Cindy James - Suicide or Murder?

[alistaircranium]

Originally Posted by Thiussat

The guy who wrote that book is a skeptic and believes James did it all to herself. I haven't read the book, but he appeared in the UM segment and on other shows discussing his skepticism.

Oh jeez. Thanks for warning me!

[alfiechat]

I think i might have a copy of that as well. got it on amazon for less than a buck used, i think.

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by Thiussat

The guy who wrote that book is a skeptic and believes James did it all to herself. I haven't read the book, but he appeared in the UM segment and on other shows discussing his skepticism.

Despite this, he writes a fair and balanced book, writing out all the scenarios and the facts that we know. He doesn't take a side. So I still consider it a good read. By the time the media got involved and he was being interviewed, he had to give his opinion. When he was interviewed on W5, he said, "I now believe it was a suicide," which makes it sound like at one time, he felt differently, possibly at the time he wrote the book. But even if he felt she was murdered when he wrote it, he doesn't take a side. That's the bottom line.

Now the other book by Ian Mulgrew is obvious from beginning to end that he thinks it was suicide. And it's ironic that he titled the book, 'Who killed Cindy James?' when it's clear who he thinks it was. He even dedicates a whole chapter to going over every traumatic event in Cindy's life that might have triggered a mental illness that started her demise. It's one sided all the way through.

[Charlie99909]

Originally Posted by alistaircranium

Is the book back in print or did you get used copies? I'm looking in to getting it!

Found a decent used copy on Amazon. There's a few on there now.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by justins5256

Interesting. However, I know you think the Wackers were victims. Can I ask what the difference is for you?

I'll just say I have similar views on both cases, and I guess for me the difference is the fact that Cindy James had a documented history of mental instability, and there is no such evidence with the Wackers. Also, Cindy James acknowledged that she knew who was behind it, yet she didn't disclose who this person was. I always found that highly suspect. On the other hand, the Wackers didn't seem to know who was targeting them or why.

Wow I know this is an older post, but I missed it a year ago.

I'm listening to RobinW's podcast about the Cindy James case right now. For me, the difference is that the Wackers had more than one eyewitness in this case. Granted it was their daughter who heard the knocking during the stakeout, but at least there is some evidence of the harassment campaign with the Wackers. And the Wackers got the police involved and were cooperative with giving information. Cindy's own PI said she wasn't being forthright with information which led the cops to become skeptical. I see similarities in the cases, but ultimately, Cindy James was committed to a mental hospital, and there is no evidence of mental illness with the Wackers, so it's easier, IMO to believe Cindy James was doing this to herself as opposed to the Wackers.

[alistaircranium]

She was murdered.

[bugnpinky]

I have one of the books finally and it's quite obvious that Cindy was very severely mentally ill. however i am starting to think it's possibly a bizarre twist of fate that she ended up dying the way she did. I do feel that she did incidents herself or at least instigated them...but the death itself I believe was done by someone else and might have been just an eerie coincidence that gets overlooked in the "did she didn't she" theories

[yourhomiebrian]

Another interesting case. I listened to Robin W podcast. I agree with Robin W. It was likely a mixture of both. Cindy probably did the fire. I would say in the end most likely murdered. The body would have been noticed sooner if suicide. The way thebody was dumped indicated most likely murdered. Somebody had to have dumped the body in that location.

[JannTosh]

I am confused how anyone could think she was actually being harassed


there is no way someone could continue harassing someone like that without a single witness or never leaving behind a fingerprint or any sort of evidence. The harasser would have to be some kind of superhuman ninja.


not to mention this is the oddest harassment campaign ever. Apparently, months would go by without an incident


no, it is 100% obvious Cindy was doing this all to herself and she was extremely mentally ill. Munchausen syndrome is definitely something she had especially

[drew790]

It is 100% obvious she was murdered

[UMfan30]

After reading the book by Neal Hall I am convinced it was a suicide.

[alistaircranium]

Chiming in to say, once again, that I believe Cindy was murdered.

[Huskerz85]

This is the best (or most detailed) thread I've read on the case

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=362081