Death of Keith Warren

[EverythingNthensome]

If someone could post a link to the original thread it would be awesome.

Keith Warren's case has always bothered me. The one thing that gets to me is how quickly and suspicious the case was handled. I know someone here wrote a theory on how they believed Mark Findley was convinced by the suspicious characters Keith had been seen hanging around with, to get him to go to their party. And there, that's when they drugged him , and proceeded to change his clothing. I do agree with this person because it does seem like the most sensible scenario. However I happened to DVR this case the other day and it upset me that lifetime cut out a few parts. One part they didn't mention was how the paramedic knew it wasn't a suicide right away. And what upset me too was how much the police got away with. This case reminds me of Kurt sova in the sense that years later it was discovered that the police was in cahoots with the drug dealers in town. And even one of the deputies ,I believe had been arrested for dealing and selling drugs , as well as a lot of other illegal activities. I've seen Those photos of mark and for that to be ruled off as accident and left that way pisses me off. It was said on The segment by Keith's friend that he was known to have predominately white friends. He barley associated with blacks. When Keith's mother said that he started hanging around with Men who had bad reputations I find it hard to believe that a guy like Keith, especially at that age in his life would decide to hang out with the wrong crowd. He is sill young but I would expect that from a younger kid maybe 13-15. From the segment his family seemed well rounded and educated, they probably
Guided Keith when it came to the type of people to hang around with. I've known personally ( because of a large family) a lot of people in gangs. And police officers. some are family members that are distant and some are friends and to be honest, they can get away with a lot but from the information and details given on this case, Those un-reputable characters who were looking for Keith could have never gotten away with all that has happened without some sort of police help. It's seriously sickening and my heart goes out to the Warrens. But the reason that I do believe police were involved is because

1. Keith's case had been closed within the same day. What type of detectives were on this case? And I'm wondering if specific police officers requested it, being that Keith's mother complained that the police had been rude to her on several occasions. I understand officers can be a bit cold, but toward someone who's lost a child? What were they hiding ?

2. What kind of police / detective work requires for the parent of the deceased to find out their child had been dead hours after it has happened. Keith's body and face were not horribly disfigured to a point of being unrecognizable. This has no excuse what so ever.

3. Maybe it's just me. But I have herd of suicides being committed outside and not once have I herd of LE removing the tree as "evidence" and even if it was WHY would you destroy the evidence..

4. Keith's mother received graphic photos of Keith , saying that Mark Findley would be next. She described them as photos only the police would have. What are the chances that the murder ended up taking photos of the person they just killed in the same style and angle that the police had? Unless of course it's the police the whole time

5. Mark findley's accident. Don't even get me started.

[TracyLynnS]

I didn't watch the YT interview but I did scan through the pics very quickly. As mentioned upthread, that is most certainly a photograph of Emmett Till.

Were they using his photos in that portion of the video to compare racially motivated killings, to illustrate that the injuries they think Mark Findley suffered were similar, or for a different reason?

If someone could post a link to the original thread it would be awesome.

Here's the link to the main Keith Warren thread:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...t=keith+warren

[EverythingNthensome]

I didn't catch that, but I have a feelings that is most likely the reason for the photos. Thank you for the link though.

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by EverythingNthensome

If someone could post a link to the original thread it would be awesome.

