004, 07:33 PM

we disagree cindy, but it's no biggie. he may have been referring to all flights shut down, BUT, they were all shut down because of the challenger. but like i said, not a biggie.

CindyK · 08-09-2004, 07:55 PM

Yeah. It really is ok to disagree ya know. But please remember that Sam was who brought up the O rings in the conversation...he said something about nothing was going to be happening, not until they got those O-rings figured out. Then David responded with how it was a bummer about the O-rings. David did not bring the O-rings into the conversation, Sam did.

CyBr · 08-11-2004, 09:13 AM

This episode kinda made me squirm. The tension is heating up. David's about ready to explode when Maddie's late for work then takes a long lunch, even flirting with a client to get Maddie's attention. Thank goodness for the comic relief with "Wally's Wig World." David just seemed so desperate during the episode that it made me uncomfortable. I'm used to the old David being more cocky and self-assured outwardly. I thought the argument in the office was interesting when David accused Maddie of being irresponsible. It was like he was saying to her, "Yeah, I'm a goof off and a party guy but that wasn't serious. This is!" This one and Maddie's Turn to Cry really show how the frustration was building right up to the explosion with the 'Big Bang'.

marla · 11-14-2004, 04:53 PM

i really love elaine johnson!

i almost felt davids stomach sink when he found out that maddie had known sam since she was six. this is not a one night stand.

davids comment about the O-rings was such good shakespearan hostility that i actually got shivers from it.

david explaining the meaning of solid and then being used as a butter churn.

ok-this is the way i saw it.

maddie at the start of the episode had moved on from david. she had picked sam.

sam and maddie dancing-for me-showed what kind of lover he was. gentle, lovely, considerate, polite, 'soft spoken'.
there's a couple of problems with that. maddie herself isn't considerate, polite, soft spoken. sam and maddie are not a match.
also maddie told me what she wanted in the previous episode. she wanted 'bad'. sams not bad.
when i saw maddie lying in bed with her eyes open after having made love with sam- i thought she might of been 'satisfied'-but not the way she needs or wants to be. she was let down.

CindyK · 11-14-2004, 11:31 PM

Funny that you should like Elaine Johnson. I guess your opinion about her changes after you see Maddie's Turn to Cry, huh?

Elaine Johnson was a potential red herring in this episode. At one point when David flirts openly with her in front of Maddie, you think that in David's state of mind he might actually pursue this fliration more sorta on the rebound. But then nothing becomes of this at all... Even when in the next episode they go and give her the pictures.... there is no hit of any interaction between her and David at all..... like his interest and her interest back never even happened.

Maybe Elaine recognized all along that it was all put on by David for Maddie's benefit. Her comment about the difference in how men and women show their love indicates she has some intuition about what is going on between Maddie and David.

kismet · 11-15-2004, 10:39 AM

I didn't think the look on Maddie's face at the end of this episode had anything to do with Sam. I always thought she was thinking of David, and that she knew she was heading down the safe but wrong path with Sam. I never took "the look" as having anything to do with being sexually satisfied.

kismet · 11-15-2004, 10:42 AM

I have another comment -- about the dance scene with Sam and Maddie.

I thought Sam (Mark Harmon) looked kind of wooden in this scene, BUT Cybill looked very sensual. The way she runs her face against him -- oooooooh very, very sensual.

marla · 11-16-2004, 05:18 PM

i really laughed when elaine johnson said she thought her boyfriend was in love with his wife. she was so serious!

i think maddie was right when she said that david was doing the flirting to get to maddie. i don't think david had any intention of following threw with elaine johnson.

maddie has been sexy, sensual and a real 'door slammer' from day one in this series. that's why i thought the 'wooden' sam didn't make her happy.

08-08-2004, 06:07 PM	#1
bry Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 21, 2003 Location: n.c. Posts: 819	"Sam and Dave" "we show those guys what we were made of tonight or what?" sam crawford is the topic of this episode. dave spends the early parts trying to figure out his thoughts and then interrupts maddie and sam on their date. sam invites him to join them. dave gets drunk. sam takes him home and it beocmes an adventure. but here we find out what kind of person sam is. his does his job of taking dave home and takes care of him on the way. even when randy cobb trashes dave on the parking lot. sam gets dave in the bed and leaves him. he goes home to maddie and they dance to frank sinatra. it goes off "after". i feel that maddie is awake thinking about what she had just done with sam. when she really feels bad because it wasn't with dave. her feelings about dave came our weeks earlier, but she buried them. the closing scene with the record player bumping at the end was a great moment. we see maddie thinking about things. this is, to me, my favourite episode of the series. everyone was good in it. the emotion and the settings were all superb. acting was great. dialog was great. this episode and the previous one, "blonde on blonde", makes you feel for all the characters. rating: 9.9
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08-08-2004, 07:10 PM	#2
CindyK Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 10, 2004 Location: Panama City Beach Florida Posts: 639	Yes this is a great episode. And Bruce is just marvelous in it. This is the episode that supposedly he won an Emmy for...as best performance by leading actor in a dramatic series, 1986/87. He sure deserved it....not just for this episode...but for the entire 3rd season. I love the scenes in the office between David and Maddie, you can really understand David's heartbreak and his frustration. And Maddie at the very end....that look on her face says it all....lying there in bed with Sam, feeling pretty lousy about it...clearly her heart is somewhere else.
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08-09-2004, 03:13 PM	#3
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11-15-2004, 10:39 AM	#12
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	I didn't think the look on Maddie's face at the end of this episode had anything to do with Sam. I always thought she was thinking of David, and that she knew she was heading down the safe but wrong path with Sam. I never took "the look" as having anything to do with being sexually satisfied.
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08-09-2004, 03:35 PM	#4
dlemond Hey, I know you. Moderator Forum Veteran Join Date: Dec 03, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 6,751	What I distinctly remember about this episode is when they are at the restaurant and David says to Sam- after he finds out he is an astronaut- "bummer about those O-rings." Yikes, that was just harsh stuff, you could see that the show was moving into a hardcore battle scenario.

