Tami Lynn Leppert

[blacksymbiote]

By writing off Leppert as simply going crazy, you ignore key facts like

Curtis waits 5 days to file a police report even though Tammy was recently committed.
Curtis alludes to a Robert Valenti in the report who doesn't seem to exist.
Curtis sues Christopher Wilder for the "emotional damage" not "crime" of Tammy gone missing, then promptly drops it deciding he had nothing to do with it.
Curtis claimed Tammy filed a report with the police about being stalked that they have no record of.
They play up Tammy smashing a window as proof she's crazy, but she did it because the front door got locked on her.
Curtis seemed to be relying on Tammy's career as a sole source of income.
Tammy's close friends, ALL, think there was much tension in the home.
Tammy doesn't tell the sheriff or the doctors someone is out to get her.
Tammy goes out with friends in broad daylight despite thinking someone is after her.
Curtis claims Tammy would certainly call her if she were in trouble and when she seems to be, she doesn't.
Tammy seems to want to leave home voluntarily.

[bigted12]

Originally Posted by blacksymbiote

By writing off Leppert as simply going crazy, you ignore key facts like

Curtis waits 5 days to file a police report even though Tammy was recently committed.
Curtis alludes to a Robert Valenti in the report who doesn't seem to exist.
Curtis sues Christopher Wilder for the "emotional damage" not "crime" of Tammy gone missing, then promptly drops it deciding he had nothing to do with it.
Curtis claimed Tammy filed a report with the police about being stalked that they have no record of.
They play up Tammy smashing a window as proof she's crazy, but she did it because the front door got locked on her.
Curtis seemed to be relying on Tammy's career as a sole source of income.
Tammy's close friends, ALL, think there was much tension in the home.
Tammy doesn't tell the sheriff or the doctors someone is out to get her.
Tammy goes out with friends in broad daylight despite thinking someone is after her.
Curtis claims Tammy would certainly call her if she were in trouble and when she seems to be, she doesn't.
Tammy seems to want to leave home voluntarily.

You're missing out loads of things. You can believe anything from that the mom was overly pushy to she was the devil, thats fine...

But how do you get from that, and make any sane link between an independent person being called to the scarface set, because tammy has freaked out and is histerical because she's seen fake blood and then goes into a rant about money laundering and "where will i hide?" ??

No matter what you think the mother was doing, and you have no real evidence for it... how does the mother being pushy make a daughter go into some bizarre crying rant about money laundering? how does it make her believe that someone has parked a van outside the home to spy on her?

You seem to keep ignoring these things, because it doesn't back up your theory. there are people who have had the worst parents ever, abuse on every level, even sexual.. but they dont go into bizarre rants about money laundering and vans spying on them... they just don't.

another thing... if the mom was so bad and guilty... why take her to the medical center for a 72 hour evaulation? why take tammy to see the sheriff? why go on UM and do a segment!? what you're saying makes no sense.

You say that tammy didn't tell the police about the man trying to kill her, but she also didn't tell her about the problems at home.. meaning both could be fictional and more than likely are..

yet another thing, tammy was just about to leave for 3 months right? she had the chance to get away from her evil mother.. why not go then? why choose being dropped off shoeless in the middle of a street to do it!? no clothes, no money, no purse, nothing...

and 42 years later nothing..

you're dismissing everything you don't like as being "overplayed", the baseball bat thing is "overplayed" and UM "overplayed" the argument in the car...

I think like some others on forums like this, you've somehow arrived at a theory that you'll stick to, no matter what, no matter how much the evidence says it couldn't have played out like that.

[tvscript124]

Originally Posted by bigted12

Let's assume i'm right and one way or another she took LSD or something similar, it messed with her brain chemstry and her made her paranoid, well if she took something on the friday or saturday, then came home on the monday, then after 2 or 3 days or tammy acting strange they took her to the doctor, thats 5 days, so...

1. the drugs are out of her system

2. i don't believe they'd say "take a drugs test" to her anyway

and 3. would a drug test in 1983 be advanced enough to detect a drug like that?


when it comes to linking her sudden radical change in behavior to the party, although it's obvious, it's not an exact science right?

the drugs are never going to be in her system, even if they were, could they find them?

It would have been a little bizarre for the cops to think "well she believes that someone is spying on her in a van and she's just smashed the window with the baseball bat... so it must be that party"

i think that 50-60 years of these drugs have given us some perspective and evidence of how they can affect people mentally, that maybe we didn't have in 1983...

even if the police did suspect the party was the root of the cause, what would they do? knock on peoples door and say "tammy is smashing windows with a baseball bat, we think it's because of the party a month ago.."

that wouldn't happen.

