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JohnMill · 07-12-2004, 12:28 AM

Some of the most interesting cases that UM has done at least in my opinion are those involving missing/kidnapped children. There have been several to speak of: Here are a select few

Kerry/Carrie Lynn Nixon - Teenage girl who disappeared while running a late night errand for her father, I believe she was going to buy some milk and a romance novel from a local conveinence store. UM had a creepy shot of "her" walking home down a dark street lit by the light of a lone streetlight. A few months later a woman recalled speaking to two girls she met at a cook out and one of them claimed to be Kerry Lynn Nixon. The woman never saw this girl again, and the girl who "Kerry Lynn" was with later had a memory blockage about the whole thing. Anyhow sadly in an update segment Kerry Lynn Nixon's body was found just a few short blocks form where she disappeared and police suspect she was killed soon after she vanished. Sad story

Robbie Baskin/Katherine Baskin - Brother and sister abducted by their non custodial grandparents Marvin and Sandra Maple. The Maples made outlandish accusations (later all proven false) that their daughter and her husband were abusing their children. The court granted temporary custody to the grandparents who then apparently fled with the children due to the genius concept known as "family law". UM profiled this case several times to no avail although they did turn up a few leads that fifteen years ago (giving you an idea as to how dated this case is) The Maples were living with their grandchildren in Santa Clara, California under the name The Farmers. They had also changed Katherine's name to Robin I believe. I'll buck the trend here and say that The Maples are not necessirily evil people but instead may have had a mental breakdown or illness of some sort leading them to suffer dillusions about their grandchildren's enviorment. It seems to me that if this case ever is solved (which is unlikely as the years go by - Robbie would now be 23 and Katherine 24) one of the most interesting aspects would be to find out the motive for the abduction in the first place.

Nyleen Kaye Marshall - In an area of study in which every case is disturbing this one is especially disturbing. Four year old Nyleen Kaye Marshall disappeared in 1983 while on a hiking trip with her parents. Nyleen's abductor later mailed several letters to the police from the Dane county, Wisconsin area claiming to have a girl named "Kay" (believed to be the abducted) and that he loved her, provided for her and took her on trips to Japan and London but just couldn't give her up. However as the letter continues apparently some of the things described lead investigators to believe that perhaps some explotation might had gone on. Regardless the abductor had also made telephone calls from the area describing information that was not widely known about Nyleen and their were even a few sightings as well. Nyleen would now be in her mid 20s possibly with a family of her own totally unaware of her true identity.

Morgan Nick - I posted on this a few weeks back - Six year old girl who disappeared in Arkansas in 1995 during a softball game when she wandered off to dig in the dirt. Authorities believe she was abducted by a dishelved looking man who was seen near her prior to her disappearance. Morgan's mother Colleen has founded "The Morgan Nick Foundation" in an effort to find missing children and they have a sketch of the alleged abductor on that site which you can find at the bottom of this post. There have been a few possible sightings of Morgan but due to this case still being "new" (although Morgan would be 15 this year) a lot of information is not publically known probably to preserve Morgan's safety.

In my opinion both Nyleen Kay Marshall and Morgan Nick are likely still alive while the baskins are probably dead. My reasoning is based on these two facts

1) There have been sightings of Nyleen and Morgan but none of The Baskins since 1989. People just don't drop off the face of the earth, they stay in contact with at least a small amount of people in society - someone has to know something and the fact that so little has crept out in regard to the Baskin case leads me to believe that the children are no longer with us.

2) The Nyleen Kaye Marshall case is especially interesting as by now Nyleen if she is still alive which I believe she is would be of age. There is going to come a point in her (and maybe even Morgan's) life that some documents will have to be produced regarding identity. Although I am aware that documents can be dummied up, there are several instances in which these falsehoods could be easily detected. In a case it is just going to be a matter of the right information getting to these people who in reality have "no real past".

This also works against the baskin children as it was their grandparents and not strangers who abducted them. While it is very likely that they do not have the "full true story" they might think everything is perfectly fine as perhaps their grandparents told them their parents are in jail or dead. Also the threat of killing both children rather than have them returned to their parents deeply concerns me.

Later.

http://www.morgannick.com/

dynoguy88 · 07-12-2004, 01:23 AM

Is it possible for BOTH the husband and wife to have mental breakdowns at the same time? I can't help but look at Sandra and Marvin Maple as evil. They were completely unreasonable about the whole issue involving the grandchildren long before they kidnapped them.

