Lucie Hates Lucy

[Mickey]

Seems to me that celebrities and their children generally fall into one of two camps. There's Dick and Barry van Dyke, Jack and Chris Lemmon (mind you, they had their problems for a while), Kirk and Michael Douglas and others on the one side, and then there's the flip side. Henry and Peter Fonda, Enid Blyton and her kids, Bing Crosby and his kids. There's no doubt that Hollywood screws you up, and if you've got sense you try to bring your children up away from that as much as possible.

I've never noticed any real animosity in what Lucie says, though I don't read her every word like some people. She (and Lucy) don't get the coverage in Britain for one thing. She says what she thinks, and what she perceived things to have been like. I'm sure if I wrote down what I thought my childhood was like it would surprise my parents. They think they're doing one thing, we invariably think another. Would those of you think who think that Lucie is being unfair feel that way if you weren't Lucy fans? It may well be that you're just not detached enough to make a fair judgement.

[bweir]

Originally posted by Mickey
Would those of you think who think that Lucie is being unfair feel that way if you weren't Lucy fans? It may well be that you're just not detached enough to make a fair judgement.

I completely agree with you. A few years ago I used to get upset at some of the things Lucie said about Lucy and then I realised that it was HER life and SHE experienced it. None of us were there and it is unfair of us to judge her by her own perceptions. Lucie has nothing to GAIN from telling her honest feelings to books that are supposed to give the full picture of Lucy's life. Maybe Lucie didn't FEEL loved but KNEW she was loved in the best way that Lucy could provide. This must be the case as she and Desi have done a helluva job in preserving and maintaining their parents' legacies.

[Pitooey]

There were times when I would hear Lucie speak about her mother and I would be in shock.

I never understood why Lucie would speak in such a bad way about her mother, After all millions of people love her mother. I like Lucie alot but, I don't agree with her bashing her mother every time she speaks about her in public. I'm sure Lucy has done mistakes but, I bet Lucie has too. I think for Lucie that " it's time for forgiving her mother". She should've done this before her mother died so she could be at peace herself. Not every parent is perfect and alot of us have gripes about them but, she gave birth to Lucie and that's one BIG declaration of love in itself. It's time for Lucie to let her mother rest in peace. It will be the best thing she ever did for herself.

[vze3t9q9]

Who is Enid Blyton? Haven't heard of this person.

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well, i'm backing down, because i apparently shocked some people with my response, but it's been stored for quite a while and needed air! Thanks for letting it go on, maybe we can really debate this and get some answers as to why it's still going on!

I was speaking to the whole board, not just you. Everything is cool so far.

[bweir]

Originally posted by vze3t9q9
Who is Enid Blyton? Haven't heard of this person.

A British children's novelist.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by Mickey
Would those of you think who think that Lucie is being unfair feel that way if you weren't Lucy fans? It may well be that you're just not detached enough to make a fair judgement.

You should no by now I'm not one of those Lucy fanatics who can't tolerate anything negative being said about Lucille Ball. As Claude can attest, I've done more than my share of Lucy bashing here (as opposed to Lucie bashing). Remember, for example, my "Was Lucy a slut?" discussion?

[onlyonelucy]

Well, I know that Jane doesn't like me but.........I have to agree with her on this one. There is not one thing that she wrote that I don't agree with. I couldn't have said it better myself. Great write-up Jane.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by Ricardos4ever

Remember the nice song that Lucie sang to her mother when she was inducted into the Television Hall of Fame called "My Mother the Star"? It was performed with nothin' but love, if you ask me.

Oh yes, I remember that song Lucie sang while her mother was still alive! Like I said before, I never knew Lucie to say anything negative about her mother while she was alive, before she got that big, fat inheritance. But since her mother has died, it's just the opposite: I never hear her say anything NICE about her.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by SPLAIN
One LAST thing, if Lucy was indeed a BAD mother, it takes two people to make a BAD relationship and Lucy paid for it in the end, didn't she DIE ALONE in that hospital room because her cheap husband had cancelled the nurse, and where were her kids at that time, already counting the money that would go to them? The word S P O I L E D seems so appropriate here!

To be fair, Lucie did visit her mother when she was in the hospital towards the end. But on the night she died, everyone thought she was actually healing and on the road to recovery. It was a surprise to everyone. Perhaps that's why no one was with her that night. And after all, her death did occur in the middle of the night, like 4 AM.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by Pitooey
It's time for Lucie to let her mother rest in peace. It will be the best thing she ever did for herself.

Amen!

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by JaneTVFan
You should no by now I'm not one of those Lucy fanatics who can't tolerate anything negative being said about Lucille Ball. As Claude can attest, I've done more than my share of Lucy bashing here (as opposed to Lucie bashing). Remember, for example, my "Was Lucy a slut?" discussion?

Yikes! Let me say this again without typos:

You should know by now that I'm not one of those Lucy fanatics who can't tolerate anything negative being said about Lucille Ball. As Claude can attest, I've done more than my share of Lucy bashing here (as opposed to Lucie bashing). Remember, for example, my "Was Lucy a slut?" discussion?

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by onlyonelucy
Well, I know that Jane doesn't like me but.........I have to agree with her on this one. There is not one thing that she wrote that I don't agree with. I couldn't have said it better myself. Great write-up Jane.

Just because I've been a bitch to you doesn't mean I don't like you. Thanks, though.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by That Other Fan
BTW, what the hell was Steven Allen's problem that day?

I don't think it's so much that Steve Allen had a "problem" that day, I believe it's more that when people reach that age, they often tend to be more blunt than they used to be. Old people often don't give a darn anymore what people think; they say what they want to say. But actually, he was making a good point about Lucy fanatics who have no life other than Lucy. He was probably tired of hearing people like that talk about how they missed her when, in fact, they never even knew her. He did know her. Her friends and family knew her. But all those particular Lucy fanatics knew of her was her work, which is still here for us all to enjoy. His point was that he and people who truly knew her were the ones who suffered a loss. The rest of us fans never lost anything because we never had HER to begin with. So he was basically saying, you fans didn't lose anything, so just get over it.

[JaneTVFan]

Originally posted by bweir
A few years ago I used to get upset at some of the things Lucie said about Lucy and then I realised that it was HER life and SHE experienced it. None of us were there and it is unfair of us to judge her by her own perceptions.

Well somehow Lucie thinks it's okay for HER to judge OTHERS' perceptions of her mother. When Jim Brochu wrote his book, she was all over the place basically calling him a liar. She said he made her mother seem "too nice." Too nice? Heaven forbid anyone make Lucille Ball seem too nice! Why couldn't she just leave it at, here's the way I saw her, and that's the way he saw her? That apparently wasn't good enough. In her mind, apparently no one's opinion of her mother is valid unless it matches her own opinion.