Fox's Year-Round Season Struggling - Sitcoms Online Message Boards

tvfan0101 · 06-30-2004, 11:52 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

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The network finished fourth in the ratings last week, behind even ABC, which Fox routinely beat during the winter months. Fox came in third among viewers aged 18 to 49, the demographic it most cares about.

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None of Fox's five other new shows are doing well, including the one by usually reliable reality producer Mark Burnett. His look at Las Vegas in "Casino" was seen by fewer than 5 million people last week.

Perhaps most disappointing is "North Shore," a soap about young workers at a luxury hotel in Hawaii. Fox hoped it would catch on as "The O.C." did last summer, but it drew 4.4 million viewers last week.

Hrm. This doesn't really mean anything in regards to the long-term sucess of FOX's attempt at a year-round season. It does, however, play just into my expectations. Low ratings at first. Perhaps low ratings for a long time. Perhaps it will work out in the end. Perhaps it won't. We'll see.

Thoughts?

James"Thunder"Early · 06-30-2004, 01:51 PM

It is good idea to have a year round season, because it equals more episodes. the prob;em is adding new shows, instead of just airing new episodes of peoples favorite shows.

Pavan · 06-30-2004, 02:35 PM

I never liked the idea. The numbers prove it. Nothing new on FOX is doing well. They should wait until late August or early Sept to air new shows and air new episodes of returning shows now, although that isn't working for Bernie Mac.

Dean Winchester · 06-30-2004, 02:54 PM

people are talking about what a megahit The OC is on Fox, but if I recall correctly, wasn't it like #60 in the season average?

James"Thunder"Early · 06-30-2004, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
people are talking about what a megahit The OC is on Fox, but if I recall correctly, wasn't it like #60 in the season average?

The O.C was very low last season, but it is popular on the paticular night it airs.

sicvicc · 07-01-2004, 05:55 PM

Summer months are the dread of networks because viewership drops off. These numbers look worse then they actually are. The O.C has a loyal cult following and doesn't burn up the charts I think North Shore has a solid formula and it's evolving. In my opinion (for what it's worth )I think North Shore is the type of show that will pull in loyal viewership. Overall I like the new summer programming because I hate reruns

TJL · 07-01-2004, 07:27 PM

Oh No! Does this mean "Method Man And Red" is going to be cancelled?

I have no problems with a summer season. Just put something good on!

Sitcomwriter · 07-01-2004, 07:55 PM

I like Quintuplets but Method & Red is awful.

db108108 · 07-01-2004, 11:22 PM

Nothing new on Fox from this summer is going to make it to the fall. And this is interesting, because with the year round season concept, Fox has The Jury, Quintuplets, M&R and North Shore all airing into January! None are doing well, and I highly doubt Fox will risk the new season by airing them, even though Fox says it no longer abides by the new season concept.

Of all of those shows, the only showing any signs of life is "Quintuplets," which is building off its "70s Show" lead-in. The worst is "The Jury," which drew only 3 million viewers on Tuesday.

Mr. Television · 07-01-2004, 11:27 PM

FOX only has junk on. And I don't know how I can watch the old shows on FOX I watch like Bernie Mack and Malcolm In The Middle when FOX has them scheduled for more than one timeslot next season. If it wasn't for AI Fox would be a joke.

Moonlit_Suburb · 07-02-2004, 12:27 AM

The only Fox shows I watch are That '70s Show and Malcolm in the Middle...and I don't think that is going to change anytime soon.

robyrob · 07-02-2004, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by sicvicc
Summer months are the dread of networks because viewership drops off. These numbers look worse then they actually are.
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Overall I like the new summer programming because I hate reruns

maybe if they would put something besides reruns and boring crap on they'd get some viewers in the summer

dawsongirl · 07-02-2004, 02:57 AM

Why would they assume North Shore would take off? I mean, maybe it's just me, but I'm getting sick of watching hot rich people. Every show is about hot rich people. Annoying as hell.

Dean Winchester · 07-02-2004, 02:49 PM

it seems for years, Fox was at the cutting edge, shows like Married with Children, Simpsons, In Living Color, 90210, Cops, Ally McBeal, etc... were cutting edge tv, furthering tv genres like we never knew before. But now, it seems like as they've gotten more established, they're trying harder to stay cutting-edge, and it's getting more and more evident. Malcolm In The Middle started out good, but how much longer can it possibly have now that the kids are college-aged? Bernie Mac is good, but Fox will never find a cozy slot to position it in permanently. Arrested Development is also good, but I have a feeling it will get cancelled next season if ratings don't skyrocket.

People are saying "except for AI", when to me it's "especially AI", that show has ruined the music industry as well as television and I will refuse to watch it for as long as it airs.

The problem with tv is that right now, everyone is trying to be cutting-edge instead of just letting it happen, so we'll probably never see another period like early-90's Fox or late-90's WB.

db108108 · 07-02-2004, 10:10 PM

All of the networks are having a bad summer season so far. ABC is just about dead, the UPN is going down the tubes, and the only show that NBC has "Last Comic Standing" and, as always, "Law & Order."

None of NBC's new series are working, save the one mentioned above, and all of ABC's summer series have been DOA. In a stark fore-shadowing of the future, NBC's "Must See" Thursday line-up has yet to break 6 million viewers on average this summer. It's NBC's lowest rated night of the week, save Saturday.