All the tension and drama started in the first place all because Mark and Debbie Baskin wanted to take Kristi and Bobby home with them after they had stayed with the Maple's through most of the summer and on to Christmas. Sandra acted as though Debbie was this horrible person just because she wanted her children back saying, "They are a part of our family now, you can't do this to me." O.K., I'm all for loving your grandchildren, but this is taking it way too far. You have to let your children lead their own lives. Sandra and Marvin were NOT THE PARENTS of these kids, therefore they had no right to get all angry over the Baskin's wanting to retrieve their children. Any sane grandparent knows this, but they obviously didn't.

The most confusing part was why the Baskin's didn't take the children home with them anyway after Christmas in the first place. I'm guessing it's because they wanted to keep some sort of peace in the family but they still should have taken the children back with them.

I don't know.....you may have a point about them having some sort of mental illness. The fact that the Maple's told police that they would kill the kids before ever seeing them returned to their parents makes me think that. Especially since the Baskin's never did anything to deserve such abuse. Anyone that is crazy enough to do this to their own daughter just might be crazy enough to do almost anything. But a part of me feels that the threat to kill the kids was just a ploy used by them to get the Baskin's to give up their search.

I'd really hate to think that the Maple's could put so much pain to their family in this way and not get punished.

justins5256 · 07-12-2004, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by JohnMill
Anyhow sadly in an update segment Kerry Lynn Nixon's body was found just a few short blocks form where she disappeared and police suspect she was killed soon after she vanished. Sad story

A slight correction - her killer, who was already imprisoned for another crime, confessed to her murder in 1993, and led authorities to the makeshift grave.

Justin

Fletch · 07-12-2004, 03:35 AM

I had seen that case, but didn't know it was updated....

How sad. It just goes to show how messed up our world had become.

Fletch · 07-12-2004, 03:36 AM

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Originally posted by justins5256
A slight correction - her killer, who was already imprisoned for another crime, confessed to her murder in 1993, and led authorities to the makeshift grave.

Justin

Was it a well hidden grave? If it was so close to where she vanished, how did the police not find it?

Rieder · 07-12-2004, 08:22 AM

The disappearance of at least four girls in the San Francisco Bay area in the late 1980s and early 1990s remains unsolved. In 1988, 8 year old Amber Swartz disappeared from her front yard. Three days later Timothy Bindner visited Swartz's mother and became emotional when discussing Amber. Five months later Michaela Garecht disappeared from Hayward. Two months later 13 year old Ilene Misheloff disappeared from Dublin. In 1992, 4 year old Nikki Campbell disappeared while playing in her driveway in the town of Fairfield.

Timothy Bindner is suspected of abducting and probably murdering the four girls and several others. He was involved in the search for Amber Swartz and Ilene Misheloff. He sent girls in the Bay area birthday cards and one child's parent contacted authorities when the message on the card was written backwards and required a mirror to decipher it. Bindner visited the grave of five year old Angela Bugay who was abducted and murdered in Antioch in November 1983 on average 90 times a year when the FBI conducted surveillance. Her mother's former boyfriend was found guilty of Bugay's murder in 2002.

John Philpin, a Harvard educated psychologist wrote the book, Stalemate discussing Bindner and the abduction of several girls in the Bay area. It suggests Bindner could me a serial murderer. Bindner was employed as a grave digger and presented a theory on how the murderer or murderers disposed of the physical evidence. Bindner claimed the killer or killers secretly buried the corpses of missing children in open graves the night before funerals. The evidence would be conveniently concealed by the casket meant for that grave.

Kane · 07-12-2004, 09:10 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch
Was it a well hidden grave? If it was so close to where she vanished, how did the police not find it?

It could be very well that the grave was in an area so seldom used that even most local residents don't usually go there. Also, even if the grave wasn't very deep, it may not have been shallow enough to be easily detected.

Just a thought.

JohnMill · 07-12-2004, 10:58 AM

Kane's post got me thinking - could this also be the case with Angela Hammond?

Later.

Zero · 07-15-2004, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by Rieder
The disappearance of at least four girls in the San Francisco Bay area in the late 1980s and early 1990s remains unsolved. In 1988, 8 year old Amber Swartz disappeared from her front yard. Three days later Timothy Bindner visited Swartz's mother and became emotional when discussing Amber. Five months later Michaela Garecht disappeared from Hayward. Two months later 13 year old Ilene Misheloff disappeared from Dublin. In 1992, 4 year old Nikki Campbell disappeared while playing in her driveway in the town of Fairfield.

