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jamesanthony · 04-17-2004, 02:04 PM

They had the guts to tape a full season live and the critics liked this show so why wasn't it ever nominated for an emmy? The performers were all trained actors, not standup comics and it was well written and directed. Charles Dutton has been winning awards for other things since. Is it because this was on FOX or is it racism?

I noticed that NO black actors from any sitcom were nominated for emmies at all during the 90s. Does that mean that the many actors of color in sitcoms during the decade were substandard? There were an awful lot of them to pick from in shows like Steve Harvey, Cosby, Different World, Gregory Hines Show and many players in shows with mixed casts.

Knowing their tastes I wouldn't expect them to nominate something like Family Matters or Martin, but why this show (ROC) went unrecognized is a mystery to me.

isiahthomas · 04-19-2004, 11:40 AM

F**k the emmy's & oscar's. What we as blacks have to understand is that this is a white man's world & we'll never get recognition for anything cause blacks are realer than whites. The reason why Roc was never nominated for anything cause the show dealt with real life from a black perspective. All white people wanna do is laugh all the damn time. That's why there are so many white comedy shows on & u rarely see white drama shows. Everything in this world isn't funny. U got so many things going on in the black communities across america that the president overlooks like poverty, blacks gettin laid off from their jobs, homelessness, black on black crime. Roc dealt with those type of issues & that's what i liked so much about the show. Charles Dutton is a excellent actor & he hardly gets the recognition he deserves. Rocky Carroll who played Joey on the show is also a good actor. U remember Clifton Powell & Jamie Foxx on Roc? Clifton Powell is also another good black actor who doesn't get any recognition but that's because he always plays in low budget black movies about drugs, murder, sex. I saw him in DMX's new movie Never Die Alone as a drug kingpin & those are the type of roles he always plays. I saw him play Morris Chestnut's father in The Brothers movie which was the first time he played a different character. Another real black drama tv show i liked that came on Fox in the early 90's was South Central with Larenz Tate, Clifton Powell, Lamont Bentley, Maia Campbell, Jennifer Lopez. South Central was a excellent show that was cancelled after one season i believe.

jamesanthony · 04-19-2004, 04:17 PM

True Isiah. Your post hit me hard. Everything is this world isn't funny. I remember South Central a little. Jennifer Lopez was in that show. I saw an episode of that show where Larenz Tate got a gun because he was tired of being taken as a punk in the neighborhood. I think on the show the mother had birthed 4 kids but one was murdered by random violence.

Roc and South Central and Good Times too all dealt with serious issues within a comedy context. I used to like the White Shadow too. That show had strong drama, but a lot of comedy in it.

I don't see any black drama on TV that I would want to watch. I'm not into Soul Food it's too soap operaish for me, but it and the Wire seem to be the only black dramas on now and they're both on cable.

I saw a 40 year old episode of a drama called the Nurses with Ruby Dee and it was powerful. She was a nurse at a hospital in downtown Manhattan and she was ashamed of her roots. Her cousin from Harlem got a job in the hospital as an orderly and she was embarassed by him because he wasn't as sophisticated as she was. When a patient almost died from a liver ailment because he drank liquor while he was ill, she automatically thought that the cousin snuck the booze into the hospital, but in reality she was the one who brought it in unknowingly in a parcel. She had to go back and face the cousin and his mother who raised her and put her through school. Her mother chewed her out and the cousin had to swallow his pride and go back to work at the hospital because he needed the job. He had to shuffle and play like a good negro. It was made in 1964, but it was powerful. Great acting. Stuff like that in series is what I like to get into.

As for Roc, FOX used the black audience to build itself up and then moved on once they got a foothold in the ratings. WB did the exact same thing and UPN may be headed that way in the future. All the cultural police diss the UPN shows and call their comedies trash, but those shows all reflect the black experience in one way or another.

isiahthomas · 04-19-2004, 04:59 PM

The woman who played Larenz Tate's mom on South Central was in The Temptations movie as Otis Williams mom. She also was in Blood Work movie with Clint Eastwood. The girl who was Larenz's sister on South Central used to play on Parent Hood tv show as Michael's girlfriend who was in a music group with him. Jennifer Lopez worked as a cashier in a african grocery store with Clifton Powell who owned the store on South Central. A lot of people don't remember her from that show. I almost forgot she was on that show.

