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dawsongirl · 12-15-2002, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
I think the reason for the show was to capitalize on the spy trend going on in t.v.--which was one of the good things about the show. I enjoyed that part very much.

Hmm...interesting point. I never even thought about that.

ScannerWA · 09-25-2003, 07:15 PM

I think you can find anything offensive to someone. The entire point of the show was obviously to make light of a situation that desparately needed it. It gave people a chance to laugh at the Nazi's and cheer for the heroes.

Though it is completely understandable that someone who had been in that situation might take offense to the trajedies he/she endured... as if the show ignored the pain they were forced to suffer; I saw it as a way in which to laugh at a situation too horrible for words. Sometimes laughter IS the best medicine. Yet some may prefer tears... and that is good medicine too.

Hogan's Heroes never deminished my perception or understanding of what happened in that terrible time. Yet my amusement in the show was only enhanced by my knowledge of the period.

I never personally suffered in WWII, I wasn't even born yet. I'm glad that shows like Hogan's Heroes were around to watch when I was growing up however...

I liked Hogan's Heroes. Now you want to watch something horrifying, we'll be tuning in to "Leave It To Beaver" next... lol (jk)

LucyFan · 09-27-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by TJL
I always felt that this show really shouldn't have been made.

Exactly my thoughts. No wonder why TV Guide ranked it at #5 of the worst shows of all-time.

Mr. Television · 09-27-2003, 02:46 PM

Hogan's Heroes was a great show. Tv guide doesn't know what its talking about.

ABlairican Pie · 09-27-2003, 02:54 PM

Hogan's Heroes was based on the Otto Preminger movie "Stalag 17", which contained much humor as well as a lot of drama. I'm sure Werner Klemperer and John Banner caught a lot of flack for doing the show since both of them were Jewish (John Banner's family were killed in a concentration camp, and Robert Clary even was in one), but maybe by performing in the show, it gave them a chance to have a peace about their past.

Even though in the 60's the idea of making a "funny" Nazi POW camp was unthinkable to many, it still made sense: make the POWs into HEROES during the worst conflict in history--I believe the show was more about covert operations and spy stuff than it was about "laughing" at perpetrators of the worst human atrocities. Apparently they avoided those topics on the show like the Holocaust. They could have done things like set it during World War I or the Civil War or whatever, but it wouldn't have had the same impact as World War II. Anything about war is not always going to come off as funny.

ScannerWA · 09-27-2003, 02:59 PM

Well, nobody likes everything, and like I said... it's a topic that some will find offensive no matter what reasoning behind it.

Guess those of us who DO/DID like it can still enjoy it.

Those who don't... there's a lot of other shows to enjoy. lol

ABlairican Pie · 09-27-2003, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by ScannerWA
Well, nobody likes everything, and like I said... it's a topic that some will find offensive no matter what reasoning behind it.

Guess those of us who DO/DID like it can still enjoy it. Those who don't... there's a lot of other shows to enjoy. lol

I didn't find what you said offensive, I directed what I said above to people who found the show the "worst" show on television.

If HH is one of the "worst" shows, I'd like to see the competition!!

ScannerWA · 09-27-2003, 04:21 PM

Oops, sorry! I was making a general comment regarding those who didn't like it.

Which is ok... like I said, nobody likes everything. We all have our individual tastes. lol

I thoroughly enjoyed Hogans Heroes, Bewitched, Get Smart, and even the Brady Bunch and Partridge Family when they were on... yet I wasn't much of a watcher of Leave It To Beaver unless it just happened to be on...

dawsongirl · 10-01-2003, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by mr roper
Hogan's Heroes was a great show. Tv guide doesn't know what its talking about.

Exactly.

tom shaw · 10-01-2003, 07:49 PM

Well my dad was a WWII vet, and loved the show..It was not a slap in the face to our service men, just a TV show....

vedastone · 10-27-2003, 07:11 PM

How about judging the show on the acting, writing and production rather than our feelings about WWII and prison camps? TV Guide certainly must not have considered these important elements to rate HH so poorly. There is no arguing that although the premise may be offensive to many people, the show itself was a quality production. And if you can suspend the moral objections, you will likely admit it was quite humorous. Werner Klemperer, John Banner and Bob Crane were responsible for three of the most memorable characters in TV as far as I'm concerned. The plots were well written and complex for a sitcom, and the supporting cast was excellent. Lists like this one of TV Guide are less than worthless in my opinion.

dawsongirl · 11-04-2003, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by vedastone
How about judging the show on the acting, writing and production rather than our feelings about WWII and prison camps?

I'm not sure anyone knows how to do that.

Anyone who works for TV Guide anyway.

ScannerWA · 11-04-2003, 07:34 PM

Different people have different idea's of quality... that's why I never listen to a company's opinion on something, or a critic's review on a movie... after all, they have no clue what I might like or dislike in a TV show or movie.

Tweety · 11-18-2003, 10:22 PM

I've also heard and read comments attributed to Werner Klemperer and John Banner, saying that they always said that they would have quit the show on the spot if the writers EVER allowed the Germans to get the best of the Americans, even in ONE episode...