If I'm not mistaken, during the mid to late 80's they would run tv commercials about Michaela Garecht's abduction with some sad acoustic guitar music in the background. They also threw in a composite sketch. A VERY SCARY one of a suspect that was thought to be a white male (or female?) with shoulder length dirty blond hair. They even had that case profiled on America's Most Wanted with that same sketch, only they profiled all 4 girls, not just Michaela. Anyone else remember this and the scary drawing?

CrushedVelvet · 08-08-2004, 03:43 AM

John MIll, just out of curiosity, why do you believe that Morgan Nick is still alive? Did i miss something in you rpost? Sometimes I scan when I read and miss things...???

JohnMill · 08-10-2004, 02:09 AM

There have been numerous sightings of Nick since her 1995 disappearance although none in recent years - none at least that Colleen Nick and her family are letting us know about likely to ensure Morgan's safety. That is the thing with these missing childrens cases folks, a lot of information is surpressed due to the sensitive nature of the cases. I often wonder about Morgan and Nyleen and The Baskins and wonder if they are still alive and if they are it is more likely that they have no memory of their "past life" and live in complete ignorance with the person who kidnapped them or in Nyleen's case possibly independant of that person (Nyleen now being in her mid 20s if she is still alive)

Equally baffling is the baskins, it is my belief they believe their parents are dead but in a world of internet and so much information being able to be procured it is a wonder how they have not stumbled onto the truth yet.

Later.

Composite Sketch · 08-10-2004, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zero
If I'm not mistaken, during the mid to late 80's they would run tv commercials about Michaela Garecht's abduction with some sad acoustic guitar music in the background. They also threw in a composite sketch. A VERY SCARY one of a suspect that was thought to be a white male (or female?) with shoulder length dirty blond hair. They even had that case profiled on America's Most Wanted with that same sketch, only they profiled all 4 girls, not just Michaela. Anyone else remember this and the scary drawing?

Was this it? (I have never seen the AMW or 1989 UM segments on it)

I'm not surprised that AMW showed this case, it's the type of case that John Walsh would jump on, as it is loosely similar to how his son Adam was abducted.

justins5256 · 08-10-2004, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zero
If I'm not mistaken, during the mid to late 80's they would run tv commercials about Michaela Garecht's abduction with some sad acoustic guitar music in the background. They also threw in a composite sketch. A VERY SCARY one of a suspect that was thought to be a white male (or female?) with shoulder length dirty blond hair. They even had that case profiled on America's Most Wanted with that same sketch, only they profiled all 4 girls, not just Michaela. Anyone else remember this and the scary drawing?

I think I remember the AMW story. Didn't the police have some information that a group of individuals were kidnapping children for prostitution/slavery purposes? I seem to remember they got a letter from a kid who had been abducted (and possibly rescued from these people) and he said he had met Michaela and some of the others. He even identified a few of the kidnappers (by first name at least). For example, the blonde man who kidnapped Michaela was named "Tony". Anyone else remember this?

Justin

Rieder · 08-11-2004, 04:55 AM

It was the first sketch issued by law enforcement in the abduction of Michaela Garecht. A refined sketch was issued later that resembled Timothy Bindner. Binder is considered the primary suspect in the abduction of Garecht and several other girls in the San Francisco Bay area.

Composite Sketch · 08-11-2004, 11:32 AM

That's right! This is the second composite made:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/i..._abductor2.jpg

And it ressembles a younger Tim Bindner (photo below taken in 2001):

http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/images/Bindner.jpg

Coincidence can only go so far, and there's no smoke without fire......

(Since it's Angelfire, you must copy and paste the URLs into your toolbar and press Enter to see the pictures, or go here: http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/garecht.html)

