Dead or Alive?

[UMfan77]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

As much as I'd like to believe Patricia Meehan and Nyleen Kay Marshall (Montana girls--woo!) are still alive, I believe Nyleen was murdered shortly after she disappeared

Nyleen may still be alive...during the segment, RS mentioned that the police received a letter from the abductor. The abductor wrote that Nyleen travels all over the country with him, they've even been to England. I'm not sure WHEN the letter was received but it makes me to believe that the abductor has made Nyleen his own child.

[kamy]

Originally Posted by UMfan77

Nyleen may still be alive...during the segment, RS mentioned that the police received a letter from the abductor. The abductor wrote that Nyleen travels all over the country with him, they've even been to England. I'm not sure WHEN the letter was received but it makes me to believe that the abductor has made Nyleen his own child.

I kind of see Nyleen's case going in the same direction as Sharon Marshall's. When Sharon was no longer needed Floyd got rid of her; I believe Nyleen eventually became more of a liability and was disposed of. Although I would like to think she's alive...

Thanks to everyone for posting; after I started the thread, I thought "What a stupid thread" but it sure beat me from searching for every case and seeing what everyone else thought.

[justins5256]

Originally Posted by kamy

Feel free to add any others...

A brief addendum...

Although I think he is now deceased, I think there is a good chance that Rogest Cain was alive for some time after he initially dropped out of site. I can see him relocating and getting a job someplace away from home, not even aware of his true identity. Or perhaps he was picked up by the police and admitted at a hospital somewhere as a "John Doe". I don't think there is much reason to suspect foul play in his disappearance, yet it doesn't seem like he disappeared willingly either. A medical condition, like a stroke, seems like a reasonable explanation, but also allows for the possibility of his continuing to live after he disappeared.

[kamy]

Originally Posted by justins5256

A brief addendum...

Although I think he is now deceased, I think there is a good chance that Rogest Cain was alive for some time after he initially dropped out of site. I can see him relocating and getting a job someplace away from home, not even aware of his true identity. Or perhaps he was picked up by the police and admitted at a hospital somewhere as a "John Doe". I don't think there is much reason to suspect foul play in his disappearance, yet it doesn't seem like he disappeared willingly either. A medical condition, like a stroke, seems like a reasonable explanation, but also allows for the possibility of his continuing to live after he disappeared.

Was he the black man that disappeared and was thought to have been disorientated? If so, I find it odd that when his son got word of a sighting and followed it, he "missed" him; the man was living under an alias and had left again right before his son arrived. Sounds bizarre, like maybe he purposely was trying to disappear?

[wiseguy182]

Originally Posted by justins5256

Interesting topic. I would imagine a lot (most?) of the "missing persons" featured on UM are dead.

I'm pretty sure Michaela Garrecht is dead.

The nature of the disappearance and the fact that so much time has passed without so much as a sighting of her makes it seem unlikely that she would still be alive all these years later.

How about Lisa Bishop? No sightings of her after she vanished, but tons of sightings of "Florian" in the years after Lisa disappeared.

Dottie Caylor and Christi Nichols - probably murdered by their husbands. I'm not aware of any sightings of them after their initial disappearances.

Cindy Anderson - again, I think too much time has passed for her to still be alive.

Judy Himes - probably dead even though some say she is alive and living in Omaha...

How about Charles Horvath? That's a case I could see going either way.

I think there were some unconfirmed sightings of Dottie Caylor in the midwest trying to start a new life, but it was probably someone provoked by Jule as an attempt to deflect some attention off of him and onto other possibilities.

Charles Horvath is a good mention for this topic, I personally believe he is dead. Same for Adam Hecht, which this case bores alot of similarities to.

[wiseguy182]

Originally Posted by kamy

Was he the black man that disappeared and was thought to have been disorientated? If so, I find it odd that when his son got word of a sighting and followed it, he "missed" him; the man was living under an alias and had left again right before his son arrived. Sounds bizarre, like maybe he purposely was trying to disappear?

yep, not to be confused with George Owens, which is a similar case.

[justins5256]

Originally Posted by kamy

Was he the black man that disappeared and was thought to have been disorientated? If so, I find it odd that when his son got word of a sighting and followed it, he "missed" him; the man was living under an alias and had left again right before his son arrived. Sounds bizarre, like maybe he purposely was trying to disappear?

Yeah, I remember that update, and yes, you pegged the right guy. Its hard to say if he left voluntarily. I thought he had just retired recently, and there didn't seem to be any indication that he would have a reason to leave his children and grandchildren. I'm not saying there wasn't a reason, as I'm sure there is much more to this story than what was shown, but if there was such a reason for him to want to leave, UM didn't disclose it.