08-09-2004, 05:18 PM	#5
bry Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 21, 2003 Location: n.c. Posts: 819	yeah, i though that was a hard jab, considering it was just a year after the challenger. definitely nothing to laugh about.

08-09-2004, 05:23 PM	#6
CindyK Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 10, 2004 Location: Panama City Beach Florida Posts: 639	No, I don't agree that this was a jab at NASA or at Sam. And I don't think David meant it as a joke. In the context of the conversation, David was offering his condolences to Sam being temporarily out of work while the O ring problem was being worked on. That shut down all flights. David wasn't jabbing at the problem, he was offering his sympathy to Sam about how tragic the Challenger situation had been and how it was still impacting the space program. David did joke about many things at the dinner, but the Challanger tragedy was not one of them. The series would have been accused of not being timely had they had a story line about an astronaut at that time and place and not mentioned the Challenger situation.

08-09-2004, 07:33 PM	#7
bry Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 21, 2003 Location: n.c. Posts: 819	we disagree cindy, but it's no biggie. he may have been referring to all flights shut down, BUT, they were all shut down because of the challenger. but like i said, not a biggie.

08-09-2004, 07:55 PM	#8
CindyK Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 10, 2004 Location: Panama City Beach Florida Posts: 639	Yeah. It really is ok to disagree ya know. But please remember that Sam was who brought up the O rings in the conversation...he said something about nothing was going to be happening, not until they got those O-rings figured out. Then David responded with how it was a bummer about the O-rings. David did not bring the O-rings into the conversation, Sam did.

08-11-2004, 09:13 AM	#9
CyBr Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 17, 2004 Posts: 515	This episode kinda made me squirm. The tension is heating up. David's about ready to explode when Maddie's late for work then takes a long lunch, even flirting with a client to get Maddie's attention. Thank goodness for the comic relief with "Wally's Wig World." David just seemed so desperate during the episode that it made me uncomfortable. I'm used to the old David being more cocky and self-assured outwardly. I thought the argument in the office was interesting when David accused Maddie of being irresponsible. It was like he was saying to her, "Yeah, I'm a goof off and a party guy but that wasn't serious. This is!" This one and Maddie's Turn to Cry really show how the frustration was building right up to the explosion with the 'Big Bang'.

11-14-2004, 04:53 PM	#10
marla Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 12, 2004 Location: usa Posts: 124	i really love elaine johnson! i almost felt davids stomach sink when he found out that maddie had known sam since she was six. this is not a one night stand. davids comment about the O-rings was such good shakespearan hostility that i actually got shivers from it. david explaining the meaning of solid and then being used as a butter churn. ok-this is the way i saw it. maddie at the start of the episode had moved on from david. she had picked sam. sam and maddie dancing-for me-showed what kind of lover he was. gentle, lovely, considerate, polite, 'soft spoken'. there's a couple of problems with that. maddie herself isn't considerate, polite, soft spoken. sam and maddie are not a match. also maddie told me what she wanted in the previous episode. she wanted 'bad'. sams not bad. when i saw maddie lying in bed with her eyes open after having made love with sam- i thought she might of been 'satisfied'-but not the way she needs or wants to be. she was let down.

11-14-2004, 11:31 PM	#11
CindyK Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jun 10, 2004 Location: Panama City Beach Florida Posts: 639	Funny that you should like Elaine Johnson. I guess your opinion about her changes after you see Maddie's Turn to Cry, huh? Elaine Johnson was a potential red herring in this episode. At one point when David flirts openly with her in front of Maddie, you think that in David's state of mind he might actually pursue this fliration more sorta on the rebound. But then nothing becomes of this at all... Even when in the next episode they go and give her the pictures.... there is no hit of any interaction between her and David at all..... like his interest and her interest back never even happened. Maybe Elaine recognized all along that it was all put on by David for Maddie's benefit. Her comment about the difference in how men and women show their love indicates she has some intuition about what is going on between Maddie and David.

11-15-2004, 10:42 AM	#13
kismet I'm addicted too! Senior Member Join Date: Jul 14, 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 1,239	I have another comment -- about the dance scene with Sam and Maddie. I thought Sam (Mark Harmon) looked kind of wooden in this scene, BUT Cybill looked very sensual. The way she runs her face against him -- oooooooh very, very sensual.

11-16-2004, 05:18 PM	#14
marla Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Sep 12, 2004 Location: usa Posts: 124	i really laughed when elaine johnson said she thought her boyfriend was in love with his wife. she was so serious! i think maddie was right when she said that david was doing the flirting to get to maddie. i don't think david had any intention of following threw with elaine johnson. maddie has been sexy, sensual and a real 'door slammer' from day one in this series. that's why i thought the 'wooden' sam didn't make her happy.