07-12-2004, 12:28 AM	#1
JohnMill Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2001 Posts: 85	Missing Children Some of the most interesting cases that UM has done at least in my opinion are those involving missing/kidnapped children. There have been several to speak of: Here are a select few Kerry/Carrie Lynn Nixon - Teenage girl who disappeared while running a late night errand for her father, I believe she was going to buy some milk and a romance novel from a local conveinence store. UM had a creepy shot of "her" walking home down a dark street lit by the light of a lone streetlight. A few months later a woman recalled speaking to two girls she met at a cook out and one of them claimed to be Kerry Lynn Nixon. The woman never saw this girl again, and the girl who "Kerry Lynn" was with later had a memory blockage about the whole thing. Anyhow sadly in an update segment Kerry Lynn Nixon's body was found just a few short blocks form where she disappeared and police suspect she was killed soon after she vanished. Sad story Robbie Baskin/Katherine Baskin - Brother and sister abducted by their non custodial grandparents Marvin and Sandra Maple. The Maples made outlandish accusations (later all proven false) that their daughter and her husband were abusing their children. The court granted temporary custody to the grandparents who then apparently fled with the children due to the genius concept known as "family law". UM profiled this case several times to no avail although they did turn up a few leads that fifteen years ago (giving you an idea as to how dated this case is) The Maples were living with their grandchildren in Santa Clara, California under the name The Farmers. They had also changed Katherine's name to Robin I believe. I'll buck the trend here and say that The Maples are not necessirily evil people but instead may have had a mental breakdown or illness of some sort leading them to suffer dillusions about their grandchildren's enviorment. It seems to me that if this case ever is solved (which is unlikely as the years go by - Robbie would now be 23 and Katherine 24) one of the most interesting aspects would be to find out the motive for the abduction in the first place. Nyleen Kaye Marshall - In an area of study in which every case is disturbing this one is especially disturbing. Four year old Nyleen Kaye Marshall disappeared in 1983 while on a hiking trip with her parents. Nyleen's abductor later mailed several letters to the police from the Dane county, Wisconsin area claiming to have a girl named "Kay" (believed to be the abducted) and that he loved her, provided for her and took her on trips to Japan and London but just couldn't give her up. However as the letter continues apparently some of the things described lead investigators to believe that perhaps some explotation might had gone on. Regardless the abductor had also made telephone calls from the area describing information that was not widely known about Nyleen and their were even a few sightings as well. Nyleen would now be in her mid 20s possibly with a family of her own totally unaware of her true identity. Morgan Nick - I posted on this a few weeks back - Six year old girl who disappeared in Arkansas in 1995 during a softball game when she wandered off to dig in the dirt. Authorities believe she was abducted by a dishelved looking man who was seen near her prior to her disappearance. Morgan's mother Colleen has founded "The Morgan Nick Foundation" in an effort to find missing children and they have a sketch of the alleged abductor on that site which you can find at the bottom of this post. There have been a few possible sightings of Morgan but due to this case still being "new" (although Morgan would be 15 this year) a lot of information is not publically known probably to preserve Morgan's safety. In my opinion both Nyleen Kay Marshall and Morgan Nick are likely still alive while the baskins are probably dead. My reasoning is based on these two facts 1) There have been sightings of Nyleen and Morgan but none of The Baskins since 1989. People just don't drop off the face of the earth, they stay in contact with at least a small amount of people in society - someone has to know something and the fact that so little has crept out in regard to the Baskin case leads me to believe that the children are no longer with us. 2) The Nyleen Kaye Marshall case is especially interesting as by now Nyleen if she is still alive which I believe she is would be of age. There is going to come a point in her (and maybe even Morgan's) life that some documents will have to be produced regarding identity. Although I am aware that documents can be dummied up, there are several instances in which these falsehoods could be easily detected. In a case it is just going to be a matter of the right information getting to these people who in reality have "no real past". This also works against the baskin children as it was their grandparents and not strangers who abducted them. While it is very likely that they do not have the "full true story" they might think everything is perfectly fine as perhaps their grandparents told them their parents are in jail or dead. Also the threat of killing both children rather than have them returned to their parents deeply concerns me. Later. http://www.morgannick.com/
	Last edited by JohnMill; 07-12-2004 at 12:43 AM.

07-12-2004, 01:23 AM	#2
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,672	reply Is it possible for BOTH the husband and wife to have mental breakdowns at the same time? I can't help but look at Sandra and Marvin Maple as evil. They were completely unreasonable about the whole issue involving the grandchildren long before they kidnapped them. All the tension and drama started in the first place all because Mark and Debbie Baskin wanted to take Kristi and Bobby home with them after they had stayed with the Maple's through most of the summer and on to Christmas. Sandra acted as though Debbie was this horrible person just because she wanted her children back saying, "They are a part of our family now, you can't do this to me." O.K., I'm all for loving your grandchildren, but this is taking it way too far. You have to let your children lead their own lives. Sandra and Marvin were NOT THE PARENTS of these kids, therefore they had no right to get all angry over the Baskin's wanting to retrieve their children. Any sane grandparent knows this, but they obviously didn't. The most confusing part was why the Baskin's didn't take the children home with them anyway after Christmas in the first place. I'm guessing it's because they wanted to keep some sort of peace in the family but they still should have taken the children back with them. I don't know.....you may have a point about them having some sort of mental illness. The fact that the Maple's told police that they would kill the kids before ever seeing them returned to their parents makes me think that. Especially since the Baskin's never did anything to deserve such abuse. Anyone that is crazy enough to do this to their own daughter just might be crazy enough to do almost anything. But a part of me feels that the threat to kill the kids was just a ploy used by them to get the Baskin's to give up their search. I'd really hate to think that the Maple's could put so much pain to their family in this way and not get punished.