To answer your last question, we don't know how coherente she was, if her mother or wing would have asked her those questions, if she took drugs, what did she eat, who she was with... would she have either wanted or been able to answer?

if she did chose to take LSD and she wasnt spiked... i mean how many 18 year old kids would say "sure mom, i popped LSD.." !?!

All very good points. And to clarify something in my original message: I meant that someone should have investigated that party AFTER Tami went missing. Maybe they just didn't think of it, or they did and nothing ever really came of it.

[bigted12]

Originally Posted by tvscript124

All very good points. And to clarify something in my original message: I meant that someone should have investigated that party AFTER Tami went missing. Maybe they just didn't think of it, or they did and nothing ever really came of it.

I don't know, maybe you're right, that someone could have been investigated for what happened, but it's too grey. the party was over a month before she went missing. we know she didn't have drugs in her system, and like another poster says, these drug test were expensive then and more than likely wouldn't have tested for LSD anyway, they also had no reason to test her.

Maybe now we can look back on it all and see that the party and drugs she took consensually or not are why she ended up the way she did.

But the police didn't have any evidence she took drugs and it becomes a difficult thing to relate a party from a month ago to someones bizarre behaviour today.

[blacksymbiote]

I believe Tammy no longer wanted to act or model and was doing whatever she could to get out of it. If she really did have these episodes, they could have just been brought on from stress and exhaustion of a life she didn't want. Her mother and Wing may not have wanted her to quit under any circumstances and Tammy then wanted to leave for Ft Lauderdale on her own. This would make sense as to why she didn't want to just leave for California since it would have meant more acting.
You can take the claims of Leppert's mental state at face value, but you can't deny the sketchy circumstances around the case.

[bigted12]

Originally Posted by blacksymbiote

I believe Tammy no longer wanted to act or model and was doing whatever she could to get out of it. If she really did have these episodes, they could have just been brought on from stress and exhaustion of a life she didn't want. Her mother and Wing may not have wanted her to quit under any circumstances and Tammy then wanted to leave for Ft Lauderdale on her own. This would make sense as to why she didn't want to just leave for California since it would have meant more acting.
You can take the claims of Leppert's mental state at face value, but you can't deny the sketchy circumstances around the case.

The great thing about these forums is that is gives people the chance to come here, speculate, arrive at theories, to question this person, to believe that another person is lying, to try and find links...

But it has to stay within some realm of reality, your theory that tammy didn't want to act anymore is just invented, it's not based on anything.

You've managed to take all this and essentially rewrite the entire story so it looks unrecognizable!

We only have "face value" when it comes to all of this because none of us were invovled, you're trying to put everything you don't like down to people lying, things being overplayed and now that 12 year old wing was an accomplice working with the mother to keep tammy in hollywood slavery so the cash was coming in to pay for his afro combs..

You put tammys behaviour down to "stress" how does stress have you arriving to those extremes?

Walter liebowitz said when he went to see her on the set after her breakdown, she went on about money laundering and "where will i hide?"

people under stress dont act like this, unless you're going to claim that walter is either lying, overplaying it and maybe working with tammys mom to get that scarface extra millions...

The thing is, when you do what you've done, you can essentially claim anything happened... i could say that the person who picked tammy up took her to an airport, and lied about the fight to protect her and divert the investigation, the calls she made to her aunt were from an airport payphone and she was actually having an affair with walter leibowitz, who paid for her to go... and no matter what the evidence says or logic says i just say "it was overplayed, they lied, tammy really wanted...."

[blacksymbiote]

The theory is mine, yes, but it comes from elements in the official report, interviews, research, etc. It's like you're arguing Linda Curtis didn't wait days to file a report or that she didn't name a Robert Valenti who doesn't exist as suspect or that she didn't drum up a nothing lawsuit against Wilder and then drop it. There's also what the people who knew Tammy and last saw her have said that indicates tension in her home life.
UM did get some things wrong. They say she had no shoes or purse which is incorrect as per her missing poster. They say she was let out at the Glass Bank, which is untrue as per the police report. They say she broke all the windows in her house when she only broke one to get the front door unlocked.
Walter Lebowitz is a disbarred attorney and yet another shady source for these mental illness claims. I might give these episodes more thought if they didn't come from such sketchy sources. I mean if a 72 hour stint in a medical facility didn't raise any flags, then I don't know what to say.

