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dynoguy88 · 04-12-2004, 01:58 PM

They profiled this case today. 14 years have passed and still no suspect has been caught. The fact that Lisa's body was found on Easter Sunday 1992 seemed to hit a little close to home with yesterday being Easter.

The clips we see of Agawam, Massachusetts from the "UM" segment make it look like a cute little town where everyone knows each other. This case is a heartbreaking reminder that there are sick people everywhere, and they aren't just limited to huge cities. Just one of those cases where a person was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I hope that her killer/killers will be caught, but after 14 years, it doesn't look likely. But you never know. Here are some links for anyone interested.

http://www.masslive.com/news/pstories/ag419liv.html

http://www.masslive.com/metrowest/re...2303103251.xml

Kane · 04-12-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by dynoguy88

I hope that her killer/killers will be caught, but after 14 years, it doesn't look likely.

Gee, I really like your complete optimism, Dynoguy.

As you might have noticed, I'm was just being sarcastic.

Anyway, pardon me for correcting you, but the 1992 murder of Lisa Ziegert occured 12 years ago (not 14 years). Just because a case has gone unsolved for more than a decade, DOES NOT mean that it couldn't be solved someday. Even after 12 years, it's still much too soon to deem it unsolvable or a lost cause. (Keep in mind that it took 21 years to solve the Green River killings.)

It's bad luck to say that an unsolved murder isn't likely to get solved. Some people who have said things of that nature have suffered misfortunes. One guy got murdered himself, another man went in debt, and another lapsed into a coma.

I'm just joking, of course. But my point is to never give up on the possibility that an unsolved case (not matter how tough they are to crack) could one day be solved.

gaf · 04-13-2004, 11:54 AM

We have proof of that on this board with the Lisa Marie Kimmell case. Her murder went unsolved longer than Lisa Ziegert's, and now Kimmell's killer sits (hopefully not for long) on death row.

That said, it is very frustrating to see crimes go unsolved for years.

giz · 04-26-2004, 06:53 PM

Lisa ziegert was a great teacher and a great friend...What happened to her was sick.... I hope the find who killed her and they punish them real bad..... I keep her and her family in my heart and I pray everynight they will find her killer.... God bless the ziegert family and may god be with you.....I had miss ziegert as a teacher she was the most loving and caring person to get along with... I know in my heart they will find who killed her someday.....Until that day comes she will be missed.....

WE MISS YOU MISS ZIEGERT!!!

UMfan77 · 05-01-2004, 11:22 AM

Lisa Ziegert was your teacher? You must really miss her from what you said about her and from what everyone said about her on the segment from Unsolved Mysteries. Isn't there a plaque that the students of your school got for her and it's under a tree? I also truly hope that her murder is solved, whoever did this shouldn't get away with it.

Kane · 05-15-2004, 10:49 PM

The Lisa Ziegert case was shown on Boston's WFXT channel 25 10 o'clock news just moments ago. It was part of the program's weekly "New England's Unsolved" segment. There's hardly any new information to report, other than that the detectives have not given up on the case. The cops believe that Ziegert's killer may have been someone local. They base this theory on the fact that her body was found in an isolated wooded area that is not easily visible to the public. Nevertheless, the cops are looking at other possible theories. But they are convinced that her killer watched her for a time before kidnapping her from the store where she worked in the evening.

dynoguy88 · 05-16-2004, 09:32 AM

Didn't you say you are from Massachusetts, Kane? If so, how close were you to Agawam? Have you ever been there? Do you remember the case being reported on the news at the time it happened?

Kane · 05-16-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by dynoguy88
Didn't you say you are from Massachusetts, Kane? If so, how close were you to Agawam? Have you ever been there? Do you remember the case being reported on the news at the time it happened?

Yes, I live in Massacusetts, near the Boston area. Agawam is in the western part of the state, not too far from the Connecticut border. So Agawam is about a two-hour drive from where I live. Since I have traveled to the western vicinity of Massachusetts before, it is possible that I have traveled through Agawam, but I am not absolutely certain. (However, I don't rule out the possibility that I may been to Agawam when I was too young to remember.)

To be honest, I don't recall having heard about the Lisa Ziegert murder prior to seeing it profiled on Unsolved Mysteries.

Steve W. · 02-16-2011, 01:39 PM

From what I've read, it seems like an ex-boyfriend (whose name has never been revealed), who was the son of an Agawam, Massachusetts police officer, that dated her not-too-long before she was murdered or a middle-aged man named Robert Burno, who is also the man implicated in the Molly Bish case, are the two main suspects in Lisa Ziegert's rape/murder.

