Ted Loseff

[Hambone2421]

I think this was a pretty clear cut case of murder involving Ted's wife. Now to what level her involvement was, I have no clue. As has been mentioned, she could have arranged for him to be killed or done it herself but I highly doubt he killed himself based purely on all of the evidence and circumstantial evidence.

[Stratego]

Obvious suicide. The murder plot just sounds ridiculous

[1990 UM fan]

Originally Posted by Stratego

Obvious suicide. The murder plot just sounds ridiculous

Care to elaborate?

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Stratego

Obvious suicide. The murder plot just sounds ridiculous

The biggest knock on the murder theory is where did all of the clutter go that was inside the garage? Also, the entire premise about the garage was brought about from Ted's mother's dream. I had forgotten about that.

[Rayroy]

Originally Posted by cocytus

W/O know Loseff's mental state it's impossible to completely rule out suicide. However, his wife's suicide after evidence was found possibly implicating her in his death, makes his death being a murder a possibility.

For this to have been a "hit" though, this would have taken the work of a skilled killer that apparently can keep his/her mouth shut. There aren't many of them and their services would cost quite a bit. How did Mrs. Loseff pay the killer?

I lean towards Mrs. Loseff giving her husband something and then leaving him in his vehicle w/ the engine running. That explains the lack of a traceable payment to a killer.

Criminals love people like you. This was clearly a murder even to a blind man.

[Rayroy]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Exactly. The housekeeper kept trying to get ahold of Loseff for about 8 hours but kept getting a busy signal when she called the house. IIRC, Loseff was dead during this time. Then after 8 hours, the phone began to ring. Zel knew that Ted was going to be murdered during that time period. The phone being hung up was the way to let her know it was over, IMO.

Zel was his mother, not his wife. The killer was Wilda.

[Rayroy]

Originally Posted by justins5256

I watched this again semi-recently.

I don't know that suicide should be ruled out.

There was a lot about the murder scenario that bothered me.

It was mentioned that an autopsy wasn't performed until several years after the fact.

The "murder" theory pretty much came to the mother in a dream.

The wife's bizarre behavior toward the mother could be a result of a bitter impending divorce (between the wife and Ted) exacerbated by chronic alcohol abuse.

All the beer can found at the scene. Loseff could have consumed the beer himself (even though he rarely drank). He and his wife were on the rocks and a divorce was coming if you believe the statement made to the housekeeper, Mary. Difficult times to be sure. He could have decided to knock back a few and end it all. What better way to end it as painlessly as he did.

He could have vomited from drinking too much and decided to change shirts before killing himself. The shirt he was found in was a dress shirt after all. Maybe he wanted to go out wearing his best.

Obviously, he did write the "suicide note" (as a friend testified) and it was kept around. He could have just used the same note on this occasion.

That's ridiculous.

[Stratego]

Originally Posted by justins5256

I watched this again semi-recently.

I don't know that suicide should be ruled out.

There was a lot about the murder scenario that bothered me.

It was mentioned that an autopsy wasn't performed until several years after the fact.

The "murder" theory pretty much came to the mother in a dream.

The wife's bizarre behavior toward the mother could be a result of a bitter impending divorce (between the wife and Ted) exacerbated by chronic alcohol abuse.

All the beer can found at the scene. Loseff could have consumed the beer himself (even though he rarely drank). He and his wife were on the rocks and a divorce was coming if you believe the statement made to the housekeeper, Mary. Difficult times to be sure. He could have decided to knock back a few and end it all. What better way to end it as painlessly as he did.

He could have vomited from drinking too much and decided to change shirts before killing himself. The shirt he was found in was a dress shirt after all. Maybe he wanted to go out wearing his best.

Obviously, he did write the "suicide note" (as a friend testified) and it was kept around. He could have just used the same note on this occasion.

Not ridiculous at all.

[TheCars1986]

It was definitely a suicide.

[Allierain]

Originally Posted by Rayroy

That's ridiculous.

Why don’t you put forward the reasons you disagree along with some evidence, instead of just insulting posts and posters? We’re not Reddit.