[bigted12]

Originally Posted by blacksymbiote

The theory is mine, yes, but it comes from elements in the official report, interviews, research, etc. It's like you're arguing Linda Curtis didn't wait days to file a report or that she didn't name a Robert Valenti who doesn't exist as suspect or that she didn't drum up a nothing lawsuit against Wilder and then drop it. There's also what the people who knew Tammy and last saw her have said that indicates tension in her home life.
UM did get some things wrong. They say she had no shoes or purse which is incorrect as per her missing poster. They say she was let out at the Glass Bank, which is untrue as per the police report. They say she broke all the windows in her house when she only broke one to get the front door unlocked.
Walter Lebowitz is a disbarred attorney and yet another shady source for these mental illness claims. I might give these episodes more thought if they didn't come from such sketchy sources. I mean if a 72 hour stint in a medical facility didn't raise any flags, then I don't know what to say.

Theories need to be based on some level of reality.

As someone who wasn't there, you need to stick somewhat to what we're told, although yeah you can question things..

But again, if you're going to say that every single person is lying, even the lawyer no! then it just gets silly.

You're even claiming that a 12 year old Wing was working with the mother to somehow keep tammy working as a cash cow! do you understand that tammy wasn't making any money? she wasn't jennifer anniston, her biggest credits are pretty much "girl number 3 sat in the background"

Her 72 hour stay at the clinic was for observation. because something was going on, something bigger than a pushy mother.

as for why the mother "waited" before reporting her missing? she was an adult.

It gets the point where when you re-write everything, call not one person a liar, but everyone... you could pretty much say anything. maybe tammy never existed, maybe the doctors are "sketched sources" who say they evaulated someone and didn't, maybe tammy was a creation of the family for whatever reason, played by wing with a wig at beauty pagants, maybe this was some elaborate life insurance scam for a girl that never existed all helped by shady lebowitz...

and you might think i'm trying to be funny, but no! if you say that not just a dozen things are lies, but EVERYTHING, then yeah, you can say anything and everything.

[Dogface82]

Originally Posted by blacksymbiote

The theory is mine, yes, but it comes from elements in the official report, interviews, research, etc. It's like you're arguing Linda Curtis didn't wait days to file a report or that she didn't name a Robert Valenti who doesn't exist as suspect or that she didn't drum up a nothing lawsuit against Wilder and then drop it. There's also what the people who knew Tammy and last saw her have said that indicates tension in her home life.
UM did get some things wrong. They say she had no shoes or purse which is incorrect as per her missing poster. They say she was let out at the Glass Bank, which is untrue as per the police report. They say she broke all the windows in her house when she only broke one to get the front door unlocked.
Walter Lebowitz is a disbarred attorney and yet another shady source for these mental illness claims. I might give these episodes more thought if they didn't come from such sketchy sources. I mean if a 72 hour stint in a medical facility didn't raise any flags, then I don't know what to say.

The only thing I see wrong with your theory is that it posted twice. LOL it's happened to me. You can delete the second one and the first will remain.
You have done a lot of independent research and have arrived at your own conclusions.
1) Tammy the victim was admitted to a clinic for 72 hours July 1983. The party she attended was prior to her work on Scarface which started March 1983. Any drugs would have been out of her system since a minimum of 4 months had passed. As for breaking a window because she was locked out in the summer heat. That is reasonable. If anone was inside and had ignored her they deserved her wrath. That she wanted or needed a break or change from the beauty queen life seems legit. That she was traumatized by events at or around that "Hollywood" party seem legit. Victims with PTSD often can't stand to be touched, grabbed or hugged and can react violently. I understand she was dropped off carrying flipflops. It is not clear whether her ride gave her the money she wanted to borrow. Probably not.

2) Her Mother sounds like a control freak. Sadly that seems to the norm. She seems to portray herself as the victim as have a couple of other mothers on UM. They maybe a victim but they are certainly not THE VICTIM. And seems to have attempted to exploited the situation to her own benefit.

3) UM didn't have a lot of time per segment. It is too bad they often presented incomplete or inaccurate information.

[blacksymbiote]

It seems like her mother also said before Tammy had a huge fear of blood which would explain her being upset at the Scarface scene.

[bigted12]

Originally Posted by Dogface82

As for breaking a window because she was locked out in the summer heat. That is reasonable. If anone was inside and had ignored her they deserved her wrath. That she wanted or needed a break or change from the beauty queen life seems legit..

is it?!

So it's "legit" to believe that for whatever reason, Tammy was outside, they had locked her out and for some bizarre reason ignore her, thats when the vengeful 80lb beauty queen grabs a baseball bat and does a joe dimaggio on the window?! everyone of course deserving of such wrath...

As for your second point, we can in many instances and scenarios try to figure out what somebody was thinking, for example, if a woman goes missing after leaving her car... then more investigation into the case shows she was out of gas, then of course we can speculate that in a logical chain of events she thought and planned and tried walking to find a gas station and something could have happened to her...

