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Mastermind · 12-17-2008, 10:32 AM

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Why kill him at the plant? it doesn't make sense. Of course someone is going to come to the conclusion that it was Dave Bocks all they have to do is a head count of employees.

I have a feeling that this was not a premeditated murder. I think it was a last minuted decision to dump Bochs in the furnace.

GavinD80 · 12-18-2008, 05:41 AM

More than likely that he was killed by someone (accidentally or otherwise) over the possibility that Bocks might go public with issues relating to the plant. There was already some grumblings in the outside community about what was going on. The evidence seems more clear to this likely cause.

The Wikipedia entry for the facility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernald...duction_Center

Blackout · 11-21-2009, 09:13 PM

why would he pay off all his bills and buy his food for the week if he was going to kill himself?

Mastermind · 11-21-2009, 10:06 PM

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why would he pay off all his bills and buy his food for the week if he was going to kill himself?

Didn;t he live with his family? I imagine that he would want to make sure they were fed and didn;t have to deal with any lingering bills.

Blackout · 11-21-2009, 11:30 PM

no i don't believe he did - he was divorced for one

second why would he work such crappy hours?

Blackout · 11-21-2009, 11:31 PM

wow i think my computer just messed up - wwhat the heck

Blackout · 11-21-2009, 11:31 PM

can someone delete all those duplicate posts please

Mastermind · 11-22-2009, 10:03 PM

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no i don't believe he did - he was divorced for one

Didn;t he live with his daughter?

DALLASTEXAN!! · 11-24-2009, 07:34 PM

This is one of the true UM cases that will remain just that for all time. there is so much that points to both sides. Past depression history, he said she said, possible shady company practice, etc. There is evidence to support both sides of the arguement. He may have took his own life without showing any suicidle trends. Or he may have been ready to turn on one of his superiors(or coworkers) which could have led to his murder. My guess is that if that were the case it would have had to of been a one person isolated incident. What I will say is if that were the case they pulled off the perfect crime. and if he committed suicide he did such without showing any signs at the time which is not common either. Unless some new information comes to light this will always go down unsolved. Could it have been a accident?

Mastermind · 11-25-2009, 12:15 PM

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Could it have been a accident?

I believe the evidence points to him being lowered into the furnace.

egswanso · 11-25-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DALLASTEXAN!!

This is one of the true UM cases that will remain just that for all time. there is so much that points to both sides. Past depression history, he said she said, possible shady company practice, etc. There is evidence to support both sides of the arguement. He may have took his own life without showing any suicidle trends. Or he may have been ready to turn on one of his superiors(or coworkers) which could have led to his murder. My guess is that if that were the case it would have had to of been a one person isolated incident. What I will say is if that were the case they pulled off the perfect crime. and if he committed suicide he did such without showing any signs at the time which is not common either. Unless some new information comes to light this will always go down unsolved. Could it have been a accident?

I tend to agree. Suicide is certainly a possability, but it begs a few questions too - prime amongst those would be behavior seemingly inconsistant with someone who's going to kill themselves (planning for the future, paying bills, getting groceries, etc.) and the particularly gruesome and painful manner of the suicide - if he wanted to kill himself, I'd imagine there are much less painful ways of doing it.

As for the murder theory, it seems entirely speculation that Bocks knew anything that would get him killed. Much of this theory depends on the unindentified witness, who's the only reported person to see Bocks arguing with his supervisor or going to the wrong building (although it wasn't where he was killed. The looped wire certainly seems suspecious.

Since LE didn't participate, it's hard to know what they did or did not investigate:

did they interview the mystery witness? (if he only came forward to UM, that renders him suspect in my book)

did they interview the supervisor?

does the timeline make sense? That is, the witness saw Bocks alive, walking to Plant 4, at 5am. His body was dumped into the furnace at Plant 6 at 5:15am. Is this enough time to get from place to place? I don't know how big the plant is or what security there was, but 15 minutes isn't alot of time.

can you tell from the temperate drop if Bocks fell/was pushed in or was slowing lowered in? Would it be possible for Bocks to lower himself in?

On a less serious note, "investigative reporter" D.C. Cole has to be one of the more unique looking individuals appearing on UM... but a quick web search of Mr. Cole shows he is big on nutjob-fringe theories, including "theories" that the CIA/government affiliated satanist cults are going around murdering, torturing and abusing good christian children in the midwest. It might be guilt by association, but it makes me highly skeptical of anything he says and any cause he's affiliated with, including the idea Bocks was murdered.

synthisislab · 11-25-2009, 05:43 PM

What I'd like to know is if he had a good insurance policy and if so, did the family collect on it? He could have committed suicide and tried to make it look like an accident or murder. I also wonder what the death certificate said was the manner of death.

kadrmas15 · 11-25-2009, 05:55 PM

Hmm, that is a possibility of suicide or a possibility of murder. I tend to lean towards murder. It appeared to me from the way that furnace was set up, you could not even really jump into it or even really accidently fall into it. That you would have to be lowered into it. But UM left a lot out so I would be uncomfortable saying that is for sure one thing or the other. However I lean towards murder.

