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Old 08-09-2025, 12:02 PM   #16
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If anyone hasn't seen it, or wants to watch it again, The Fear episode is on METV Toons today at 1:30pm est. This episode was originally planned as test pilot episode for an 80's Batman The Animated Series.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW2UAlOUKzo

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In this video, take a look back at the 1973 Saturday morning superhero cartoon, the Super Friends and some of their funniest and strangest goofs that made it to the final cut. Frady Cat looks at the Super Friends biggest goofy moments from the first very first season of Hanna Barbera's Justice League series that was super popular from the 70s into the 80s. The first season featured Wendy, Marvin, and Wonder Dog before the Wonder Twins took over in later seasons.

See goofs like the time the animators forgot to draw in Batman's arm as well as getting his costume wrong throughout the series quite a few times even missing his insignia completely. Superman's S insignia is reversed in one scene, Aquaman's voice came out of Batman, all kind of spelling errors, and even a magic trick with paper that will have you puzzled.

The Super Friends had other problems too such as the cast having to do all of the voices of almost all the characters including the voices of the bad guys. Pa Kent's voice came out of Ma Kent in the story of Superman's origin, as well as many issues that occurred due to time constraints such as characters changing appearance during a scene, and then there was Batman's amazing pool game where the balls disappeared and reappeared again during a break.

The Super Friends featured the voice talents of Danny Dark as Superman, Casey Kasem as Robin, Sherry Alberoni as Wendy, Norman Aldan as Aquaman, Frank Welker as Marvin, Shannon Farnon as Wonder Woman, and Olan Soule as Batman.
  • 0:00 Intro
  • 0:44 Batman goofs
  • 1:25 Superman arm wrestling
  • 2:12 Wrong spelling
  • 3:06 Batman's insignia is missing
  • 4:07 Batman's amazing pool game
  • 5:41 Batman's insignia is missing again
  • 7:13 Flash episode
  • 7:53 Superman's secret identity issue and disappearing and reappearing android
  • 9:04 Animators forgot to draw in Batman's arm
  • 10:02 Superman's origin Pa and Ma Kent mistake
  • 10:26 Aquaman's voice comes out of Batman
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If anyone hasn't seen it, or wants to watch it again, The Fear episode is on METV Toons today at 1:30pm est. This episode was originally planned as test pilot episode for an 80's Batman The Animated Series.
One of the things that I really appreciated about The Galactic Guardians season, is that they were actually trying to make an effort to finally "humanize" the Super Friends/Super Powers Team members. One of the biggest flaws that I have about the franchise is that really, there was no character development.

We know that the Super Friends are the good guys but that's just it. It's a very one-dimensional approach to writing the heroes. I mean, up until the "Fear" episode, we to the best of my recollection or knowledge, were never told or informed that Batman and Robin are really Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson respectively.

It seemed like Firestorm was the first Super Friends member to actually have a real personality. And they built upon that in the Galactic Guardians season, when they introduced Cyborg. I mean, Cyborg when he's first introduced, is more of a reluctant hero who wants to be a "normal person", but knows that he can never be one due to his mechanical appearance.

I guess, the Wonder Twins were like that too, but they also in fall into that really straight-laced, goody two-shoes (Zan and Jayna are basically, Donny and Marie Osmond with superpowers and Vulcan ears), "we don't have any inherent character faults" area. The Super Friends rightly or wrongly, were always presented more to be role models (Batman, when Olan Soule was portraying the character, prior to Adam West in the final two season, seemed more like your mild mannered boy scout leader/college professor, than a mysterious, dark avenger and vigilante) than actual people if that makes sense.

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That TV Tropes summary is a surprisingly good encapsulation of how Super Friends (1973–1986) went from a beloved children’s staple to a punchline within superhero fandom. It’s a textbook case of being “Condemned by History” — a work that was popular and culturally dominant in its day, but later judged harshly once the medium evolved. Let’s unpack the key reasons that happened, and the broader historical context behind each point:

🦸*♂️ 1. Once the Defining Image of Superheroes

For an entire generation, Super Friends was the public face of DC Comics. Airing on ABC for over a decade in multiple formats, it introduced millions of kids to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman. The show’s simplistic, moralistic tone reflected early-’70s television standards — violence was toned down due to parental and network concerns, and stories emphasized teamwork and ethical lessons.

But this created a lasting side effect: it trained audiences to associate superheroes with childish simplicity rather than dramatic storytelling.