Thiussat · 02-16-2011, 11:31 PM

This is a very unsettling case. The good news is that there was a witness who saw the vehicle: She said it was either a Blazer or a Bronco (definitely an SUV at any rate). I wonder if the suspects in this case can be tied to such a vehicle during that time period? I'm usually skeptical of eye-witnesses (especially at night), but considering she saw this vehicle pull into a vacant off-road trail (the same location Lisa's body was later found) at the same time Lisa was being abducted lends credence to her testimony.

In a way this reminds me of the Angela Hammond case, as the witness said she could see a woman's head swaying around in the back of the SUV as if she was being held down. The odd thing about it was she said there was someone in the back with her, meaning there were probably two assailants.

dynoguy88 · 02-17-2011, 12:52 AM

This one took a little time to find but I was able to locate the card shop that Lisa was abducted from on Google Street View. Articles online said the shop was on Walnut Street Extension in Agawam. This street isn't very big so I went up and down the block searching for a buidling that could have been a gift shop but had trouble. Another forum online was talking about this case and a local resident chimed in saying the card shop is the little building next door to the bowling alley. It has 2 businesses in one building, it kinda stands alone.

I went back and easily found the bowling alley. When I looked next door and compared it with the building featured in the UM segment, it matched up.

When Lisa worked there, it was called Brittany's Card & Gift Shoppe. I'm not sure what it is now. I orginally thought it was vacant now but there are cars in the parking lot so it must be used for something.

As the resident mentioned, it is one building that has two businesses. The card shop was on the right side...

These final two pictures show what the block looks like looking in both directions on Walnut Street...

What's amazing is that no matter where you look, there are businesses everywhere in every direction from the card shop. Lisa was abducted on a Wednesday night some time between 8:20 and 9:10 p.m. It wasn't that late. In fact, some people say it was still light out when she was taken. Stores were still open. Nobody witnessed anything. Not even the sandwich shop right across the street which had a perfect view of the card shop.

DaveZee · 04-15-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

The residents have their theories as to who did this. Apparently Lisa was dating the son of a Agawam Police officer. She broke up with him very shortly before her death. And it is generally believed that the police covered it up. Sounds an awful lot like the Tracy Kirkpatrick situation, doesn't it? It's sickening to think about if it's true.

No, she had not broken up with her boyfriend at the time, and no, her boyfriend was not the son of the former chief of police and no, the police did not cover it up. I appreciate the fact that this is still in people's thoughts, but please don't let political agendas and urban legends effect your opinion of the people who were close to Lisa at the time of her death.

We are all still hopeful that the killer will be caught, but at this point, it will most likely be from a DNA database hit or a material witness finally coming forward.

Dave Ziegert

dynoguy88 · 04-15-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveZee

No, she had not broken up with her boyfriend at the time, and no, her boyfriend was not the son of the former chief of police and no, the police did not cover it up. I appreciate the fact that this is still in people's thoughts, but please don't let political agendas and urban legends effect your opinion of the people who were close to Lisa at the time of her death.

We are all still hopeful that the killer will be caught, but at this point, it will most likely be from a DNA database hit or a material witness finally coming forward.

Dave Ziegert

Thanks for the correction. I read those theories from a message board somewhere else online between some Agawam residents who were discussing the case. I posted it here mainly because I was having trouble finding any other updates or articles on the case online. I'll make sure to delete that part of the post.

My heart and prayers go out to you and your family, Dave. Please drop by here whenever you'd like.

DaveZee · 04-15-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dynoguy88

Thanks for the correction. I read those theories from a message board somewhere else online between some Agawam residents who were discussing the case. I posted it here mainly because I was having trouble finding any other updates or articles on the case online.

My heart and prayers go out to you and your family, Dave. Please drop by here whenever you'd like.

Yeah, we've been trying to squash those theories for years, but they persist. Some day, I hope to post here that the killer has been found and brought to justice. I appreciate the people who still talk about the case and keep it somewhat in people's minds.

Steve W. · 04-15-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveZee

Yeah, we've been trying to squash those theories for years, but they persist. Some day, I hope to post here that the killer has been found and brought to justice. I appreciate the people who still talk about the case and keep it somewhat in people's minds.

Did she have a boyfriend at the time that this happened? Was he interviewed by authorities? Do you know if Robert Burno was ever investigated or interviewed by them?

I'm sorry for your loss.