I seem to remember that some pieces of paper were found in his car in which he had written down variations of his phone number, almost as if he was trying to remember what it was, but couldn't.

If he did go on to live on the streets as a transient, he could have moved around a lot and I think it's only in hindsight that one might think he was avoiding his family because he happened to drop out of site before they arrived to pick him up. I'm not saying you're wrong in your thinking, its just a different perspective.

He is still missing though...

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/724dmca.html

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by justins5256

Yeah, I remember that update, and yes, you pegged the right guy. Its hard to say if he left voluntarily. I thought he had just retired recently, and there didn't seem to be any indication that he would have a reason to leave his children and grandchildren. I'm not saying there wasn't a reason, as I'm sure there is much more to this story than what was shown, but if there was such a reason for him to want to leave, UM didn't disclose it.

I seem to remember that some pieces of paper were found in his car in which he had written down variations of his phone number, almost as if he was trying to remember what it was, but couldn't.

If he did go on to live on the streets as a transient, he could have moved around a lot and I think it's only in hindsight that one might think he was avoiding his family because he happened to drop out of site before they arrived to pick him up. I'm not saying you're wrong in your thinking, its just a different perspective.

He is still missing though...

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/724dmca.html

The most plausible explanation in my opinion is that Rogest Cain had a stroke and became disoriented. That could be why he remembered a little bit like his sister's phone number, or at least the numbers if not in the right order. He probably lived for a few years as he was reported to have worked some jobs but with his age and the effects of a stroke (if he had one) probably didn't live much longer than that imo. I did come across a cemetary website with his name on it several months ago so I inquired at the doe network and they told me his family had him declared dead years ago.

[kadrmas15]

Yes, I share the opinion that Kristi Nichols and Dottie Caylor are deceased. Marn Nichols and Jule Caylor and others profiled on the show like them such as Michael Haim, Mike Reimer, etc are typical batterers, it is all the women's fault if you ask them or if they do admit to something wrong, it was the women that provoked them to do it.

[UMfan0682]

I believe that the missing crew members from the "Casie Nicole" are probably dead. I think Nathan Neesmith was very lucky in swimming away from the others. I used to think they were in another country like the segment suggested, but after the phone calls to the families, I think their "friend" tried to smuggle them out of the country and they were caught and as a result killed.

[Todd Mueller]

I would bet everything I own that says Dottie Caylor is dead. When Jule Caylor said, "It was hell living with Dottie, it's been hell with her missing..." Real first-class guy.

The fact that he showed ZERO concern for her pretty much says he knows where she is, and that is not among the living.

Not to be morbid, but do you ever wonder where the majority of the missing and presumed dead are? Buried? Chopped up? Burned? I'm not trying to be funny... It just seems so hard to think you could make a person vanish completely from the earth, yet so many people have.

I can't imagine what I would do if that happened to a loved one of mine. Ugh.

[kamy]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

The most plausible explanation in my opinion is that Rogest Cain had a stroke and became disoriented. That could be why he remembered a little bit like his sister's phone number, or at least the numbers if not in the right order. He probably lived for a few years as he was reported to have worked some jobs but with his age and the effects of a stroke (if he had one) probably didn't live much longer than that imo. I did come across a cemetary website with his name on it several months ago so I inquired at the doe network and they told me his family had him declared dead years ago.

I completely agree with this perspective, it was just odd to me that he was just sighted days or a week before his son arrived and then picked up and left again (if indeed it was Rogest). Crappy luck or he's avoiding but my bets are the stroke theory as he was seeming to try to remember his sister's phone number and etc...

[JRA2000TL]

I think most are dead as well; especially the children. Seems like after all these years, most would be of a young adult age and would have the capacity to contact loved ones if they could.

It's possible for someone to drop off the face of the earth I guess and have their own life and a new identity, but most of these are average people that aren't the scheming type it seems--especially those like Kristi Krebs. If she were alive, I don't think she'd have the desire or mental capacity to create a new identity, start a new life, and just walk away.

[FanfromES]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Just remember the case of Patricia Carlton. Had some mental issues and memory problems after her surgery and wandered off and most of us would have probably guessed she had died but thankfully was found alive and well 35 years later.

Patricia Meehan case resembles the one of Patricia Carlton, they both had mental problems and one day they simply left (hey they even have the same name!). Maybe Patricia Meehan is alive and will be found someday just like Mrs. Carlton.

[kamy]

Okay, just seen this one for the first time and noticed it hadn't been discussed much on here: Elizabeth Campbell. True, several witnesses had thought they had seen her after her dissappearance, but it's been shown eyewitnesses can be wrong (Gayle Delano?) even though they feel 100% sure it is who they saw. My opinion: dead, probably killed shortly after she disappeared. Anyone else?

BTW, the update was creepy, even though it was just her purse!!!