Keith Warren's case has always bothered me. The one thing that gets to me is how quickly and suspicious the case was handled. I know someone here wrote a theory on how they believed Mark Findley was convinced by the suspicious characters Keith had been seen hanging around with, to get him to go to their party. And there, that's when they drugged him , and proceeded to change his clothing. I do agree with this person because it does seem like the most sensible scenario. However I happened to DVR this case the other day and it upset me that lifetime cut out a few parts. One part they didn't mention was how the paramedic knew it wasn't a suicide right away. And what upset me too was how much the police got away with. This case reminds me of Kurt sova in the sense that years later it was discovered that the police was in cahoots with the drug dealers in town. And even one of the deputies ,I believe had been arrested for dealing and selling drugs , as well as a lot of other illegal activities. I've seen Those photos of mark and for that to be ruled off as accident and left that way pisses me off. It was said on The segment by Keith's friend that he was known to have predominately white friends. He barley associated with blacks. When Keith's mother said that he started hanging around with Men who had bad reputations I find it hard to believe that a guy like Keith, especially at that age in his life would decide to hang out with the wrong crowd. He is sill young but I would expect that from a younger kid maybe 13-15. From the segment his family seemed well rounded and educated, they probably
Guided Keith when it came to the type of people to hang around with. I've known personally ( because of a large family) a lot of people in gangs. And police officers. some are family members that are distant and some are friends and to be honest, they can get away with a lot but from the information and details given on this case, Those un-reputable characters who were looking for Keith could have never gotten away with all that has happened without some sort of police help. It's seriously sickening and my heart goes out to the Warrens. But the reason that I do believe police were involved is because

1. Keith's case had been closed within the same day. What type of detectives were on this case? And I'm wondering if specific police officers requested it, being that Keith's mother complained that the police had been rude to her on several occasions. I understand officers can be a bit cold, but toward someone who's lost a child? What were they hiding ?

2. What kind of police / detective work requires for the parent of the deceased to find out their child had been dead hours after it has happened. Keith's body and face were not horribly disfigured to a point of being unrecognizable. This has no excuse what so ever.

3. Maybe it's just me. But I have herd of suicides being committed outside and not once have I herd of LE removing the tree as "evidence" and even if it was WHY would you destroy the evidence..

4. Keith's mother received graphic photos of Keith , saying that Mark Findley would be next. She described them as photos only the police would have. What are the chances that the murder ended up taking photos of the person they just killed in the same style and angle that the police had? Unless of course it's the police the whole time

5. Mark findley's accident. Don't even get me started.

Hello,

this is Sherri Warren and I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions. I have since come upon new information regarding the death of my brother. If you go to www.keithwarrenjusticesite.com I have posted questions I have asked of MCPD and their response. one of the most troubling is question#4 the police officer wrote in his notes that the Detective knew of Keiths prior mental history at the scene 5 hours prior to notification to my mother. When I asked the question as to whether or not the Det. had prior interaction with Keith I was told no. When I asked how did the Det know of Keith's prior mental history at the scene I was told the information was obtain from a undocumented third party at the scene. That alone should get this case re-opened and reclassified. I will also be posting videos and other physical documentation from MCPD that is in direct contradiction of their argument of this being a suicide.- Sherri

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by nikkispence1989

Can some one just refresh my mind. I know I said that i only watched it the other day but I watch that much stuff, read tons and clean all at the same time so i sometimes get confused.

Keith's body was sent straight to a funeral place, no autopsy. Cause of death presumably asphyxiation caused by hanging ones self?

Then the body is exhumed and an autopsy done, now if i remember rightly there was toxic things in his body but was it enough to kill him? Is that what caused his death? Did they notice any bruising on the neck? If not then it must be presumed that some one hung him after he was already dead therefor unable to bruise?

Is there an actually cause of death?

Hello,

This is Sherri Warren and I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions from everyone. I have since come upon new information regarding the death of my brother. If you go to www.keithwarrenjusticesite.com I have posted questions I have asked of MCPD and their response. one of the most troubling is question#4 the police officer wrote in his notes that the Detective knew of Keiths prior mental history at the scene 5 hours prior to notification to my mother. When I asked the question as to whether or not the Det. had prior interaction with Keith I was told no. When I asked how did the Det know of Keith's prior mental history at the scene I was told the information was obtain from a undocumented third party at the scene. That alone should get this case re-opened and reclassified. I will also be posting videos and other physical documentation from MCPD that is in direct contradiction of their argument of this being a suicide.- Sherri

