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Georgia's on my Mind · 11-25-2002, 08:24 PM

I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world. Why should 13 year old's be so corrupt? I really don't understand the whole "rebellion" thing....and i'm 16, and have never had a point where I can remember wanting to rebel....Maybe I am just insane who knows. I think that in general more families should be family oriented...and since there not, you have to have smart and streetwise kids instead of wholesome people. But I guess Lisa is trying to set an example, I just don't think it is right for a normal family...But let's see how her family ends up.

ABlairican Pie · 11-25-2002, 08:38 PM

))UOTE]Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world. Why should 13 year old's be so corrupt? I really don't understand the whole "rebellion" thing....and i'm 16, and have never had a point where I can remember wanting to rebel....Maybe I am just insane who knows. I think that in general more families should be family oriented...and since there not, you have to have smart and streetwise kids instead of wholesome people. But I guess Lisa is trying to set an example, I just don't think it is right for a normal family...But let's see how her family ends up. [/QUOTE]

Actually, when I said rebellion I meant not in the way of blow stuff up and be a total punk but more in the way of having your independence and being cool and all those nifty rite-of-passage type things. I don't think that a person like Tucker should be corrupt. (That was a joke I was making back there about Slipknot and all that.

)I'm just thinking of how Tucker probably wants to play and listen to music that says something about him and gives him some sense of identity. I just don't think as an aspring musician he's gonna find it in stuff like Jump-5 or Jaci or
whatever so much in Christian music. They got rid of the really cool stuff years ago. Now it's teenybopper fluff with no guitars.

DarleneIllyria · 11-25-2002, 08:54 PM

Well, how do you know something is good or bad? Seriously, I'm trying to imagine myself in Lisa's shoes. Is it the look factor? If she looks at the cd cover and the artists are in dark clothing and black lipstick and piercings everywhere, does that make her tell her kids that they can't buy the cd? It's just a cd cover. If they have a devil head on the front of the cover, it doesn't necessarily mean the music is sinful music or whatever. If she buys the kid an Eminem cd she could sit the kid down and say, 'Just because Eminem talks about doing this, doesn't mean the listener should actually do this.'

I know some kids go wacko if they listen to Manson. Manson's lyrics doesn't provoke somebody to do something bad. You have to be messed up in the head already to go out and shoot up your school or something. I bet the same thing would happen if you listen to classical music, if you are messed up. If you are listening to a fast musical piece the voices in your head could tell you to take a gun and shoot your family. If you are listening to a slow piece the voices could tell you to blow your brains out.

I hope everybody gets what I'm saying because I know I started rambling towards the top.

Kay Scarpetta · 11-25-2002, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world.

Well no offense, but you've lead me to the impression that your one of these 'holier-than-thou' people. Not a lot of people are like that. Some parents believe in giving their kids total independance with their lives, or at least some. I don't think everyone in the world actually would appreciate listening to Christian music. I don't think many kids would like being sheltered either. Half the kids wouldn't even listen to their parents anyways.

U2baby · 11-25-2002, 09:37 PM

Tucker will surely find a way to listen to whatever music he wants. She's insane to make it taboo for him, there are tons of excellent artists that he will be missing out on. It's sad really. She must not trust the kid or have enough faith in him.

Regarding Lisa's journal, a couple other things blew me away while reading it. There was an entry where she practically tries to justify slavery. How the founding fathers thought it was God's will or something like that. Yikes.
Second, regarding her bankruptcy. She made sure to say how Christians consider it immoral... then of course, she goes to her pastor and, lo and behold, they find a way to justify it for themselves. But anyone else who does it is immoral or un-Christian. Right wing hypocrisy at it's finest.

I've come to the conclusion she's a bit narrow-minded.

Yet I still read her journal, because I like them and their family and I enjoy having a glimpse into other people's lives.

All that said, she's still ok with me, anyone who is a big Survivor fan can't be all bad! It would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything.

PS - GO JAN!!! Winner of Survivor 5!!!

