Katherine Korzilius

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by EighthStreet

Looking back at the first few pages of comments on this thread. This forum used to be a lot more... unhinged.

I remember arguing with someone over the fact that the mother's car would not have been hot to the touch if she was out driving it around. They were insistent that you cannot touch a car in the summertime without burning your hand. Wind and air were foreign concepts to them apparently.

[EighthStreet]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I remember arguing with someone over the fact that the mother's car would not have been hot to the touch if she was out driving it around. They were insistent that you cannot touch a car in the summertime without burning your hand. Wind and air were foreign concepts to them apparently.

Also the implication that humidity somehow makes metal and pavement hotter in Texas.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I remember arguing with someone over the fact that the mother's car would not have been hot to the touch if she was out driving it around. They were insistent that you cannot touch a car in the summertime without burning your hand. Wind and air were foreign concepts to them apparently.

Not just from touching the outside and that's it. External will cool down very quickly. Now, if it was kept in a garage and the outside of the vehicle were significantly above ambient air temp.. Something is up. But.. There's an amazingly small window of time that would be viable.

Stick your finger in the coolant or on the engine. That'd tell you if it had been driven recently. Coolant at ambient air temp should be about the ambient air temp (Slightly lower). If a car has been running.. Coolant is at ~210 degrees on newer cars, and 180 on older. And that would take at least 30 minutes to cool back down. Even on a cold day.

The cat runs at over 1000 degrees often.. But, being on the outside of the vehicle and underneath.. It cools down much quicker than you'd expect.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

-Mailboxes

This gave me a sick feeling...if you look at the speed limit sign next to the mailbox - there's now a sign that says "Slow - Children and Pets at Play"

It wasn't there in the segment...

https://youtu.be/-k0YDSCV70c?t=282

[mwcarolina]

I still to this day feel that she was a victim of an attempted abduction. Now I do think her mom got one thing wrong. I feel she didn't find her "perfectly placed for her to find." My guess is she got abducted from the lot, and was either pushed or jumped out of the speeding car. I don't think the abductor stuck around. I think they tried to kidnap, failed and drove off.

That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I can't see a 6 year old girl jumping on the back of her mom's car and not getting noticed while driving off. I don't know about others, but I tend to notice things in my rear view mirrors and I think I'd notice a kid on the street, especially my own. So that's my theory.

[tvscript124]

Originally Posted by mwcarolina

i know i am a minority in this case, but i stay with what i said months ago. I feel that someone TRIED to abduct her and she either fought back and was likely pushed from the car when she was fighting the killer picked her up and then set her nicely on the pavement, that's my view, i just dont see this being a hit and run and i dont think it was her falling from her mom's car.

I buy this theory for several reasons.

1) The mom does strike me as believable. You can quibble with how she shows emotion (commenters on the Filmrise video did) or whether or not she remembers things accurately, and even debate whether it was OK to let a 6 year old walk alone. But my gut tells me she is OK. I watched the segment and I didn't believe that the mom either did it deliberately or accidentally or covered up the girl falling off the SUV.
2) I just don't see how the mom or the brother would not know if the girl fell off the SUV. And if that's what happened, it's been almost 30 years. Surely someone would have revealed something in all that time. Bon Jovi wrote a song about it, but that's not enough to keep it quiet all this time. (The song is powerful.)
3) I'm not buying the abuse theory. Why do people automatically say abuse? Just because the mom said she'd been to the ER multiple times. Kids get injuries and sicknesses at the drop of a hat. This is not a JonBenet Ramsey situation (i never believed the parents were responsible there FYI.)
4) On this thread, way way back, someone posted an article that it was actually more than an hour between the time she was last seen and her mother found her body. This is one of those cases where what UM reported was mistaken. We know that happens. So, that is plenty of time for an abductor to strike.
5) People might say, "But she didn't know her kid was gone for an hour?"

It was a different time. We didn't have cell phones or constant "stranger danger" everywhere. Yes, there were pedophiles and bad people in 1996, but it was a way more innocent time. People did things we wouldn't do these days. Especially in a nice, wealthy neighborhood. Maybe some people wouldn't let their 6-year-old walk a short distance home, but some would. Her mom said she probably just stopped somewhere. Kids did that back then. Stop at a neighbor's house and lose track of time playing with the kids. Remember just going out to play and not coming home for an hour or more? I do.

Now, it's easy for us on this board to say "but they shouldn't have done that," like some people did on another thread with Kari Lynn Nixon. But finger pointing at parents for something that was the norm back then is useless.