04-17-2004, 02:04 PM	#1
jamesanthony Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 2,180	Why no Emmy nominations for this show? They had the guts to tape a full season live and the critics liked this show so why wasn't it ever nominated for an emmy? The performers were all trained actors, not standup comics and it was well written and directed. Charles Dutton has been winning awards for other things since. Is it because this was on FOX or is it racism? I noticed that NO black actors from any sitcom were nominated for emmies at all during the 90s. Does that mean that the many actors of color in sitcoms during the decade were substandard? There were an awful lot of them to pick from in shows like Steve Harvey, Cosby, Different World, Gregory Hines Show and many players in shows with mixed casts. Knowing their tastes I wouldn't expect them to nominate something like Family Matters or Martin, but why this show (ROC) went unrecognized is a mystery to me.

04-19-2004, 11:40 AM	#2
isiahthomas Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Aug 20, 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 10,701	F**k the emmy's & oscar's. What we as blacks have to understand is that this is a white man's world & we'll never get recognition for anything cause blacks are realer than whites. The reason why Roc was never nominated for anything cause the show dealt with real life from a black perspective. All white people wanna do is laugh all the damn time. That's why there are so many white comedy shows on & u rarely see white drama shows. Everything in this world isn't funny. U got so many things going on in the black communities across america that the president overlooks like poverty, blacks gettin laid off from their jobs, homelessness, black on black crime. Roc dealt with those type of issues & that's what i liked so much about the show. Charles Dutton is a excellent actor & he hardly gets the recognition he deserves. Rocky Carroll who played Joey on the show is also a good actor. U remember Clifton Powell & Jamie Foxx on Roc? Clifton Powell is also another good black actor who doesn't get any recognition but that's because he always plays in low budget black movies about drugs, murder, sex. I saw him in DMX's new movie Never Die Alone as a drug kingpin & those are the type of roles he always plays. I saw him play Morris Chestnut's father in The Brothers movie which was the first time he played a different character. Another real black drama tv show i liked that came on Fox in the early 90's was South Central with Larenz Tate, Clifton Powell, Lamont Bentley, Maia Campbell, Jennifer Lopez. South Central was a excellent show that was cancelled after one season i believe.

04-19-2004, 04:17 PM	#3
jamesanthony Member Senior Member Join Date: Mar 30, 2004 Posts: 2,180	True Isiah. Your post hit me hard. Everything is this world isn't funny. I remember South Central a little. Jennifer Lopez was in that show. I saw an episode of that show where Larenz Tate got a gun because he was tired of being taken as a punk in the neighborhood. I think on the show the mother had birthed 4 kids but one was murdered by random violence. Roc and South Central and Good Times too all dealt with serious issues within a comedy context. I used to like the White Shadow too. That show had strong drama, but a lot of comedy in it. I don't see any black drama on TV that I would want to watch. I'm not into Soul Food it's too soap operaish for me, but it and the Wire seem to be the only black dramas on now and they're both on cable. I saw a 40 year old episode of a drama called the Nurses with Ruby Dee and it was powerful. She was a nurse at a hospital in downtown Manhattan and she was ashamed of her roots. Her cousin from Harlem got a job in the hospital as an orderly and she was embarassed by him because he wasn't as sophisticated as she was. When a patient almost died from a liver ailment because he drank liquor while he was ill, she automatically thought that the cousin snuck the booze into the hospital, but in reality she was the one who brought it in unknowingly in a parcel. She had to go back and face the cousin and his mother who raised her and put her through school. Her mother chewed her out and the cousin had to swallow his pride and go back to work at the hospital because he needed the job. He had to shuffle and play like a good negro. It was made in 1964, but it was powerful. Great acting. Stuff like that in series is what I like to get into. As for Roc, FOX used the black audience to build itself up and then moved on once they got a foothold in the ratings. WB did the exact same thing and UPN may be headed that way in the future. All the cultural police diss the UPN shows and call their comedies trash, but those shows all reflect the black experience in one way or another.

04-19-2004, 04:59 PM	#4
isiahthomas Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Aug 20, 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 10,701	The woman who played Larenz Tate's mom on South Central was in The Temptations movie as Otis Williams mom. She also was in Blood Work movie with Clint Eastwood. The girl who was Larenz's sister on South Central used to play on Parent Hood tv show as Michael's girlfriend who was in a music group with him. Jennifer Lopez worked as a cashier in a african grocery store with Clifton Powell who owned the store on South Central. A lot of people don't remember her from that show. I almost forgot she was on that show.