Georgia's on my Mind · 11-25-2002, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by Babes_Kay

Well no offense, but you've lead me to the impression that your one of these 'holier-than-thou' people. Not a lot of people are like that. Some parents believe in giving their kids total independance with their lives, or at least some. I don't think everyone in the world actually would appreciate listening to Christian music. I don't think many kids would like being sheltered either. Half the kids wouldn't even listen to their parents anyways.

Well I took offense...I never said that thats the way works or ever will work I just think that when you have a kid you should really try to keep a good environment...If the child doesn't have a parent to parent them then how are they going to know how to structure their lives? And the media has so much brain washing....I see why Lisa really is trying togive her kids the best childhood she can...This is just my opinion.

Kay Scarpetta · 11-25-2002, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind

Well I took offense...I never said that thats the way works or ever will work I just think that when you have a kid you should really try to keep a good environment...If the child doesn't have a parent to parent them then how are they going to know how to structure their lives? And the media has so much brain washing....I see why Lisa really is trying togive her kids the best childhood she can...This is just my opinion.

Well sorry, but that's the impression you have left me with after that whole goddamn deal on the Chit Chat about you "being right" about Catholicism. A good environment?! Jesus Christ, the CD was probably as harmless as Jimmy Eat World! Ooooo, the song had the word "damn" in it. It's not like Tucker's never going to hear the damn word! The best childhood?! Those kids are going to go crazy in 'high school'. She probably will homeschool them through that too... she's sheltering them as much as she can and I feel bad for those kids. I feel bad for ANYONE who is sheltered like that!

Jinny Girl · 11-25-2002, 09:51 PM

Well... my mother was never like that. She doesn't say anything about my all black woredrobe or dark makeup. She let's me listen to what I want. Including Stonesour lyrics that "Mother****er" is litterally every other word. I'm 14. Tucker isnt that much younger than me.

Think of it thise way. Benji from good charlotte was onyl allowed to listen to Christian music as a kid, and he had to sneak CDs into his house, and Juse look at him now. *points to freaky looking mohawk guy in avatar* Makes you wonder how lisas kida are gonna look in a few years.

Jinny Girl · 11-25-2002, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by Babes_Kay

Well sorry, but that's the impression you have left me with after that whole goddamn deal on the Chit Chat about you "being right" about Catholicism. A good environment?! Jesus Christ, the CD was probably as harmless as Jimmy Eat World! Ooooo, the song had the word "damn" in it. It's not like Tucker's never going to hear the damn word! The best childhood?! Those kids are going to go crazy in 'high school'. She probably will homeschool them through that too... she's sheltering them as much as she can and I feel bad for those kids. I feel bad for ANYONE who is sheltered like that!

Yeah. They are way too sheltered. One time she was was talking about how she wanted to protect her kids from learning the meaning fo like... gay and stuff. When they were 10. I knew what it meant by the time I was about 6. Sorry if thats "corrupt", but thats the way that it works. Anmd how tucker aologised for looking at "immodest pictures" and her daughter hugged her for getting spanked. I'm sorry, but isn't that ever so odd? Not everyone is the same, but I can tell you the one time my mom ever TRIED to hit me (she slapped my leg) I made it clear that would not happen again. Becuase I wont stand for that. I cant imagine HUGGING my mother for doing it. And spanking her kids for getting an icepop before dinner. My mom would just say "Oh well, hope it didn't spoil your dinner" and walk away. and then id just prolly eat another one. and she wouldnt care/

DarleneIllyria · 11-25-2002, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Babes_Kay

Well sorry, but that's the impression you have left me with after that whole goddamn deal on the Chit Chat about you "being right" about Catholicism. A good environment?! Jesus Christ, the CD was probably as harmless as Jimmy Eat World! Ooooo, the song had the word "damn" in it. It's not like Tucker's never going to hear the damn word! The best childhood?! Those kids are going to go crazy in 'high school'. She probably will homeschool them through that too... she's sheltering them as much as she can and I feel bad for those kids. I feel bad for ANYONE who is sheltered like that!

Yeah, I could understand a little bit of sheltering when you're a little kid but when you reach 10 or 11 years old that's the time you need to start snipping the sheltering strings.