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by LittleBeast69

R.E. Keith's death I definitely agree in that he most likely died at a party from the affects of a drug. However, I believe that this drug (one revealed to be used primarily by funeral homes and not something easily attainable by teenagers) was intentionally given to him (via a drink) to insure his silence about certain illegal activities he'd stumbled on to. By the mid-to-late 1980's (and ever since then) Montgomery County -as well as several other Maryland regions bordering Washington- had acquired a significant drug subculture that bled over from nearby District of Columbia. From what I've read stated by both Keith's sister, interviews with his mom, and a friend of the family, Keith hadn't had any involvement with Mark Findley for a number of years due to a physical alteraction between them. IMHO I think this fight was related to Findley attempting to induct him into his drug-related circle, one that most likely included ties to individuals in law enforcement (the state has a lengthy history with corruption in its police departments -especially narcotics and vice). From the manner in which his body was discovered to the outright bizarre actions of the Montgomery County Police Dept and Medical Examiner's Office, it is abundantly obvious that someone with a great deal of influence was intent on the public perceiving Keith Warren's death -despite the evidence- being a suicide. There were way too many incidents after the discovery of his body (e.g. being found in clothing/footwear not his own, a medic on the scene that instantly disputed the suicide ruling based on the inconsistencies, no autopsy, and Keith being sent directly to the funeral home for embalming without so much as a call to the family) for it to be just an example of shoddy police work and the covering up of a kid o.d.-ing at a house party. Even after he was in the ground the aftermath pointed to something so much more complicated and sinister, culimating in the envelop containing the official crime scene photos arriving on his mother's doorstep. Someone in the Montgomery Police Dept, an individual fully aware of what actually went down but not a part of it, wanted very much to point Mary Warren Couey and Keith's sister, Sherri, in the direction of the truth. This person, clearly disgusted by the dept's actions enough to send the Warrens shocking proof that they were being lied to, even confided that one of the persons responsible for betraying Keith, Mark Findley, "...would be next". When Findley, after having left Mary a frantic rambling message that he needed to come by and "unload", turned up dead of an alleged motorcyle accident (one not substanciated by the coroner who said it appeared as if he'd been beaten with a baseball bat), it turned out that the anonymous sender of the package had been all too correct.
I'm not a criminal profiler in the least, but IMHO, my theory -one that several others on this message board share- is that Keith Warren had been recruited as an informant to expose the connection between his drug using peers and several corrupt cops in the narcotics divisions they were in union with. This might explain why Keith, who'd been known to not associate with the majority of his classmates, would suddenly be interacting with several of them and Mark Findley (a person that he hadn't had any contact with in years). Somehow the crooked narcs learned of this and ordered Findley to get rid of Keith or face a similar fate, resulting in him desperately making enquiries to Keith's whereabouts days before his death. The guilt of all this ate so much at him that he needed to come clean to Keith's mom. Those same figures took swift action to prevent that from happening.

Hello,

This is Sherri Warren and I apologize for the delay in responding to your questions. I have since come upon new information regarding the death of my brother. If you go to www.keithwarrenjusticesite.com I have posted questions I have asked of MCPD and their response. one of the most troubling is question#4 the police officer wrote in his notes that the Detective knew of Keiths prior mental history at the scene 5 hours prior to notification to my mother. When I asked the question as to whether or not the Det. had prior interaction with Keith I was told no. When I asked how did the Det know of Keith's prior mental history at the scene I was told the information was obtain from a undocumented third party at the scene. That alone should get this case re-opened and reclassified. I will also be posting videos and other physical documentation from MCPD that is in direct contradiction of their argument of this being a suicide. Another troubling fact is that MCPD would like for me to believe that Keith walked 2/10 of a mile from where is car was parked through our neighborhood carrying a 40ft rope, change of clothes and two 4 pack of wine cooler even though there was parking less than 5 ft of where is body was found- Sherri

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

I didn't watch the YT interview but I did scan through the pics very quickly. As mentioned upthread, that is most certainly a photograph of Emmett Till.

Were they using his photos in that portion of the video to compare racially motivated killings, to illustrate that the injuries they think Mark Findley suffered were similar, or for a different reason?



Here's the link to the main Keith Warren thread:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...t=keith+warren

What update me on what "YT" is?

