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Kane · 07-06-2004, 06:58 PM

http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/h...news/25341.htm

I came upon a recent article on Curtis Pishon, who was profiled on UM in 2001. For those unfamiliar with the case, he was the New Hampshire security guard who disappeared from his workplace in July of 2000. He was once a police officer, but had to give up that job because of multiple sclerosis. One of puzzling things about the case was that, on the night he vanished, he seemed nonchalant when his car was mysteriously burned.

Not long before his disappearance, however, he had expressed some concern about his safety at the plant where he worked, and that he suspect there were illegal activities going on there.

There is no update on the case, but the article above is worth reading anyway.

crystaldawn · 07-06-2004, 07:04 PM

Also of interest, according to the Lifetime website that story is going to be on on Friday in case anyone needs their memory refreshed.

Mystery-Lover · 07-09-2004, 10:03 PM

That case was on today 7/9/04 on Lifetime at 12:00p.m. I'm not sure if he ran away or was abducted and murdered. Apparently he was a security guard for something in New Hampshire. His car got caught on fire suspiciously. Either he set the car ablaze by an accident while he was smoking or arsonists set his car on fire. It is believed then that he just walked away because he was mentally disturbed by the fire and he might of had a stressful life or arsonists set his car on fire because he saw something that he wasn't supposed to. He may have been abducted by the arsonists and murdered. The case is still unsolved!

Kane · 07-11-2004, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mystery-Lover
Apparently he was a security guard for something in New Hampshire.

He was a security guard at Venture Corp., in Seabrook, NH.

SJP1313 · 07-12-2004, 05:24 PM

I live in NH and happen to be from the same town that Curtis Pishons parents now live in, the same town Curtis was an officer in, And didnt live far from the town he disappeared from.
When Curtis disappeared, there was VERY LITTLE if any, news coverage. For some reason there was never a big deal made about it. A few articles, small blurbs in the paper. I dont know, but to me, any missing person is a big deal. You would think that there would have been news coverage, fliers, something, anything. Especially since he had multiple sclerosis. But there wasnt.
Even to this day, there is no mention of him. His parents have an unlisted phone number, which on one hand, I can surely understand, but on the other I dont know if I could have an unlisted number after my child disappeared. Id always have that hope that they were alive, and look up the number, you know? Im in no place to judge the decisions these people have made, these are just my opinions.
Glad to see someone here is posting about him!!

Kane · 07-12-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by SJP1313
When Curtis disappeared, there was VERY LITTLE if any, news coverage. For some reason there was never a big deal made about it. A few articles, small blurbs in the paper. I dont know, but to me, any missing person is a big deal. You would think that there would have been news coverage, fliers, something, anything. Especially since he had multiple sclerosis. But there wasnt.
Even to this day, there is no mention of him. His parents have an unlisted phone number, which on one hand, I can surely understand, but on the other I dont know if I could have an unlisted number after my child disappeared. Id always have that hope that they were alive, and look up the number, you know? Im in no place to judge the decisions these people have made, these are just my opinions.
Glad to see someone here is posting about him!!

Even though I live in Massachusetts (which is adjacent to NH), I had no idea that the Curtis Pishon case had minimal exposure at the time Pishon disappeared. I really knew nothing about the case until I saw it profiled on Unsolved Mysteries in 2001.

When I look at the case of Curtis Pishon, I find it hard not to feel sad, and for good reason: Here we have a man who spent a good number of years as a policeman. And then, he lost that job when he came down with multiple sclerosis. By many accounts, Pishon was thankful to be working again when he was hired as a security guard at the Venture Corporation manufacturing plant in Seabrook, NH. However, he was despondent about the conditions of his personal life: he was residing in a residential hotel, and the effects of his MS left him in constant pain.

If you're reading this, SJP1313, it is a real shame that Curtis Pishon's case didn't get enough media exposure. Therefore, I am glad to be discussing it.

I am reminded of what Horatio Caine (David Caruso's character on CSI: Miami) said after a missing Hispanic girl's parents lamented to the effect that no one cares: "That's not true. Almost no one."