I swear I'm not trying to be funny here. I promise I'm not and I'm not trying to insult Lisa or her family, but this whole thing is bringing visions of the movie 'Psycho' to mind. If you've seen all 4 of the Psycho movies (not including the remake they did) then you know two things. 1) Norma Bates was very protective of Norman. You know how Norma went on and on about those 'filthy girls' and 2) Norman was one screwed up fella. I know I'm comparing some horror movie to real life, but sometimes that over protectiveness really screws somebody over in the long run.

MrsGarrettRocksMySocks · 11-25-2002, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Jinny Girl

Yeah. They are way too sheltered. One time she was was talking about how she wanted to protect her kids from learning the meaning fo like... gay and stuff. When they were 10. I knew what it meant by the time I was about 6. Sorry if thats "corrupt", but thats the way that it works. Anmd how tucker aologised for looking at "immodest pictures" and her daughter hugged her for getting spanked. I'm sorry, but isn't that ever so odd? Not everyone is the same, but I can tell you the one time my mom ever TRIED to hit me (she slapped my leg) I made it clear that would not happen again. Becuase I wont stand for that. I cant imagine HUGGING my mother for doing it. And spanking her kids for getting an icepop before dinner. My mom would just say "Oh well, hope it didn't spoil your dinner" and walk away. and then id just prolly eat another one. and she wouldnt care/

ummm...I know I'm gonna get totally screwed over here...and people are gonna scream at me..but, this is my two cents...

okay, I've noticed that some people think that Lisa shouldn't be writing books about disipline..blah blah blah..and then they say things like, "My mom would never..." Well, did you ever stop to think that Lisa is giving her parenting views...AND then you're saying, she's wrong because that's not the way YOU'VE been brought up...

Also, I want to say something...I do believe that her kids would hug her for disiplining them, because, apparently, her children understand the concept of disipline...meaning..."you've done something wrong, so you should learn from it! And to teach you a lesson, you get privledges taken away." Her kids would never smack her, or refuse to be disiplined because...
a.) it says not to in the bible and that's what they've been taught-the bible
b.) They understand that they should RESPECT their parents...which means accepting disipline when it's giving...AND..NOT smacking them, or talkign back or whatever...which is good. Because if children aren't talk respect for their parents they're going to get out into what you people like to call, the "Real World" and they get jobs and have bosses that they need to RESPECT or they'll get fired...they aren't gonna know respect and they'll get fired...respect is a terrific thing.

ABlairican Pie · 11-25-2002, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by U2baby
Tucker will surely find a way to listen to whatever music he wants. She's insane to make it taboo for him, there are tons of excellent artists that he will be missing out on. It's sad really. She must not trust the kid or have enough faith in him.

Regarding Lisa's journal, a couple other things blew me away while reading it. There was an entry where she practically tries to justify slavery. How the founding fathers thought it was God's will or something like that. Yikes.
Second, regarding her bankruptcy. She made sure to say how Christians consider it immoral... then of course, she goes to her pastor and, lo and behold, they find a way to justify it for themselves. But anyone else who does it is immoral or un-Christian. Right wing hypocrisy at it's finest.

I've come to the conclusion she's a bit narrow-minded.

Yet I still read her journal, because I like them and their family and I enjoy having a glimpse into other people's lives.

All that said, she's still ok with me, anyone who is a big Survivor fan can't be all bad! It would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything.

PS - GO JAN!!! Winner of Survivor 5!!!

I remember reading that, too about slavery, I don't think she was really advocating it, she was describing what she had learned from some of the historical sites she had visited where they had said it was rather problematic to end slavery earlier on when they did in the Civil War. I think she was trying to give us an idea of the quandary that many lawmakers were in at the time, that even though it was necessary, it wasn't as easy as it looked...
Of course back then American legislators could have looked at the examples of Christians like William Wilberforce in Britain about ending slavery. I don't think she was advocating slavery. She wouldn't have had Kimmie or the Brooklyn Choir to listen to.

Jinny Girl · 11-25-2002, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Charlotte Rae Fan

ummm...I know I'm gonna get totally screwed over here...and people are gonna scream at me..but, this is my two cents...

okay, I've noticed that some people think that Lisa shouldn't be writing books about disipline..blah blah blah..and then they say things like, "My mom would never..." Well, did you ever stop to think that Lisa is giving her parenting views...AND then you're saying, she's wrong because that's not the way YOU'VE been brought up...