The WB has Summerland, and Superstar USA was doing well, although that's already over. Summerland will probably be back during the regular season.

As for Fox, The Simple Life is doing backflips, and "Quintuplets" is building from its lead-in. In another stark contrast, the once potent Sunday night line-up has been struggling to break 4 million viewers on average of late. New episodes of "Oliver Beene" at 7pm have been in the 2-2.5 million viewers range.

And then there's CBS. It's airing almost no new programming, yet is still winning every week and is up over last summer. and that's without "Big brother" and "The Amazing Race" in the line-up, which are sure to win Tuesdays.

It's going to be a long summer, especially for Fox and ABC.

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Mr. Television 22 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,128	FOX only has junk on. And I don't know how I can watch the old shows on FOX I watch like Bernie Mack and Malcolm In The Middle when FOX has them scheduled for more than one timeslot next season. If it wasn't for AI Fox would be a joke.
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06-30-2004, 01:51 PM	#2
James"Thunder"Early Whoever's In New England Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 23, 2004 Location: The Apollo Posts: 7,087	It is good idea to have a year round season, because it equals more episodes. the prob;em is adding new shows, instead of just airing new episodes of peoples favorite shows.

06-30-2004, 02:54 PM	#4
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	people are talking about what a megahit The OC is on Fox, but if I recall correctly, wasn't it like #60 in the season average?

07-01-2004, 05:55 PM	#6
sicvicc Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Jun 14, 2004 Posts: 58	Summer months are the dread of networks because viewership drops off. These numbers look worse then they actually are. The O.C has a loyal cult following and doesn't burn up the charts I think North Shore has a solid formula and it's evolving. In my opinion (for what it's worth )I think North Shore is the type of show that will pull in loyal viewership. Overall I like the new summer programming because I hate reruns

07-01-2004, 07:55 PM	#8
Sitcomwriter Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Feb 27, 2001 Posts: 7,354	I like Quintuplets but Method & Red is awful.

07-01-2004, 11:22 PM	#9
db108108 Teacher (for now) Senior Member Join Date: Mar 20, 2003 Location: 2 hours north of Detroit, 2 hours south of Toronto Posts: 1,023	Nothing new on Fox from this summer is going to make it to the fall. And this is interesting, because with the year round season concept, Fox has The Jury, Quintuplets, M&R and North Shore all airing into January! None are doing well, and I highly doubt Fox will risk the new season by airing them, even though Fox says it no longer abides by the new season concept. Of all of those shows, the only showing any signs of life is "Quintuplets," which is building off its "70s Show" lead-in. The worst is "The Jury," which drew only 3 million viewers on Tuesday.

07-02-2004, 12:27 AM	#11
Moonlit_Suburb Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jan 20, 2004 Location: Location Location Posts: 644	The only Fox shows I watch are That '70s Show and Malcolm in the Middle...and I don't think that is going to change anytime soon.

07-02-2004, 02:57 AM	#13
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,128	Why would they assume North Shore would take off? I mean, maybe it's just me, but I'm getting sick of watching hot rich people. Every show is about hot rich people. Annoying as hell.

07-02-2004, 02:49 PM	#14
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	it seems for years, Fox was at the cutting edge, shows like Married with Children, Simpsons, In Living Color, 90210, Cops, Ally McBeal, etc... were cutting edge tv, furthering tv genres like we never knew before. But now, it seems like as they've gotten more established, they're trying harder to stay cutting-edge, and it's getting more and more evident. Malcolm In The Middle started out good, but how much longer can it possibly have now that the kids are college-aged? Bernie Mac is good, but Fox will never find a cozy slot to position it in permanently. Arrested Development is also good, but I have a feeling it will get cancelled next season if ratings don't skyrocket. People are saying "except for AI", when to me it's "especially AI", that show has ruined the music industry as well as television and I will refuse to watch it for as long as it airs. The problem with tv is that right now, everyone is trying to be cutting-edge instead of just letting it happen, so we'll probably never see another period like early-90's Fox or late-90's WB.

07-02-2004, 10:10 PM	#15
db108108 Teacher (for now) Senior Member Join Date: Mar 20, 2003 Location: 2 hours north of Detroit, 2 hours south of Toronto Posts: 1,023	All of the networks are having a bad summer season so far. ABC is just about dead, the UPN is going down the tubes, and the only show that NBC has "Last Comic Standing" and, as always, "Law & Order." None of NBC's new series are working, save the one mentioned above, and all of ABC's summer series have been DOA. In a stark fore-shadowing of the future, NBC's "Must See" Thursday line-up has yet to break 6 million viewers on average this summer. It's NBC's lowest rated night of the week, save Saturday. The WB has Summerland, and Superstar USA was doing well, although that's already over. Summerland will probably be back during the regular season. As for Fox, The Simple Life is doing backflips, and "Quintuplets" is building from its lead-in. In another stark contrast, the once potent Sunday night line-up has been struggling to break 4 million viewers on average of late. New episodes of "Oliver Beene" at 7pm have been in the 2-2.5 million viewers range. And then there's CBS. It's airing almost no new programming, yet is still winning every week and is up over last summer. and that's without "Big brother" and "The Amazing Race" in the line-up, which are sure to win Tuesdays. It's going to be a long summer, especially for Fox and ABC.