SJP1313 · 07-12-2004, 09:46 PM

Im in total agreement with you Kane. Im shocked to find out how many ppl in NH have disappeared with NO trace and NO media coverage. Im not sure if they dont cover it on purpose, so as not to deter the many tourist that flock here each year, or if its simply a case of "almost nobody caring" Whatever the reason, its a total disgrace.
Recently there has been a lot of coverage of Maura Murray who disappeared after driving to Northern NH and getting into a car accident. She was a student at UMASS. With all the exposure this case is receiving, I wonder why is she the only one. Ofcourse not that she doesnt deserve it, but so do so many others-

Maura Murray- Haverhill NH
Lorne Boulet- Chichester NH
Tina and Bethany Sinclair- Chesterfield NH
Sara & Philip Ghering- Concord NH (Partially solved, bodies never recovered)
Ted Lenda- Dunbarton NH
Amie Riley-Manchester NH (Body recovered) still unsolved

So many more, but like Curtis, not many articles, or publicity. My prayers go out to everyone who has lost someone.

Thanks for writing back Kane.

mozartpc27 · 01-30-2008, 03:38 PM

So, Curtis Pishon's case hasn't generated much discussion. It was included on crystaldawn's most recent compilation (volume 13). I think it's almost certain he wandered off, and perhaps eventually killed himself or simply got picked up and is away somewhere, unaware of who he is.

First, the abduction theory: I think this is really lacking evidence. Family members were intrigued that he left his cigarettes behind. I don't think this proves much; he was probably in a highly agitated state, perhaps actively suffering a nervous breakdown. I don't think there's much accounting for anything someone does in that scenario. The sequence of events, to me, rules out the abduction theory: FIRST, he finds his car ablaze, and attempts to put the fire out. NEXT, he calls the fire department, which arrives and puts the fire out, but too late. Then and only then, he's suddenly abducted? If the fire were set by the people who abducted him, it would obviously be done for 1 of 2 reasons (or possibly both): 1) to destroy any evidence that might have been left in the car by the perpetrators, and 2) to get Curtis' attention, to bring him to a particular spot that was previously staked out. Why then allow him to call the fire department, and allow them to arrive, BEFORE taking him? I suppose one could argue this was all part of some elaborate, master-plan to make it look like he suffered a nervous breakdown when actually he was systematically stalked and murdered, but why would anyone do this to Tim? We'd have to be talking about a pretty clever murderer, and one who went to an awful lot of trouble to get a security guard in ill-health.

The other possibility is that the car fire is unconnected to his abduction, which evidently happened just 20 minutes after the fire department had left. Are we to believe that his car going up in flames happened coincidentally on the same night he would later be abducted? Doesn't seem very likely, and, again, why would anyone want to go to the trouble of abducting this guy? If all someone wanted was to kill him, why not kill him and be done with it?

The next possibility is that Tim killed himself that night. The family initially feared this, because he had recently purchased a gun. But that gun was found at his house, and so was not used to shoot himself or anyone. While I agree this makes a suicide that particular night less likely, I don't think it can be completely ruled out - what if Tim found a local bridge to jump off, for example? However, if he did kill himself, I'm a little troubled that no body was found, unless he did manage to find a bridge to jump from (and even then, bodies very often turn up). A person who is despondent and suffering from the emotional shock of losing his car and the valuable possessions he kept inside the car is unlikely, IMHO, to bother himself with killing himself in such a way as to deliberately make it hard to find his corpse.

I think Time did not kill himself, at least not right away. I think he walked off, probably dazed and confused after a huge financial blow following so shortly on the heels of the bad news about his health (he had MS). I don't know that he had any intentions at first, and I think it's possible he's still alive somewhere. This is admittedly unlikely; more probably, he passed away somewhere, unidentified, from exposure or hunger, etc., or perhaps did kill himself, only some time after that night.

wiseguy182 · 01-30-2008, 07:16 PM

I disagree, adbuction seems very likely to me here: 2 vending machines and a door were vandalized shortly before the incident. this may be like the Duane McCorkendale segment. As for why Curtis was acting calmly during the car fire incident, he was probably just glad he wasn't in the car at the time. Granted, he was a somewhat disappointed that he couldn't be a police officer any longer, but I think the segment said he was glad to be working in an enforcement capacity of some sort. Given Curtis's physical condition, and that he was working alone outside at night, that would have made him particularly vulnerable.

kadrmas15 · 01-30-2008, 09:25 PM

Yeah, I disagree with the abduction theory, of course it is possible, but in my opinion, not likely. Pishon's case is a sad one, a guy that was a Concord cop for over 10 years, losing his job on the police force a few years after being diagnosed with MS because his hands shook that he could no longer fire his gun accurately. He had problems with substance abuse it sounds like even before MS but that it totally got out of control after he was diagnosed with MS.