Also, I want to say something...I do believe that her kids would hug her for disiplining them, because, apparently, her children understand the concept of disipline...meaning..."you've done something wrong, so you should learn from it! And to teach you a lesson, you get privledges taken away." Her kids would never smack her, or refuse to be disiplined because...
a.) it says not to in the bible and that's what they've been taught-the bible
b.) They understand that they should RESPECT their parents...which means accepting disipline when it's giving...AND..NOT smacking them, or talkign back or whatever...which is good. Because if children aren't talk respect for their parents they're going to get out into what you people like to call, the "Real World" and they get jobs and have bosses that they need to RESPECT or they'll get fired...they aren't gonna know respect and they'll get fired...respect is a terrific thing.

I still think its pretty ridiculous that they would hug her for spanking them. I could go into everything in the bible about thiss stuff i disagree with but I wont. It's just weird. No matter how christian you are, very many people, after getting hit my their parents think "Gee, my parents whooped my ass!!! THEY ARE SO COOL! I'm gonna go hug them". I'd just hit back. I know its WRONG and its DISRESPECTFUL and all that stuff, but people hit me, i hit them. Regardless of who they are. My mother and I have gone at it, physically, in the past.

I think her kids are just a little brainwashed and a little wierd.

ABlairican Pie · 11-25-2002, 11:18 PM

I think what I'd do is something I've thought about for a while: say if Tucker were my kid and I saw he had a "questionable" CD
(for Lisa, I listen to everything

), I'd show that I was interested in his music and see what he thought of it and not pass judgement, etc. "Whatcha got there? Disturbed? Hey, these guys rock!! Tell you what, if you do your chores and don't dip your sisters' pigtails in the toilet, I'll take you and your buds to see Disturbed and Good Charlotte at the Deck the Hall Ball at the Key Arena next month, and go out for pizza on top of that. Say, what song you like from their new album? 'Prayer'? Cool!!

See, your mom has nothing to worry about! They ARE religious!!"

Jinny Girl · 11-25-2002, 11:28 PM

when I have kids I'm probably gonna be one of those moms with 5 lip rings showing their 10 year olds ancient Slipknot articles ranting about how the nu metal of the year 2025 all was inspired by this and how its so much better and all that stuff.

My children will end up like me. Feared by their peers. its great. being scary is fun. i bet id scare lisa and tucker to death.

11-25-2002, 08:38 PM	#17
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,619	re: rebellion ))UOTE]Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world. Why should 13 year old's be so corrupt? I really don't understand the whole "rebellion" thing....and i'm 16, and have never had a point where I can remember wanting to rebel....Maybe I am just insane who knows. I think that in general more families should be family oriented...and since there not, you have to have smart and streetwise kids instead of wholesome people. But I guess Lisa is trying to set an example, I just don't think it is right for a normal family...But let's see how her family ends up. [/QUOTE] Actually, when I said rebellion I meant not in the way of blow stuff up and be a total punk but more in the way of having your independence and being cool and all those nifty rite-of-passage type things. I don't think that a person like Tucker should be corrupt. (That was a joke I was making back there about Slipknot and all that.)I'm just thinking of how Tucker probably wants to play and listen to music that says something about him and gives him some sense of identity. I just don't think as an aspring musician he's gonna find it in stuff like Jump-5 or Jaci or whatever so much in Christian music. They got rid of the really cool stuff years ago. Now it's teenybopper fluff with no guitars.
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11-25-2002, 08:54 PM	#18
DarleneIllyria Gone Forum Star Join Date: Oct 15, 2000 Posts: 19,086	Just a thought Well, how do you know something is good or bad? Seriously, I'm trying to imagine myself in Lisa's shoes. Is it the look factor? If she looks at the cd cover and the artists are in dark clothing and black lipstick and piercings everywhere, does that make her tell her kids that they can't buy the cd? It's just a cd cover. If they have a devil head on the front of the cover, it doesn't necessarily mean the music is sinful music or whatever. If she buys the kid an Eminem cd she could sit the kid down and say, 'Just because Eminem talks about doing this, doesn't mean the listener should actually do this.' I know some kids go wacko if they listen to Manson. Manson's lyrics doesn't provoke somebody to do something bad. You have to be messed up in the head already to go out and shoot up your school or something. I bet the same thing would happen if you listen to classical music, if you are messed up. If you are listening to a fast musical piece the voices in your head could tell you to take a gun and shoot your family. If you are listening to a slow piece the voices could tell you to blow your brains out. I hope everybody gets what I'm saying because I know I started rambling towards the top.

