Dave Bocks

[Apostapler]

I'm sure the supervisor had to have been questioned about this (okay, I'm not sure, but they SHOULD have). You would think that with Dave Bocks being dead, the content of the conversation would have become public knowledge or at least the supervisor would want to clear up what was discussed, if he's not bound by some sort of agreement (what agreement could you be bound by this long after?). The fact that there isn't information about this available makes me very suspicious about the content of the conversation. Why wouldn't the supervisor want to clear that up to remove suspicion from himself?

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by kadrmas15

I mean I know it sounds crazy and I have no evidence to back up what I am saying it is just an opinion, but I think someone got to them. Someone in a higher place got to them and said, this is a suicide, you are going to treat it as a suicide and that is that. I mean that was federal property where NLO was and I am surprised the FBI was not more involved. They might have been and we were just not told about it, that I do not know.

I completely agree. Especially when you said that they may have been told "Look this was a suicide, treat it as such." Plus, they probably killed him in the manner they did to hide any and all evidence and probably didn't expect anything to surface or even exist after they dumped him in.

Mastermind, when you said the FBI may not have been involved because it was labeled a suicide and no one made a stink about it, well Bocks daughter did have the segment broadcasted UM and she did say, as well as some of his friends, that there was no way he committed suicide. That's a pretty big stink, going to national television and all to have your side of the story told. I think the fact that this was shown on television and several people disagreeing with the suicide ruling and the FBI not getting involved furthers kadrmas point that it was deemed a suicide by higher ups and told to leave it alone.

[Mastermind]

Mastermind, when you said the FBI may not have been involved because it was labeled a suicide and no one made a stink about it, well Bocks daughter did have the segment broadcasted UM and she did say, as well as some of his friends, that there was no way he committed suicide. That's a pretty big stink

What I actually meant was that there was probably no supervisor or SAC (special agent in charge) that was angered enough to force the investigation.


The suicide ruling by the local police, gave the FBI an excuse to not investigate.
If an agent or supervisor was swamped with work, he could easily refuse the case based upon it being a suicide and no apparent threat to the federal installation.

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by Mastermind

What I actually meant was that there was probably no supervisor or SAC (special agent in charge) that was angered enough to force the investigation.

Ah, OK. Makes sense now. What was Dave supposedly going to blow the whistle on again? And what would have been the punishment for those involved? I cannot remember.

[sdb4884]

Did Dave have another set of keys on him? Did the supervisor leave the keys where someone knew they where? or was Easterling mistaken?

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by sdb4884

Did Dave have another set of keys on him? Did the supervisor leave the keys where someone knew they where? or was Easterling mistaken?

I think the fact that the keys were found in the furnace basically intact without much harm being done to them backs up Easterling's story that he saw Dave's keys in his toolbox. The killer(s) probably noticed the keys as well and went and dumped them in the furnace hours after Dave had been dumped in. That would explain why Bocks body was gone yet the keys had not been melted.

[TheCafeDisco]

THis case was always puzzling to me. That is a horrible way to go whether he was dead when he hit the furnace or not its still really messed up.

NLO owned by the department of energy that makes nuclear weapons? Yeah thats pretty heavy stuff. Exactly the kind of stuff that the government wants to keep secret. The toxic waste, secret weapons and empolyees coming forward saying that at work they had to keep everything hush hush is more than enough for anyone to believe something fishy is going on. If all of these secrets with nlo are going on it really isnt that far fetched to believe that either other employees or the nlo company itself had something to do with poor dave's death.

The witness that saw dave talking to his supervisor in a car said the windows were rolled up despite how hot it was that evening. More Hush hush things going down I suppose.
Another witness said that dave left his keys in his tool box and never came back for them.
One of the items found was some sort of looped wire. Why would he have had a looped wire on him? He could have been tied up and lowered into the furnace but I don't see why he would have this if he commited suide and just jumped in.


I'll bet the supervisor was told by another or other employees that dave knew too much about the waste release in the plant. I mean this wasn't just getting rid of some waste here and there. Nlo was a big controversy plant esp. When the supervisor spoke with dave in the car he probably asked him what he knew, realesed he knew too much sent him to plant 4 instead of his regular plant 8 a couple employees shot him freaked out and threw him in the furnace in plant 6.