08-08-2004, 03:43 AM	#10
CrushedVelvet Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 25, 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 331	John MIll, just out of curiosity, why do you believe that Morgan Nick is still alive? Did i miss something in you rpost? Sometimes I scan when I read and miss things...???
	__________________ CrushedVelvet

08-10-2004, 02:09 AM	#11
JohnMill Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2001 Posts: 85	Morgan There have been numerous sightings of Nick since her 1995 disappearance although none in recent years - none at least that Colleen Nick and her family are letting us know about likely to ensure Morgan's safety. That is the thing with these missing childrens cases folks, a lot of information is surpressed due to the sensitive nature of the cases. I often wonder about Morgan and Nyleen and The Baskins and wonder if they are still alive and if they are it is more likely that they have no memory of their "past life" and live in complete ignorance with the person who kidnapped them or in Nyleen's case possibly independant of that person (Nyleen now being in her mid 20s if she is still alive) Equally baffling is the baskins, it is my belief they believe their parents are dead but in a world of internet and so much information being able to be procured it is a wonder how they have not stumbled onto the truth yet. Later.

07-12-2004, 03:35 AM	#4
Fletch Cabin fever Frequent Poster Join Date: May 10, 2002 Posts: 485	I had seen that case, but didn't know it was updated.... How sad. It just goes to show how messed up our world had become.

07-12-2004, 08:22 AM	#6
Rieder Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 24, 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 83	The disappearance of at least four girls in the San Francisco Bay area in the late 1980s and early 1990s remains unsolved. In 1988, 8 year old Amber Swartz disappeared from her front yard. Three days later Timothy Bindner visited Swartz's mother and became emotional when discussing Amber. Five months later Michaela Garecht disappeared from Hayward. Two months later 13 year old Ilene Misheloff disappeared from Dublin. In 1992, 4 year old Nikki Campbell disappeared while playing in her driveway in the town of Fairfield. Timothy Bindner is suspected of abducting and probably murdering the four girls and several others. He was involved in the search for Amber Swartz and Ilene Misheloff. He sent girls in the Bay area birthday cards and one child's parent contacted authorities when the message on the card was written backwards and required a mirror to decipher it. Bindner visited the grave of five year old Angela Bugay who was abducted and murdered in Antioch in November 1983 on average 90 times a year when the FBI conducted surveillance. Her mother's former boyfriend was found guilty of Bugay's murder in 2002. John Philpin, a Harvard educated psychologist wrote the book, Stalemate discussing Bindner and the abduction of several girls in the Bay area. It suggests Bindner could me a serial murderer. Bindner was employed as a grave digger and presented a theory on how the murderer or murderers disposed of the physical evidence. Bindner claimed the killer or killers secretly buried the corpses of missing children in open graves the night before funerals. The evidence would be conveniently concealed by the casket meant for that grave.

07-12-2004, 10:58 AM	#8
JohnMill Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 22, 2001 Posts: 85	Kane's post got me thinking - could this also be the case with Angela Hammond? Later.

08-11-2004, 04:55 AM	#14
Rieder Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Apr 24, 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 83	It was the first sketch issued by law enforcement in the abduction of Michaela Garecht. A refined sketch was issued later that resembled Timothy Bindner. Binder is considered the primary suspect in the abduction of Garecht and several other girls in the San Francisco Bay area.

08-11-2004, 11:32 AM	#15
Composite Sketch Staring at you Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 26, 2003 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 304	That's right! This is the second composite made: http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/i..._abductor2.jpg And it ressembles a younger Tim Bindner (photo below taken in 2001): http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/images/Bindner.jpg Coincidence can only go so far, and there's no smoke without fire...... (Since it's Angelfire, you must copy and paste the URLs into your toolbar and press Enter to see the pictures, or go here: http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/garecht.html)