That said, people, if they want an insurance policy to pay out but want to have it both ways sometimes go to unusual lengths to commit suicide. I know that just the other day it was revealed a census worker in Kentucky had killed himself and in the months before his death had taken out over 600 grand worth of insurance on his life and wanted it to pay out to his son. But it would not pay in the event of a suicide. So he committed suicide but tried to make it look like a murder. He almost pulled it off. Very bizarre.

kadrmas15 · 11-25-2009, 06:01 PM

My guess is the cause of death was listed either as undetermined or as suicide. I still lean towards the fact he was murdered there. Yes he had been depressed over his divorce and had tried to kill himself, but that was 5 years before he died.

I guess I find it odd that Bocks would just happen to decide to kill himself after having a very lengthy and hated discussion with a supervisor earlier that night? It is just odd, something about it just stinks. It seems he was lured to his death in one of the plants and then lowered into the furnace. You had to open the tops of the furnace. In the furnace Bocks was in, I wonder if the furnace was found closed? If Bocks jumped in or fell in himself should the top of the furnace have been open not closed?

egswanso · 11-25-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kadrmas15

I guess I find it odd that Bocks would just happen to decide to kill himself after having a very lengthy and hated discussion with a supervisor earlier that night? It is just odd, something about it just stinks. It seems he was lured to his death in one of the plants and then lowered into the furnace. You had to open the tops of the furnace. In the furnace Bocks was in, I wonder if the furnace was found closed? If Bocks jumped in or fell in himself should the top of the furnace have been open not closed?

Of course, the only witness to the argument and of Bocks' mis-placement is of unknown veracity, so the whole story hinges on that. You have to wonder how much LE investigated this one.

11-21-2009, 09:13 PM	#18
Blackout Sart Bimpson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2003 Location: where the sun rises Posts: 2,236	why would he pay off all his bills and buy his food for the week if he was going to kill himself?
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12-18-2008, 05:41 AM	#17
GavinD80 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Dec 12, 2008 Posts: 17	More than likely that he was killed by someone (accidentally or otherwise) over the possibility that Bocks might go public with issues relating to the plant. There was already some grumblings in the outside community about what was going on. The evidence seems more clear to this likely cause. The Wikipedia entry for the facility. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernald...duction_Center

11-21-2009, 11:30 PM	#20
Blackout Sart Bimpson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2003 Location: where the sun rises Posts: 2,236	no i don't believe he did - he was divorced for one second why would he work such crappy hours?

11-21-2009, 11:31 PM	#21
Blackout Sart Bimpson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 13, 2003 Location: where the sun rises Posts: 2,236	wow i think my computer just messed up - wwhat the heck

11-24-2009, 07:34 PM	#24
DALLASTEXAN!! Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 31, 2007 Location: Devil's Backbone Posts: 3,139	This is one of the true UM cases that will remain just that for all time. there is so much that points to both sides. Past depression history, he said she said, possible shady company practice, etc. There is evidence to support both sides of the arguement. He may have took his own life without showing any suicidle trends. Or he may have been ready to turn on one of his superiors(or coworkers) which could have led to his murder. My guess is that if that were the case it would have had to of been a one person isolated incident. What I will say is if that were the case they pulled off the perfect crime. and if he committed suicide he did such without showing any signs at the time which is not common either. Unless some new information comes to light this will always go down unsolved. Could it have been a accident?

11-25-2009, 05:43 PM	#27
synthisislab Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 552	What I'd like to know is if he had a good insurance policy and if so, did the family collect on it? He could have committed suicide and tried to make it look like an accident or murder. I also wonder what the death certificate said was the manner of death.

11-25-2009, 05:55 PM	#28
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	Hmm, that is a possibility of suicide or a possibility of murder. I tend to lean towards murder. It appeared to me from the way that furnace was set up, you could not even really jump into it or even really accidently fall into it. That you would have to be lowered into it. But UM left a lot out so I would be uncomfortable saying that is for sure one thing or the other. However I lean towards murder. That said, people, if they want an insurance policy to pay out but want to have it both ways sometimes go to unusual lengths to commit suicide. I know that just the other day it was revealed a census worker in Kentucky had killed himself and in the months before his death had taken out over 600 grand worth of insurance on his life and wanted it to pay out to his son. But it would not pay in the event of a suicide. So he committed suicide but tried to make it look like a murder. He almost pulled it off. Very bizarre.

11-25-2009, 06:01 PM	#29
kadrmas15 Retired from Board 03/03/11 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 11, 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,910	My guess is the cause of death was listed either as undetermined or as suicide. I still lean towards the fact he was murdered there. Yes he had been depressed over his divorce and had tried to kill himself, but that was 5 years before he died. I guess I find it odd that Bocks would just happen to decide to kill himself after having a very lengthy and hated discussion with a supervisor earlier that night? It is just odd, something about it just stinks. It seems he was lured to his death in one of the plants and then lowered into the furnace. You had to open the tops of the furnace. In the furnace Bocks was in, I wonder if the furnace was found closed? If Bocks jumped in or fell in himself should the top of the furnace have been open not closed?