Pishon could walk but he was in pain, so he couldnt walk long distances, I just have a hard time believing he physically could have wandered off, his MS was in that much of an advanced state where I dont think he could have walked a tremendous distance. However what fuels the suicide theory is his depression, his substance abuse, his family even feared he had killed himself, but his body would have turned up had he done this.

Clearly, Pishon's car being set on fire and then him being eerily calm is odd. However, maybe Pishon was in shock, maybe he was the type when he was shocked he looked calm? I do not know. Maybe it is possible he set his own car on fire and did the vandalisms himself?

Either that or whoever did the vandalisms was sending Curtis a message by setting the car on fire. It does seem that Pishon knew or suspected who was doing these vandalisms. But it just seems odd that someone would not only set fire to someone else's car but possibly murder them all over the vandalism of a door and some vending machines. But then again, people have been killed over a lot less.

mozartpc27 · 01-30-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftentheSilence

according to reports, another co-worker reported seeing two unidentified cars "speeding" out of the plant around the same time. This eyewitness account supports the theory that Pishon was abducted. According to the Charley Project, Pishon had also fallen out of favor with his former police co-workers after it was discovered that he had had affairs with two of his co-workers' wives. Not to assume that they are the perpetrators, but it's just another possibility.

I don't remember hearing any of this. Was it part of the segment? The cars speeding away certainly does add another element to the mix.

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Originally Posted by SoftentheSilence

5.) Although I have no details, it's reported that Pishon also made claims to family members that he feared for his life and that he had previously been threatened by a fellow co-worker.

I don't know how much credence I put into that, at least when Iconsider it in a vacuum. First of all, it's hearsay - we don't really know what Curtis said, just what his family members say he said, after he mysteriously disappeared and they had begun their search for answers. Additionally, if he were contemplating suicide, it wouldn't surprise me if he said something like this to his family, in order to have a "cover" so that they would not believe he killed himself...

I think I still favor "walked off on his own," but now I have my doubts.

wiseguy182 · 01-30-2008, 09:38 PM

regarding the speeding cars, I remember hearing about that, if not the segment, than on a missing persons profile somewhere on the net.

kadrmas15 · 01-30-2008, 10:30 PM

Yes, the speeding cars, the vandalism, the affairs with two of his fellow officers wives when he was a policeman, all that was in the segment I believe, or maybe it was on one of the missing things on the net, but I know that is all public info. As to Curtis's family saying he had said he was in fear of his life, well it is hearsay, b ut I guess I have no reason not to believe them. Are you implying they were lying Mozart? It just seems you were reluctant to believe them or didnt find them credible or something.

birddog · 12-07-2008, 02:17 PM

Check out the Newburyport Daily News article at http://www.newburyportnews.com/archi...omment-4237070
This case could use the interest of this group to help solve it.

Thanks

cuba_libre · 12-07-2008, 03:15 PM

Thank you for bumping up this story! This was another case that just seemed so sad for not getting the adequate national coverage it deserved....

07-06-2004, 06:58 PM	#1
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	The disappearance of Curtis Pishon http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/h...news/25341.htm I came upon a recent article on Curtis Pishon, who was profiled on UM in 2001. For those unfamiliar with the case, he was the New Hampshire security guard who disappeared from his workplace in July of 2000. He was once a police officer, but had to give up that job because of multiple sclerosis. One of puzzling things about the case was that, on the night he vanished, he seemed nonchalant when his car was mysteriously burned. Not long before his disappearance, however, he had expressed some concern about his safety at the plant where he worked, and that he suspect there were illegal activities going on there. There is no update on the case, but the article above is worth reading anyway.