[WishfulDreamer]

Originally Posted by keith warren

What update me on what "YT" is?

''YT'' stands for Youtube. Sometimes users will also call it ''the forbidden site'' as it's against the rules to post links to episodes on there.

[EverythingNthensome]

Hello Sherri, my deepest condolences goes out to you and
Your family. I pray you gain closure and more information on the case. I will be looking into the web link
You sent. Thank you so much.

[mikewho]

One thing I've wondered about this case, do they know what Keith was doing in the hour or hours leading up to this or maybe who he was with that morning? Curious what his schedule was that day. Been a while since I've seen the case.

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

Originally Posted by EverythingNthensome

4. Keith's mother received graphic photos of Keith , saying that Mark Findley would be next. She described them as photos only the police would have. What are the chances that the murder ended up taking photos of the person they just killed in the same style and angle that the police had? Unless of course it's the police the whole time

The mother receiving these photos is the main reason I remember this case. Back then pictures (except Polaroids) were taken on film, so if the murderer took them, either the murderer or an accomplice would have had to develop and print them to avoid being turned in to the authorities by the developer. I don't suppose there was anything distinctive about the paper on which they were printed (was it amateur, professional, is there a difference, where would it have been purchased, and so on)?

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by Cori aka ChrisSCrush

The mother receiving these photos is the main reason I remember this case. Back then pictures (except Polaroids) were taken on film, so if the murderer took them, either the murderer or an accomplice would have had to develop and print them to avoid being turned in to the authorities by the developer. I don't suppose there was anything distinctive about the paper on which they were printed (was it amateur, professional, is there a difference, where would it have been purchased, and so on)?

I'm almost positive that it was confirmed that those photos were copies of the actual crime scene photos. (I'd have to read back through the main KW thread to be sure.)

IIRC, receiving those photos was the first time Keith's mother realized that Keith was found wearing clothes that didn't belong to him.

IMO, whoever sent them must have had connections to law enforcement to be able to get copies of those photos to send along with that threat/note.

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

I'm almost positive that it was confirmed that those photos were copies of the actual crime scene photos. (I'd have to read back through the main KW thread to be sure.)

IIRC, receiving those photos was the first time Keith's mother realized that Keith was found wearing clothes that didn't belong to him.

IMO, whoever sent them must have had connections to law enforcement to be able to get copies of those photos to send along with that threat/note.

The pictures were taken by MCPD at the time the body was found. From what was explained to me someone went into the police files got the negatives had the pictures developed and put the negatives back.. MCPD knew back in '86 that Keith was not wearing the clothing he left the house in just like they sat on the information the lead detective used information from an unknown, unrelated, undocumented source to determine Keith's death a suicide. No one with a medical background examine Keith's body prior to removal to the funeral home.

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by Cori aka ChrisSCrush

The mother receiving these photos is the main reason I remember this case. Back then pictures (except Polaroids) were taken on film, so if the murderer took them, either the murderer or an accomplice would have had to develop and print them to avoid being turned in to the authorities by the developer. I don't suppose there was anything distinctive about the paper on which they were printed (was it amateur, professional, is there a difference, where would it have been purchased, and so on)?

The pictures were taken by MCPD at the time the body was found. From what was explained to me someone went into the police files got the negatives had the pictures developed and put the negatives back.. MCPD knew back in '86 that Keith was not wearing the clothing he left the house in just like they sat on the information for the past 28yrs that the lead detective used information from an unknown, unrelated, undocumented source to determine Keith's death a suicide. No one with a medical background examine Keith's body prior to removal to the funeral home.

Read more: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...#ixzz3Krnlhomv

[keith warren]

Originally Posted by Steve W.

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question (names of people present at the scene when Keith's body was "found")?

My apology for delay in responding... the individuals who were in the house where the 911 called came from at the time of death did not want their names on the police report and the police did not interview them. 1 died back in the 90's, 1 threatens to sue you everytime you mention his name and Keith's name in the same sentence and the last one plays dumb.