🎭 2. Camp, Formula, and Repetition

Each episode followed an almost identical structure:
  • A global threat emerges.
  • The Super Friends split into teams.
  • They solve it through simple gadgetry or moral reasoning.
  • Everyone learns a lesson.

Even compared to other Hanna-Barbera shows, the writing was formulaic and sanitized. As comics and animation matured — especially after Batman: The Animated Series (1992) — Super Friends looked hopelessly dated.

🧒 3. The Kid Sidekicks Problem

Wendy and Marvin (and later the Wonder Twins) were meant to give young viewers “relatable” entry points into the show. But most fans, even as kids, found them annoying and useless. They had no powers, added comic relief that didn’t land, and often distracted from the actual heroes. This trope would become a cautionary tale for later adaptations (see also: Scrappy-Doo, Orko, Snarf).

🌍 4. Cultural Insensitivity and Tokenism

Later seasons added heroes like Apache Chief, Samurai, Black Vulcan, and El Dorado — attempts at diversity that were clumsy and full of stereotypes. These “Captain Ethnic” characters spoke in broken English, had vaguely defined powers, and mostly served to check boxes rather than enrich the cast. What was progressive for 1977 came across as embarrassing and patronizing by the 1990s and beyond.

🧜*♂️ 5. Aquaman’s Image Problem

No hero suffered more than Aquaman. Because the show constantly showed him riding seahorses or talking to fish, he became an Adaptational Wimp — the butt of countless jokes for decades. It took until Justice League (2001) and later Aquaman (2018) for his reputation to recover. Super Friends cemented that stigma in the cultural consciousness.

👩*🦰 6. Wonder Woman’s Marginalization

Despite being a founding member, Wonder Woman was often relegated to transportation duty — flying the invisible jet or serving as support while the men did the heavy lifting. This reflected the gender norms of the 1970s more than the comic’s content, but it reinforced the perception of her as less important than her male peers.

🎬 7. The Shadow of “Batman ’66”

Both Super Friends and the Adam West Batman show suffered the same fate: they became synonymous with camp. For mainstream audiences, this lighthearted tone defined superheroes for decades — unserious, corny, and juvenile. Even Superman: The Movie (1978) and Batman (1989) struggled to shake that legacy.

🦇 8. Supplanted by the DC Animated Universe

The premiere of Batman: The Animated Series (1992) was a seismic shift. Suddenly, superhero cartoons were cinematic, morally complex, and gorgeously animated. Compared to that, Super Friends looked like a relic from the Stone Age. Its simplistic storytelling and flat animation made it seem laughable rather than nostalgic.

🧩 9. Modern Reappraisal

Today, Super Friends survives mostly through ironic appreciation:
  • It’s referenced in parodies (Robot Chicken, Family Guy, Harley Quinn).
  • Fans view it as “So Bad, It’s Good” nostalgia.
  • Some appreciate it as a sincere, if naive, reflection of early-’70s optimism about heroes.

But among serious DC fans or historians, it’s often treated as a creative low point — a “stain” that trivialized superhero mythology for a generation.

⚖️ 10. Legacy: Condemned by Progress

Super Friends wasn’t bad for its time — it fit its era. But as storytelling standards rose, animation improved, and audiences craved maturity, its limitations became glaring. It’s a victim of historical recontextualization: condemned not because it failed at what it tried to be, but because the medium left it behind.
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Wendy and Marvin always struck me as redundant anyway because there was already a "youth appeal" character in Robin. And Zan and Jayna, their direct replacements, became awfully redundant themselves in the Legendary Super Powers Show season (1984), when Firestorm, a decidedly less lame and corny "kid superhero" character was added.
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The dialogue often not sounding natural in Super Friends is even pointed out in this featurette for The Legendary Super Powers Show. So it isn't just me having this assessment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEuM4Hd8OXQ

It's touched upon beginning at the 6:50 mark. Super Friends, rightly or wrongly, was produced during an era where superhero shows that were aiming for a much younger audience had to overexplain everything. In essence, Super Friends was like illustrated radio, where you could close your eyes and still be able to follow the story very well.