07-09-2004, 10:03 PM	#3
Mystery-Lover Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 28, 2004 Posts: 72	Curtis Pishon That case was on today 7/9/04 on Lifetime at 12:00p.m. I'm not sure if he ran away or was abducted and murdered. Apparently he was a security guard for something in New Hampshire. His car got caught on fire suspiciously. Either he set the car ablaze by an accident while he was smoking or arsonists set his car on fire. It is believed then that he just walked away because he was mentally disturbed by the fire and he might of had a stressful life or arsonists set his car on fire because he saw something that he wasn't supposed to. He may have been abducted by the arsonists and murdered. The case is still unsolved!
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07-12-2004, 05:24 PM	#5
SJP1313 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 31, 2003 Location: NH Posts: 85	Curtis Pishon I live in NH and happen to be from the same town that Curtis Pishons parents now live in, the same town Curtis was an officer in, And didnt live far from the town he disappeared from. When Curtis disappeared, there was VERY LITTLE if any, news coverage. For some reason there was never a big deal made about it. A few articles, small blurbs in the paper. I dont know, but to me, any missing person is a big deal. You would think that there would have been news coverage, fliers, something, anything. Especially since he had multiple sclerosis. But there wasnt. Even to this day, there is no mention of him. His parents have an unlisted phone number, which on one hand, I can surely understand, but on the other I dont know if I could have an unlisted number after my child disappeared. Id always have that hope that they were alive, and look up the number, you know? Im in no place to judge the decisions these people have made, these are just my opinions. Glad to see someone here is posting about him!!

01-30-2008, 03:38 PM	#8
mozartpc27 Vigilante Logician Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2006 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 924	So, Curtis Pishon's case hasn't generated much discussion. It was included on crystaldawn's most recent compilation (volume 13). I think it's almost certain he wandered off, and perhaps eventually killed himself or simply got picked up and is away somewhere, unaware of who he is. First, the abduction theory: I think this is really lacking evidence. Family members were intrigued that he left his cigarettes behind. I don't think this proves much; he was probably in a highly agitated state, perhaps actively suffering a nervous breakdown. I don't think there's much accounting for anything someone does in that scenario. The sequence of events, to me, rules out the abduction theory: FIRST, he finds his car ablaze, and attempts to put the fire out. NEXT, he calls the fire department, which arrives and puts the fire out, but too late. Then and only then, he's suddenly abducted? If the fire were set by the people who abducted him, it would obviously be done for 1 of 2 reasons (or possibly both): 1) to destroy any evidence that might have been left in the car by the perpetrators, and 2) to get Curtis' attention, to bring him to a particular spot that was previously staked out. Why then allow him to call the fire department, and allow them to arrive, BEFORE taking him? I suppose one could argue this was all part of some elaborate, master-plan to make it look like he suffered a nervous breakdown when actually he was systematically stalked and murdered, but why would anyone do this to Tim? We'd have to be talking about a pretty clever murderer, and one who went to an awful lot of trouble to get a security guard in ill-health. The other possibility is that the car fire is unconnected to his abduction, which evidently happened just 20 minutes after the fire department had left. Are we to believe that his car going up in flames happened coincidentally on the same night he would later be abducted? Doesn't seem very likely, and, again, why would anyone want to go to the trouble of abducting this guy? If all someone wanted was to kill him, why not kill him and be done with it? The next possibility is that Tim killed himself that night. The family initially feared this, because he had recently purchased a gun. But that gun was found at his house, and so was not used to shoot himself or anyone. While I agree this makes a suicide that particular night less likely, I don't think it can be completely ruled out - what if Tim found a local bridge to jump off, for example? However, if he did kill himself, I'm a little troubled that no body was found, unless he did manage to find a bridge to jump from (and even then, bodies very often turn up). A person who is despondent and suffering from the emotional shock of losing his car and the valuable possessions he kept inside the car is unlikely, IMHO, to bother himself with killing himself in such a way as to deliberately make it hard to find his corpse. I think Time did not kill himself, at least not right away. I think he walked off, probably dazed and confused after a huge financial blow following so shortly on the heels of the bad news about his health (he had MS). I don't know that he had any intentions at first, and I think it's possible he's still alive somewhere. This is admittedly unlikely; more probably, he passed away somewhere, unidentified, from exposure or hunger, etc., or perhaps did kill himself, only some time after that night.
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01-30-2008, 07:16 PM	#9
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I disagree, adbuction seems very likely to me here: 2 vending machines and a door were vandalized shortly before the incident. this may be like the Duane McCorkendale segment. As for why Curtis was acting calmly during the car fire incident, he was probably just glad he wasn't in the car at the time. Granted, he was a somewhat disappointed that he couldn't be a police officer any longer, but I think the segment said he was glad to be working in an enforcement capacity of some sort. Given Curtis's physical condition, and that he was working alone outside at night, that would have made him particularly vulnerable.
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07-06-2004, 07:04 PM	#2
crystaldawn Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 17, 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,261	Also of interest, according to the Lifetime website that story is going to be on on Friday in case anyone needs their memory refreshed.

