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Screenwriter · 03-21-2004, 11:57 AM

I'm just wondering if you could ever tell in certain episodes the pain in Lucy's face that she was suffering from her marriage. It's more noticable in The Lucy Desi Comedy Hour

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 03:32 PM

Desi was too; it was his marriage also and he also felt pain! I could tell it more on the last ep with Kovacks and Edie. They try to smile but it seems too painful and they barely look/ speak at each other

Edie said that when she sang 'That's All' there wasn't a dry eye in the house

Screenwriter · 03-21-2004, 04:05 PM

So we can assume that their marriage was the perfect marriage gone bad? It was more Lucy's marriage than it was Desi's because she put more effort into it. And she dealt with his ****.

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 04:10 PM

He also dealt with her 'issues'. Lucy was no saint either. It takes two to break a marriage; Lucy wasnt a victim, she knew all along that Desi was never going to change and stayed with him as well as he knew her faults and dealt with them

Screenwriter · 03-21-2004, 05:36 PM

What were her issues?

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 05:41 PM

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What were her issues?

have you read BOTH books and read BETWEEN the lines and watched the documentaries 'Finding Lucy' and Home Movie; they are all there

Screenwriter · 03-21-2004, 05:43 PM

I've seen the recent tv movie Lucy.

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 05:48 PM

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I've seen the recent tv movie Lucy.

That's a start!; did you learned something from it? Get her book and his book too. Watch 'Finding Lucy' and 'Home Movies"..homework, homework!

dawsongirl · 03-21-2004, 09:39 PM

She was a workaholic and a semi-control freak. Plus she only had a vague idea how to be a parent.

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 09:42 PM

She also liked to play 'games'; not only backgammon or Scrabble was a favorite

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 09:53 PM

Just to put it in an easy way...At least Desi's faults and weaknesses were public and everyone knew how he was unlike Lucy; she had a lot of weakness but kept them inside and was an unhappy person (to an extent)

And like dawsongirl said; even though our children aren't born with an instruction book under their arm Lucy's idea of motherhood was very vague, it seemed like it wasnt within herself (at least when the kids were little).

Screenwriter · 03-21-2004, 10:16 PM

But doesn't adultery rule out both problems from his side and her side? I THINK SO.

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 10:24 PM

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But doesn't adultery rule out both problems from his side and her side? I THINK SO.

She knew he was that way from the beggining and put up with it; it seems like to her it wasn't

Kazza · 03-21-2004, 10:25 PM

And don't tell me that Lucy was NEVER an adulterer herself

Ricardos4ever · 03-22-2004, 08:48 AM

Many books implied that there was a time during the early 50s when he was settling down for a while, realizing that he now had a family and that it was time to stop some of that catting around. But the pressure from the business built up, and sex and alchohol became his release. Unfortunately, when he went to Lucy to ask her if they could retire early when he felt that their marriage was starting to slip away, Lucy said no. And so, more sex, more alcohol was the result. I wouldn't say that his cheating cancels everything else out. It is important to understand WHY the cheating occured in the first place. Yes, it had to do a lot with how he was raised. But in those last few years when the marriage was breaking up, there were other factors too. It was once said that Lucy's first love was her work. That was a huge factor in all of this. They were BOTH to blame.

03-21-2004, 11:57 AM	#1
Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	The Arnazs's Marriage Trouble I'm just wondering if you could ever tell in certain episodes the pain in Lucy's face that she was suffering from her marriage. It's more noticable in The Lucy Desi Comedy Hour
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03-22-2004, 08:48 AM	#15
Ricardos4ever Henna-rinsess Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 28, 2002 Location: Somewhere in the middle of the world's longest Conga line Posts: 473	Many books implied that there was a time during the early 50s when he was settling down for a while, realizing that he now had a family and that it was time to stop some of that catting around. But the pressure from the business built up, and sex and alchohol became his release. Unfortunately, when he went to Lucy to ask her if they could retire early when he felt that their marriage was starting to slip away, Lucy said no. And so, more sex, more alcohol was the result. I wouldn't say that his cheating cancels everything else out. It is important to understand WHY the cheating occured in the first place. Yes, it had to do a lot with how he was raised. But in those last few years when the marriage was breaking up, there were other factors too. It was once said that Lucy's first love was her work. That was a huge factor in all of this. They were BOTH to blame.
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03-21-2004, 03:32 PM	#2
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	Desi was too; it was his marriage also and he also felt pain! I could tell it more on the last ep with Kovacks and Edie. They try to smile but it seems too painful and they barely look/ speak at each other Edie said that when she sang 'That's All' there wasn't a dry eye in the house

03-21-2004, 04:05 PM	#3
Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	So we can assume that their marriage was the perfect marriage gone bad? It was more Lucy's marriage than it was Desi's because she put more effort into it. And she dealt with his ****.

03-21-2004, 04:10 PM	#4
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	He also dealt with her 'issues'. Lucy was no saint either. It takes two to break a marriage; Lucy wasnt a victim, she knew all along that Desi was never going to change and stayed with him as well as he knew her faults and dealt with them

03-21-2004, 05:36 PM	#5
Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	What were her issues?

03-21-2004, 05:43 PM	#7
Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	I've seen the recent tv movie Lucy.

03-21-2004, 09:39 PM	#9
dawsongirl Member Forum Icon Join Date: Jan 04, 2001 Posts: 53,134	She was a workaholic and a semi-control freak. Plus she only had a vague idea how to be a parent.

03-21-2004, 09:42 PM	#10
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	She also liked to play 'games'; not only backgammon or Scrabble was a favorite

03-21-2004, 09:53 PM	#11
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	Just to put it in an easy way...At least Desi's faults and weaknesses were public and everyone knew how he was unlike Lucy; she had a lot of weakness but kept them inside and was an unhappy person (to an extent) And like dawsongirl said; even though our children aren't born with an instruction book under their arm Lucy's idea of motherhood was very vague, it seemed like it wasnt within herself (at least when the kids were little).

03-21-2004, 10:16 PM	#12
Screenwriter Member Forum Regular Join Date: Jul 18, 2002 Posts: 760	But doesn't adultery rule out both problems from his side and her side? I THINK SO.

03-21-2004, 10:25 PM	#14
Kazza Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 17, 2003 Posts: 3,244	And don't tell me that Lucy was NEVER an adulterer herself