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TVFactFan · 05-06-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bellbm

I don't know why everyone is so up in arms over ION trimming these episodes? I don't think any syndicated shows have ever been shown without having material cut from them (unless the show was produced after about 1996).

When Alice originally ran in syndication in the early 80s, the shows were chopped.

It's not the Editing that we have a problem with it's the SLOPPY EDITING that is annoying. Like a few said in this thread, ION cuts to a commercial while someone is talking at Mel's Diner and then when the show comes back on they are not even at Mel's. So that's why I decided not to record the eps anymore because the Editing is too sloppy. N@N edits their eps but not in a SLOPPY way

Brian Damage · 05-06-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bellbm

I don't know why everyone is so up in arms over ION trimming these episodes? I don't think any syndicated shows have ever been shown without having material cut from them (unless the show was produced after about 1996).

When Alice originally ran in syndication in the early 80s, the shows were chopped.

I understand shows have to be cut in syndication, but it really seems that ION cuts out huge chunks.

Ireneparalegal · 05-06-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I understand shows have to be cut in syndication, but it really seems that ION cuts out huge chunks.

Exactly. Solomon and Brian are totally correct. Back in the days when I saw ALICE in syndication, those episodes were great, compared to now on ION. My God, the commercial interruptions came on WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, not during a conversation.

Brian Damage · 05-06-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Exactly. Solomon and Brian are totally correct. Back in the days when I saw ALICE in syndication, those episodes were great, compared to now on ION. My God, the commercial interruptions came on WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO, not during a conversation.

My only guess is that this is a new network and they desperately need the ad dollars.

bellbm · 05-06-2007, 08:27 PM

Correct, and now most stations program in a "seamless program" way. Back in the day, a typical time clock for a station might look like this

top of the hour- start show
:01-:03 commercial
:03-:13 segment 1
;13-;15 commercial
;15-:26 segment 2
:28-:28:30- closing credits
28:30-30:00 commercials
30:00 start new show

Now, stations want one show to run into another, so they have to add the commercials into the show in areas that they weren't necessarily intended to be.

Ireneparalegal · 05-06-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

My only guess is that this is a new network and they desperately need the ad dollars.

Which probably explains why they have so many paid programming in their schedule.

Even when Alice was shown in syndication on TNN and other channels, it was NEVER edited this bad. It was like watching the show almost exactly like it was back when it originally aired.

Brian Damage · 05-06-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

Which probably explains why they have so many paid programming in their schedule.

Even when Alice was shown in syndication on TNN and other channels, it was NEVER edited this bad. It was like watching the show almost exactly like it was back when it originally aired.

I miss TNN

JAlanRuss72 · 05-06-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I miss TNN

Me too. The episodes I have recorded are from E! and TNN and the commercial breaks make a helluva lot more sense.

Ireneparalegal · 05-06-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JAlanRuss72

Me too. The episodes I have recorded are from E! and TNN and the commercial breaks make a helluva lot more sense.

I am sooooo glad I have season one Alice, thanx to you!!!

I miss TNN also.

The editing of 70's syndicated shows during the 80's and 90's was soooo much better.

JAlanRuss72 · 05-06-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ireneparalegal

I am sooooo glad I have season one Alice, thanx to you!!!

I miss TNN also.

The editing of 70's syndicated shows during the 80's and 90's was soooo much better.

I'm glad you enjoy the shows Irene!

I wish they were editing like they were back in the 80s. I never even noticed that shows were cut back then. They at least had SOME respect for the episodes/story continuity. I guess in the future, re-runs of shows are going to be like 10 minutes long. More like previews of coming attractions at the movies than like an episode-lol.

Ireneparalegal · 05-06-2007, 10:24 PM

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I'm glad you enjoy the shows Irene!

I wish they were editing like they were back in the 80s. I never even noticed that shows were cut back then. They at least had SOME respect for the episodes/story continuity. I guess in the future, re-runs of shows are going to be like 10 minutes long. More like previews of coming attractions at the movies than like an episode-lol.