04-12-2004, 01:58 PM	#1
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,672	Lisa Ziegert murder They profiled this case today. 14 years have passed and still no suspect has been caught. The fact that Lisa's body was found on Easter Sunday 1992 seemed to hit a little close to home with yesterday being Easter. The clips we see of Agawam, Massachusetts from the "UM" segment make it look like a cute little town where everyone knows each other. This case is a heartbreaking reminder that there are sick people everywhere, and they aren't just limited to huge cities. Just one of those cases where a person was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I hope that her killer/killers will be caught, but after 14 years, it doesn't look likely. But you never know. Here are some links for anyone interested. http://www.masslive.com/news/pstories/ag419liv.html http://www.masslive.com/metrowest/re...2303103251.xml

04-26-2004, 06:53 PM	#4
giz Member First Time Poster Join Date: Apr 26, 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 1	Re: Re: Lisa Ziegert murder Lisa ziegert was a great teacher and a great friend...What happened to her was sick.... I hope the find who killed her and they punish them real bad..... I keep her and her family in my heart and I pray everynight they will find her killer.... God bless the ziegert family and may god be with you.....I had miss ziegert as a teacher she was the most loving and caring person to get along with... I know in my heart they will find who killed her someday.....Until that day comes she will be missed..... WE MISS YOU MISS ZIEGERT!!!
	Last edited by giz; 04-26-2004 at 07:12 PM.

05-16-2004, 09:32 AM	#7
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,672	reply Didn't you say you are from Massachusetts, Kane? If so, how close were you to Agawam? Have you ever been there? Do you remember the case being reported on the news at the time it happened?

02-17-2011, 12:52 AM	#11
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,672	This one took a little time to find but I was able to locate the card shop that Lisa was abducted from on Google Street View. Articles online said the shop was on Walnut Street Extension in Agawam. This street isn't very big so I went up and down the block searching for a buidling that could have been a gift shop but had trouble. Another forum online was talking about this case and a local resident chimed in saying the card shop is the little building next door to the bowling alley. It has 2 businesses in one building, it kinda stands alone. I went back and easily found the bowling alley. When I looked next door and compared it with the building featured in the UM segment, it matched up. When Lisa worked there, it was called Brittany's Card & Gift Shoppe. I'm not sure what it is now. I orginally thought it was vacant now but there are cars in the parking lot so it must be used for something. As the resident mentioned, it is one building that has two businesses. The card shop was on the right side... These final two pictures show what the block looks like looking in both directions on Walnut Street... What's amazing is that no matter where you look, there are businesses everywhere in every direction from the card shop. Lisa was abducted on a Wednesday night some time between 8:20 and 9:10 p.m. It wasn't that late. In fact, some people say it was still light out when she was taken. Stores were still open. Nobody witnessed anything. Not even the sandwich shop right across the street which had a perfect view of the card shop.
	Last edited by dynoguy88; 04-15-2011 at 11:41 AM.

04-13-2004, 11:54 AM	#3
gaf Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 02, 2003 Location: Kansas Posts: 94	We have proof of that on this board with the Lisa Marie Kimmell case. Her murder went unsolved longer than Lisa Ziegert's, and now Kimmell's killer sits (hopefully not for long) on death row. That said, it is very frustrating to see crimes go unsolved for years.

05-01-2004, 11:22 AM	#5
UMfan77 Member Senior Member Join Date: Nov 28, 2003 Posts: 1,064	Lisa Ziegert was your teacher? You must really miss her from what you said about her and from what everyone said about her on the segment from Unsolved Mysteries. Isn't there a plaque that the students of your school got for her and it's under a tree? I also truly hope that her murder is solved, whoever did this shouldn't get away with it.

05-15-2004, 10:49 PM	#6
Kane Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 07, 2001 Location: MA, United States Posts: 3,367	The Lisa Ziegert case was shown on Boston's WFXT channel 25 10 o'clock news just moments ago. It was part of the program's weekly "New England's Unsolved" segment. There's hardly any new information to report, other than that the detectives have not given up on the case. The cops believe that Ziegert's killer may have been someone local. They base this theory on the fact that her body was found in an isolated wooded area that is not easily visible to the public. Nevertheless, the cops are looking at other possible theories. But they are convinced that her killer watched her for a time before kidnapping her from the store where she worked in the evening.

02-16-2011, 01:39 PM	#9
Steve W. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 870	From what I've read, it seems like an ex-boyfriend (whose name has never been revealed), who was the son of an Agawam, Massachusetts police officer, that dated her not-too-long before she was murdered or a middle-aged man named Robert Burno, who is also the man implicated in the Molly Bish case, are the two main suspects in Lisa Ziegert's rape/murder.

02-16-2011, 11:31 PM	#10
Thiussat Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 601	This is a very unsettling case. The good news is that there was a witness who saw the vehicle: She said it was either a Blazer or a Bronco (definitely an SUV at any rate). I wonder if the suspects in this case can be tied to such a vehicle during that time period? I'm usually skeptical of eye-witnesses (especially at night), but considering she saw this vehicle pull into a vacant off-road trail (the same location Lisa's body was later found) at the same time Lisa was being abducted lends credence to her testimony. In a way this reminds me of the Angela Hammond case, as the witness said she could see a woman's head swaying around in the back of the SUV as if she was being held down. The odd thing about it was she said there was someone in the back with her, meaning there were probably two assailants.