100%

but what we can't do is pluck career plans out of thin air for somebody we've never met. if you had sat down with tammy way back in 83' and she expressed some level of boredem with showbiz and while talking her to saw brochures for berkley or georgetown on her kitchen table, or even anything smiliar. then i'd say "hey! maybe you're right!"

but although i love to come here and think and ask questions and wonder what happened in all these cases... to invent tammys career plans and tell us what she did and didn't like...you can't.

[blacksymbiote]

There's a big difference in saying "Tammy was mentally ill and smashing windows" as opposed to "The wind blew the front door shut and she broke a window to let herself back in after nobody answered her cries."
If Tammy wanted to disappear rather than travel to do another movie, that would mean she didn't want to further her acting career. Easy enough to draw from that. How interesting that the guy she calls for a ride owes her money so she can have some cash and a ride to get away.

[TheCars1986]

Tami played a girl in a bikini in Scarface for two scenes. How long would she have been on set for? Maybe two days? I seriously doubt she was present when filming the bloody ending (the one her mother hinted at she saw which freaked her out because she hated blood). I think all of the mental problems, the overbearing mother, etc. have little to no bearing on this case. I think one of two things happened: she hitched a ride with the wrong person and was murdered, or she actually did hitch a ride to Ft. Lauderdale and met with foul play there.

[bigted12]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Tami played a girl in a bikini in Scarface for two scenes. How long would she have been on set for? Maybe two days? I seriously doubt she was present when filming the bloody ending (the one her mother hinted at she saw which freaked her out because she hated blood). I think all of the mental problems, the overbearing mother, etc. have little to no bearing on this case. I think one of two things happened: she hitched a ride with the wrong person and was murdered, or she actually did hitch a ride to Ft. Lauderdale and met with foul play there.

Maybe you're right, maybe it's like the sneha anne philip case and it's easy to get distracted by the things going on at work and in her social life when she was pretty certainly a victim of 911.

The thing is though, do we have any evidence that tammy was scared of blood? or is it just something that someone has invented trying to make a theory fit? and if she was afraid of fake blood, then having her to do a couple of scenes on a movie like scarface is a bizarre choice!

But lets pretend that this plucked out of thin air "fact" is correct and she was scared of fake blood, according to leibowitz she was hystrical in a trailer talking about money laundering and "where will i hide?"

The poster above me will claim that leibowitz lied... but why would he? he claims that tammy was talking about money laundring, what benefit does that have for leibowitz? so if she was frantic and hysterical crying about money laundering and "where will i hide?" whats the relation between that and seeing fake blood? none, it makes no sense.

so she was clearly suffering from some level of mental illness.

UM was full of cases where somebody maybe due to mental illness "episodes" just wandered off right? what was the case where a woman crashed her car and then walked off down the freeway never to be seen again, or the woman who appeared in a town not knowing who she was?

I don't have any reason to doubt the mother and wing, the poster above me claims that a 12 year old wing was in cahoots with the mother and they both lied to keep tammy raking in those millions from her role as an extra...

but i don't have any real reason to doubt them, if tammy was believing that a van was outside stalking her, bizarre rants about money laundering, having wing taste her mothers cooking scared it was poisoned and this 180 change after the party then it's very reasonable to think this has something to do with her disapparance.

she'd have to be very very very very unlucky to get out of that car after the argument and just happen to hitch a ride with a killer, or get to fort lauderdale and just happen to run into a killer...

maybe she did. but if her mental state was what we're told it was, that could have been the main reason.

i mean a girl so scared of fake blood! but is brave enough to get into a strangers car? thats a stretch.

[dynoguy88]

Her mother didn’t hint anything about watching the death scene on Scarface. It was verified by the director and others on set that she was there watching the scene get filmed. She had the breakdown immediately and then the director contacted Walter Liebowitz, the family friend Tammy was staying with in Miami while filming. Tammi had to be escorted to a trailer. That’s where Walter came to pick her up. She quit the film and went home.

The death scene in question happened on the fourth day of filming. All had gone well up to that point. Tammi’s part was recast with another bikini blonde (the woman who slaps Vinny next to the swimming pool and calls him a pig later in the movie.) It’s not uncommon for actors to be on set watching scenes get filmed that don’t involve them. Movies in particular have weird schedules where even the smallest part needs to be ready at a certain time.

I don’t question the breakdowns, whether they were PTSD related or not. But in the end, my gut still tells me her fate ended up being nothing more than wrong place and wrong time. I can see why the seven months leading up to her disappearance sound notable but it just didn’t end up mattering in the end. If she had ended up coming home that day with the friend who had picked her up, there still would have been major mental issues to deal with.