Ahhhh, the good ol' days of syndicated shows..."those were the days my friend..."

bellbm · 05-09-2007, 11:59 PM

I will admit the editing is a bit rough on Ion, I watched "The Second Time Around" on Ion, and also streamed the episode on IN2TV. Ion cut out two critical scenes of Flo talking with Alice and Vera in the storeroom about her ex husband. It was about 4 minutes of material (cumulative).

Ion seems to cut entire scenes, whereas syndication cuts in the good old days (the 80s) would edit out lines here and there, but hardly ever an entire critical scene.

I didn't like TNN, they time copressed. That looks worse than anything.

Ireneparalegal · 05-10-2007, 12:06 AM

In tonight's episode abt Alice moonlighting, Ion actually cut when they were supposed to. After Alice walked out of the diner, the audience applauded and it went to commercial.

FredScuttle · 05-10-2007, 09:44 AM

They cut Tommy's scene completely on last nights episode (where he's pretending he's someone at the bar, requesting songs...pretty funny scene). I think they cut a scene early too, after the first commecial break. I don't remember seeing the scene where the girls were all lined up (they showed it on the closing credits).
Also, did anyone notice the guy hitting on Flo and Vera, was the guy who played Flo's first husband Big Daddy Dawson (Norm Alden). Another thing, I think that episode might have been the first time Mel told someone to "Stow it" (don't remember seeing it before last nights episode, unless it was cut out in a previous episode)

Brian Damage · 05-10-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FredScuttle

They cut Tommy's scene completely on last nights episode (where he's pretending he's someone at the bar, requesting songs...pretty funny scene). I think they cut a scene early too, after the first commecial break. I don't remember seeing the scene where the girls were all lined up (they showed it on the closing credits).
Also, did anyone notice the guy hitting on Flo and Vera, was the guy who played Flo's first husband Big Daddy Dawson (Norm Alden). Another thing, I think that episode might have been the first time Mel told someone to "Stow it" (don't remember seeing it before last nights episode, unless it was cut out in a previous episode)

Thanks for the heads up on what we missed.

I agree with Irene though, ION did a much better job of editing in last night's episode.

05-10-2007, 09:44 AM	#29
FredScuttle Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Oct 31, 2005 Posts: 477	They cut Tommy's scene completely on last nights episode (where he's pretending he's someone at the bar, requesting songs...pretty funny scene). I think they cut a scene early too, after the first commecial break. I don't remember seeing the scene where the girls were all lined up (they showed it on the closing credits). Also, did anyone notice the guy hitting on Flo and Vera, was the guy who played Flo's first husband Big Daddy Dawson (Norm Alden). Another thing, I think that episode might have been the first time Mel told someone to "Stow it" (don't remember seeing it before last nights episode, unless it was cut out in a previous episode)
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05-06-2007, 08:27 PM	#20
bellbm Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 27, 2005 Posts: 92	Correct, and now most stations program in a "seamless program" way. Back in the day, a typical time clock for a station might look like this top of the hour- start show :01-:03 commercial :03-:13 segment 1 ;13-;15 commercial ;15-:26 segment 2 :28-:28:30- closing credits 28:30-30:00 commercials 30:00 start new show Now, stations want one show to run into another, so they have to add the commercials into the show in areas that they weren't necessarily intended to be.

05-09-2007, 11:59 PM	#27
bellbm Member Occasional Poster Join Date: May 27, 2005 Posts: 92	I will admit the editing is a bit rough on Ion, I watched "The Second Time Around" on Ion, and also streamed the episode on IN2TV. Ion cut out two critical scenes of Flo talking with Alice and Vera in the storeroom about her ex husband. It was about 4 minutes of material (cumulative). Ion seems to cut entire scenes, whereas syndication cuts in the good old days (the 80s) would edit out lines here and there, but hardly ever an entire critical scene. I didn't like TNN, they time copressed. That looks worse than anything.

05-10-2007, 12:06 AM	#28
Ireneparalegal LEGAL SPICE ;) Forum Legend Join Date: Jul 25, 2005 Location: OXNARD, CA - WHERE THE DALLAS COWBOYS TRAIN & PRACTICE Posts: 38,691	In tonight's episode abt Alice moonlighting, Ion actually cut when they were supposed to. After Alice walked out of the diner, the audience applauded and it went to commercial.