11-25-2002, 09:37 PM	#20
U2baby Go Veggie! Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 31, 2000 Location: OR Posts: 120	ITA Tucker will surely find a way to listen to whatever music he wants. She's insane to make it taboo for him, there are tons of excellent artists that he will be missing out on. It's sad really. She must not trust the kid or have enough faith in him. Regarding Lisa's journal, a couple other things blew me away while reading it. There was an entry where she practically tries to justify slavery. How the founding fathers thought it was God's will or something like that. Yikes. Second, regarding her bankruptcy. She made sure to say how Christians consider it immoral... then of course, she goes to her pastor and, lo and behold, they find a way to justify it for themselves. But anyone else who does it is immoral or un-Christian. Right wing hypocrisy at it's finest. I've come to the conclusion she's a bit narrow-minded. Yet I still read her journal, because I like them and their family and I enjoy having a glimpse into other people's lives. All that said, she's still ok with me, anyone who is a big Survivor fan can't be all bad! It would be a boring world if we all agreed on everything. PS - GO JAN!!! Winner of Survivor 5!!!

11-25-2002, 09:51 PM	#23
Jinny Girl Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2001 Location: ...I'm not sure (looks around) WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!!?!??!? Posts: 2,726	Well... my mother was never like that. She doesn't say anything about my all black woredrobe or dark makeup. She let's me listen to what I want. Including Stonesour lyrics that "Mother***er" is litterally every other word. I'm 14. Tucker isnt that much younger than me. Think of it thise way. Benji from good charlotte was onyl allowed to listen to Christian music as a kid, and he had to sneak CDs into his house, and Juse look at him now. points to freaky looking mohawk guy in avatar* Makes you wonder how lisas kida are gonna look in a few years.
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11-25-2002, 11:18 PM	#29
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,619	re: sheltered I think what I'd do is something I've thought about for a while: say if Tucker were my kid and I saw he had a "questionable" CD (for Lisa, I listen to everything ), I'd show that I was interested in his music and see what he thought of it and not pass judgement, etc. "Whatcha got there? Disturbed? Hey, these guys rock!! Tell you what, if you do your chores and don't dip your sisters' pigtails in the toilet, I'll take you and your buds to see Disturbed and Good Charlotte at the Deck the Hall Ball at the Key Arena next month, and go out for pizza on top of that. Say, what song you like from their new album? 'Prayer'? Cool!! See, your mom has nothing to worry about! They ARE religious!!"
	Last edited by ABlairican Pie; 11-25-2002 at 11:35 PM.

11-25-2002, 08:24 PM	#16
Georgia's on my Mind Senior Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Aug 19, 2001 Posts: 25,054	I don't know if I am the only person, but I think really the way Lisa teaches her kid's should be taught to the rest of the world. Why should 13 year old's be so corrupt? I really don't understand the whole "rebellion" thing....and i'm 16, and have never had a point where I can remember wanting to rebel....Maybe I am just insane who knows. I think that in general more families should be family oriented...and since there not, you have to have smart and streetwise kids instead of wholesome people. But I guess Lisa is trying to set an example, I just don't think it is right for a normal family...But let's see how her family ends up.

11-25-2002, 11:28 PM	#30
Jinny Girl Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2001 Location: ...I'm not sure (looks around) WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE!!?!??!? Posts: 2,726	when I have kids I'm probably gonna be one of those moms with 5 lip rings showing their 10 year olds ancient Slipknot articles ranting about how the nu metal of the year 2025 all was inspired by this and how its so much better and all that stuff. My children will end up like me. Feared by their peers. its great. being scary is fun. i bet id scare lisa and tucker to death.