So, they apparently loved playing Germans who always, always lost...

HH was a great show...my Dad is also a US Army WWII Vet, and he loves the show...so does my Mom, who is German...

TV Guide just doesn't get it...this show had great acting and great writing (the plots were indeed very complex for a sitcom).

Long live Hogan's Heroes!!

Gilligan Jillian · 12-16-2003, 09:28 PM

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Long live Hogan's Heroes!

Amen!
TV Guide"knows nothing"!

09-27-2003, 02:46 PM	#19
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09-27-2003, 02:54 PM	#20
ABlairican Pie Member Forum Superstar Join Date: Dec 12, 2001 Location: Living where cats reign more Supreme than a pizza. Posts: 31,619	FYI... Hogan's Heroes was based on the Otto Preminger movie "Stalag 17", which contained much humor as well as a lot of drama. I'm sure Werner Klemperer and John Banner caught a lot of flack for doing the show since both of them were Jewish (John Banner's family were killed in a concentration camp, and Robert Clary even was in one), but maybe by performing in the show, it gave them a chance to have a peace about their past. Even though in the 60's the idea of making a "funny" Nazi POW camp was unthinkable to many, it still made sense: make the POWs into HEROES during the worst conflict in history--I believe the show was more about covert operations and spy stuff than it was about "laughing" at perpetrators of the worst human atrocities. Apparently they avoided those topics on the show like the Holocaust. They could have done things like set it during World War I or the Civil War or whatever, but it wouldn't have had the same impact as World War II. Anything about war is not always going to come off as funny.
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09-25-2003, 07:15 PM	#17
ScannerWA Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 25, 2003 Location: Snohomish, Washington USA Posts: 22	I think you can find anything offensive to someone. The entire point of the show was obviously to make light of a situation that desparately needed it. It gave people a chance to laugh at the Nazi's and cheer for the heroes. Though it is completely understandable that someone who had been in that situation might take offense to the trajedies he/she endured... as if the show ignored the pain they were forced to suffer; I saw it as a way in which to laugh at a situation too horrible for words. Sometimes laughter IS the best medicine. Yet some may prefer tears... and that is good medicine too. Hogan's Heroes never deminished my perception or understanding of what happened in that terrible time. Yet my amusement in the show was only enhanced by my knowledge of the period. I never personally suffered in WWII, I wasn't even born yet. I'm glad that shows like Hogan's Heroes were around to watch when I was growing up however... I liked Hogan's Heroes. Now you want to watch something horrifying, we'll be tuning in to "Leave It To Beaver" next... lol (jk)

09-27-2003, 02:59 PM	#21
ScannerWA Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 25, 2003 Location: Snohomish, Washington USA Posts: 22	Well, nobody likes everything, and like I said... it's a topic that some will find offensive no matter what reasoning behind it. Guess those of us who DO/DID like it can still enjoy it. Those who don't... there's a lot of other shows to enjoy. lol

09-27-2003, 04:21 PM	#23
ScannerWA Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 25, 2003 Location: Snohomish, Washington USA Posts: 22	Oops, sorry! I was making a general comment regarding those who didn't like it. Which is ok... like I said, nobody likes everything. We all have our individual tastes. lol I thoroughly enjoyed Hogans Heroes, Bewitched, Get Smart, and even the Brady Bunch and Partridge Family when they were on... yet I wasn't much of a watcher of Leave It To Beaver unless it just happened to be on...

10-01-2003, 07:49 PM	#25
tom shaw Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 09, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 47	Well my dad was a WWII vet, and loved the show..It was not a slap in the face to our service men, just a TV show....

10-27-2003, 07:11 PM	#26
vedastone Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Aug 05, 2002 Posts: 120	How about judging the show on the acting, writing and production rather than our feelings about WWII and prison camps? TV Guide certainly must not have considered these important elements to rate HH so poorly. There is no arguing that although the premise may be offensive to many people, the show itself was a quality production. And if you can suspend the moral objections, you will likely admit it was quite humorous. Werner Klemperer, John Banner and Bob Crane were responsible for three of the most memorable characters in TV as far as I'm concerned. The plots were well written and complex for a sitcom, and the supporting cast was excellent. Lists like this one of TV Guide are less than worthless in my opinion.

11-04-2003, 07:34 PM	#28
ScannerWA Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Sep 25, 2003 Location: Snohomish, Washington USA Posts: 22	Different people have different idea's of quality... that's why I never listen to a company's opinion on something, or a critic's review on a movie... after all, they have no clue what I might like or dislike in a TV show or movie.

11-18-2003, 10:22 PM	#29
Tweety Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Jan 18, 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,804	I've also heard and read comments attributed to Werner Klemperer and John Banner, saying that they always said that they would have quit the show on the spot if the writers EVER allowed the Germans to get the best of the Americans, even in ONE episode... So, they apparently loved playing Germans who always, always lost... HH was a great show...my Dad is also a US Army WWII Vet, and he loves the show...so does my Mom, who is German... TV Guide just doesn't get it...this show had great acting and great writing (the plots were indeed very complex for a sitcom). Long live Hogan's Heroes!!