Super Friends when you think about it, was in the same place where comic books were back in the 1950s, which were pretty quaint, simpleminded, and cornball. Comic books by the time that The Legendary Super Powers Show hit the air in 1984, were getting more complex and sophisticated.
Even in the final season, Galactic Guardians (1985), which was otherwise, arguably the most competently made season of Super Friends, there were still occasional lapses of unironically corny, overly theatrical dialogue. Like in the season premiere episode "The Seeds of Doom", there's early on, a scene in which Lex Luthor fires a Kryptonite net at Superman. And Superman says "Kryptonite webbing, I'm losing power!" I mean, who the hell talks like that!?

I guess part of the problem, is that Danny Dark always gave this bombastic "voice of God" approach to voicing Superman, that ironically made him seem more "alien" than maybe, he needed to be. And maybe another part of the problem is that I grew up listening to Tim Daly as the voice of Superman (I was really young during the latter portion of Super Friends' original run on ABC, so I have no first hand recollections of watching it during that time) who seemed with all due respect to Danny Dark, more "authentic", nuanced, and human (admittedly, Superman: The Animated Series came along well after John Bryne's 1986 Man of Steel reboot), despite still having a lot of gravitas to the role.
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The inaugural 1973 season of Super Friends (originally titled Justice League of America before a last-minute rename to distance it from "patriotic" connotations) was Hanna-Barbera's first foray into adapting DC's superhero team for Saturday-morning TV. While it introduced the core lineup of Superman, Batman, Robin, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman (with occasional guests like Flash and Green Arrow), operating from the Hall of Justice and responding to "Troubalerts," many comic fans at the time and retrospectively criticized it for straying too far from the gritty, serialized essence of DC comics. Excluding gripes about the teen sidekicks, here are the most commonly cited reasons for the backlash, drawn from fan discussions, reviews, and production analyses:
  • Excessive Toning Down of Violence and Action: To suit young audiences and adhere to 1970s broadcast standards (post-Valiant code era), the show avoided direct confrontations. Heroes rarely used their powers offensively—instead, villains were talked down, convinced to reform, or foiled through non-violent means like clever dialogue or environmental awareness. This "peaceful resolution" mandate made episodes feel preachy and sanitized, diluting the high-stakes heroism of comics where characters like Batman or Superman often engaged in intense battles. Fans felt it robbed the source material of its excitement and intensity.
  • Formulaic and Dragging Storytelling Structure: Each of the 16 hour-long episodes followed a rigid template: a Troubalert summons the team to a contrived crisis (often natural disasters caused by mad scientists or aliens), building to a quick, deus ex machina fix. The extended runtime stretched thin plots, leading to repetitive filler and slow pacing that prioritized moral lessons over dynamic narratives. This contrasted sharply with the serialized, character-driven arcs in Justice League comics, making the show feel more like a public service announcement than an adventure.
  • Limited Animation and Production Shortcuts: Hanna-Barbera's budget-conscious style resulted in static, low-frame-rate animation with reused assets, awkward character movements, and minimal background detail. Fans accustomed to even the modest dynamism of 1960s comics or prior superhero cartoons (like Superman shorts) found it cheap and uninspired, undermining the epic scope of DC's universe. The campy, over-the-top narration by Ted Knight (as the ominous voice of the Troubalert) amplified the cheesiness, turning what could have been tense alerts into unintentionally comedic bombast.
  • Deviation from Comic Book Canon and Villains: Rather than featuring iconic foes like the Joker, Lex Luthor, or the Injustice Gang, episodes leaned on original, far-fetched antagonists with "environmental" or sci-fi plots (e.g., weather-control devices or alien invasions). This sidelined deep lore, team dynamics, and moral complexity from the comics, reducing heroes to interchangeable problem-solvers in feel-good tales. Aquaman, in particular, suffered from diminished role, reinforcing stereotypes that lingered in pop culture.
  • Overall "Kid-Fodder" Tone and Lack of Respect for Source Material: Aimed squarely at preschoolers with embedded educational segments on ecology and ethics, the series prioritized wholesomeness over the mature themes (e.g., vigilantism, loss) in 1970s DC books like Detective Comics or Justice League of America. Comic enthusiasts, especially older teens and adults, saw it as condescending and corny, a far cry from the sophisticated reboots like Justice League Unlimited decades later. It set a precedent for DC adaptations being "dumbed down," fostering long-term skepticism.

Despite these flaws, the season laid groundwork for the franchise's longevity, influencing later iterations that addressed many issues (e.g., shorter episodes, more action). Fan sentiment has softened with nostalgia, but the 1973 version remains a punchline for "what not to do" in superhero animation.
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