My question is that, is the supervisor that spoke to dave in the car the same supervisor that said there was absolutley nothing in the furnace when notified by another employee? That raises hella suspicion.
Also, why did the supervisor take the keys and shut his box? why would he need to do that? At that point no one knew he was dead, unless the supervisor had something to do with it and already knew he was gone. If he just thought he was working there would have been no reason to take his keys and shut his box. The supervisor looks super suspicious, if in fact its the same supervisor, but i dont think unsloved mysteries mentioned the supervisor(s) name or names.

Ugghhh this case will never be solved.

[HHorseman]

Suicide by jumping into toxic acid doesnt wash with me,seems far to much of a easy out for the company given John had a past incident why im sure the company was fully aware of.

Does anyone know what happended to the journalist that they interviewed on the segment he was pretty diffrent,I googled his name up awhile back to no avail.

[kadrmas15]

He is mentioned briefly in this article about an investigation into satanism in Indiana schools: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussi...article=122804

[HHorseman]

Originally Posted by kadrmas15

He is mentioned briefly in this article about an investigation into satanism in Indiana schools: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussi...article=122804

Thank you very much, I wonder why theirs such minimal info on the guy.

[MegtheEgg86]

Bumped this because I came across this today. It's a website maintained by a U of Cincinnati Clermont Biology and Chemistry professor. Apparently he used to give a slide show in the late '80s and early '90s on the environmental and health hazards posed by NLO:

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...d/fernald.html

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by MegtheEgg86

Bumped this because I came across this today. It's a website maintained by a U of Cincinnati Clermont Biology and Chemistry professor. Apparently he used to give a slide show in the late '80s and early '90s on the environmental and health hazards posed by NLO:

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/fankhauser...d/fernald.html

Wow, thanks for the link Meg! How eerie would it be if in one of those pictures on the slide-show, stood Dave Bocks or possibly, his killer....

[egswanso]

Originally Posted by Apostapler

I'm sure the supervisor had to have been questioned about this (okay, I'm not sure, but they SHOULD have). You would think that with Dave Bocks being dead, the content of the conversation would have become public knowledge or at least the supervisor would want to clear up what was discussed, if he's not bound by some sort of agreement (what agreement could you be bound by this long after?). The fact that there isn't information about this available makes me very suspicious about the content of the conversation. Why wouldn't the supervisor want to clear that up to remove suspicion from himself?

The whole story is full of questions like this, which just strikes me as a abject failure of LE. It's very frustrating that we are speculating as to even if it's possible for Bocks to have committed suicide, when such a thing should be easily demonstratable. If it was physically impossible for a person to lower themselves into the furnace, then it would be impossible for Bocks to have committed suicide in this matter, period. There's no excuse for this to remain unknown.

Now the comments re: the FBI not investigating, I am not sure FBI would have had jurisdiction. I understand it was a building controlled by the feds, but that alone would not give the FBI jurisdiction. This said, I'm sure the FBI could have FOUND some grounds for jurisdiction if it were so inclined.

[TracyLynnS]

I don't know anything about manufacturing nuclear weapons or refining uranium or whatever the heck it was that NLO was doing, but I am wondering exactly what it was that fueled the furnace where the body was found.

The family was told that the few remaining bones found couldn't be released to them because they were so toxic that they had to be sealed and stored in a waste dump or something.

Why would Dave Bock's bones be contaminated with radioactive material if he was found dead in a furnace? Even that russian KGB agent, Alexander V. Litvinenko, who was poisoned to death with something radioactive (polonium?) was able to have a burial in a cemetery and they had his entire body, not just a tiny portion of remains.

[MissFit29]

I found this site today - it gives a lot of the history of the Fernald plant site and the future plans for the site after the safe closure. With all these plants being demolished, it makes you wonder what happened to Dave's remains.

http://www.lm.doe.gov/land/sites/oh/...orig/index.htm