07-12-2004, 09:46 PM	#7
SJP1313 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jul 31, 2003 Location: NH Posts: 85	Im in total agreement with you Kane. Im shocked to find out how many ppl in NH have disappeared with NO trace and NO media coverage. Im not sure if they dont cover it on purpose, so as not to deter the many tourist that flock here each year, or if its simply a case of "almost nobody caring" Whatever the reason, its a total disgrace. Recently there has been a lot of coverage of Maura Murray who disappeared after driving to Northern NH and getting into a car accident. She was a student at UMASS. With all the exposure this case is receiving, I wonder why is she the only one. Ofcourse not that she doesnt deserve it, but so do so many others- Maura Murray- Haverhill NH Lorne Boulet- Chichester NH Tina and Bethany Sinclair- Chesterfield NH Sara & Philip Ghering- Concord NH (Partially solved, bodies never recovered) Ted Lenda- Dunbarton NH Amie Riley-Manchester NH (Body recovered) still unsolved So many more, but like Curtis, not many articles, or publicity. My prayers go out to everyone who has lost someone. Thanks for writing back Kane.

01-30-2008, 09:25 PM	#10
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Yeah, I disagree with the abduction theory, of course it is possible, but in my opinion, not likely. Pishon's case is a sad one, a guy that was a Concord cop for over 10 years, losing his job on the police force a few years after being diagnosed with MS because his hands shook that he could no longer fire his gun accurately. He had problems with substance abuse it sounds like even before MS but that it totally got out of control after he was diagnosed with MS. Pishon could walk but he was in pain, so he couldnt walk long distances, I just have a hard time believing he physically could have wandered off, his MS was in that much of an advanced state where I dont think he could have walked a tremendous distance. However what fuels the suicide theory is his depression, his substance abuse, his family even feared he had killed himself, but his body would have turned up had he done this. Clearly, Pishon's car being set on fire and then him being eerily calm is odd. However, maybe Pishon was in shock, maybe he was the type when he was shocked he looked calm? I do not know. Maybe it is possible he set his own car on fire and did the vandalisms himself? Either that or whoever did the vandalisms was sending Curtis a message by setting the car on fire. It does seem that Pishon knew or suspected who was doing these vandalisms. But it just seems odd that someone would not only set fire to someone else's car but possibly murder them all over the vandalism of a door and some vending machines. But then again, people have been killed over a lot less.

01-30-2008, 09:38 PM	#12
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	regarding the speeding cars, I remember hearing about that, if not the segment, than on a missing persons profile somewhere on the net.

01-30-2008, 10:30 PM	#13
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Yes, the speeding cars, the vandalism, the affairs with two of his fellow officers wives when he was a policeman, all that was in the segment I believe, or maybe it was on one of the missing things on the net, but I know that is all public info. As to Curtis's family saying he had said he was in fear of his life, well it is hearsay, b ut I guess I have no reason not to believe them. Are you implying they were lying Mozart? It just seems you were reluctant to believe them or didnt find them credible or something.

12-07-2008, 02:17 PM	#14
birddog Member First Time Poster Join Date: Dec 07, 2008 Posts: 1	Check out the Newburyport Daily News article at http://www.newburyportnews.com/archi...omment-4237070 This case could use the interest of this group to help solve it. Thanks

12-07-2008, 03:15 PM	#15
cuba_libre Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 09, 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 156	sad Thank you for bumping up this story! This was another case that just seemed so sad for not getting the adequate national coverage it deserved....