6) I'm not sure about the whole "getting back at Bon Jovi" theory or, as I've read on the comments on the FilmRise video, something that happened because of the Illuminati and dark people in the music industry.
7) Bottom line, someone in that town or a stranger did it, then panicked and put her out to be found.

[Dogface82]

Has anyone considered that there was no mail that day. The child may have "hitched"a ride at the empty lot by standing or sitting on someones back bumper. Empty lots in afluent neighborhoods are where maintainence workers grab lunch or breaks. It would be possible for a crew or a single driver of a vehicle climbing into a truck or van not to notice a tiny kid climbing onto a rear step bumper. If she suddenly realised she passed her house and tried to dismount a moving vehicle it would account for her accident. Most people and a child probably wouldn't realize that you keep moving in the same direction as the vehicle. So if she stepped or fell off facing her house she would fall backwards after her feet hit the ground and slide or tumble in the vehicles direction of travel. I have seen adults break an ankle or arm because they tumbled opposite of what they thought at 15mph or less. This would account for the position and injuries. I couldn't find anything on which way her body was pointing. If it was head away from her house it would fit this scenario. If her head was pointed toward the house it is likely she fell from her mother's car. In my opinion it was probably a tragic accident.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by tvscript124

2) I just don't see how the mom or the brother would not know if the girl fell off the SUV. And if that's what happened, it's been almost 30 years. Surely someone would have revealed something in all that time. Bon Jovi wrote a song about it, but that's not enough to keep it quiet all this time. (The song is powerful.)

Well.. He's dead, so he isn't talking. The only one left who was there is the mother..

a 6 year old isn't tall.. I can see her on the bumper without the driver knowing. WE didn't have reverse cameras at the time, after all.

The mother drove the direction her body was found. Which isn't the direction she would have walked.

The odds are, she was on the back of the vehicle. Whether the mother and brother knew it or not.

[Killarney Rose]

I agree. Ocaam’s Razor for this one.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Dogface82

Has anyone considered that there was no mail that day.

I'm not sure how to read the above. Are you saying there was no mail that day, or saying "Hey, what if there was no mail that day?"

Either way.. It was a Wednesday. It wasn't a holiday.

Unless there's something odd that i'm not considering.. The mail would have run. The only question would be whether the family had any mail.. and considering it was 1996 and junk mail was still a huge thing and paperless billing really hadn't hit yet.. The odds are they would have mail. But.. That seems rather irrelevant. they still would have stopped to check.

[Dogface82]

[QUOTE=Labonte18;6364777]I'm not sure how to read the above. Are you saying there was no mail that day, or saying "Hey, what if there was no mail that day?"

Either way.. It was a Wednesday. It wasn't a holiday.

Unless there's something odd that i'm not considering.. The mail would have run. The only question would be whether the family had any mail.. and considering it was 1996 and junk mail was still a huge thing and paperless billing really hadn't hit yet.. The odds are they would have mail. But.. That seems rather irrelevant. they still would have stopped to check.[/QUOTE

It was mentioned no mail was found. I was thinking the little girl checked the box and maybe the family just didn't get anything that day. She could have been quick enough to hop on the bumper and grab onto something. Kids that age are almost invisible and very trusting. They think all of the grown ups are looking out for them. I worked construction in south Texas, Austin, Houston, Corpus during, the 70s and 80s. We constantly had kids around our jobsites. I also worked landscaping and security. The kids get your routine down. Some times they would pop up out of nowhere with a paper cup for you with water or koolaid. Someone mentioned the possibility of a worker kidnapping her. While it is possible, I think it would be more probable she rode on the back of a vehicle thinking it was only going a few houses down. There is no telling what a kid that age will try. It's possible she was riding her mom's bumper or someone elses and had a fatal fall trying to dismount a moving vehicle or the the vehicle hit a dip in road and threw her. I'm old in 1965 the girl who had the desk next to mine in first grade got out of the family car and moved into a blind spot. Her mother crushed her.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Dogface82

It was mentioned no mail was found. I was thinking the little girl checked the box and maybe the family just didn't get anything that day. She could have been quick enough to hop on the bumper and grab onto something. Kids that age are almost invisible and very trusting. They think all of the grown ups are looking out for them. I worked construction in south Texas, Austin, Houston, Corpus during, the 70s and 80s. We constantly had kids around our jobsites. I also worked landscaping and security. The kids get your routine down. Some times they would pop up out of nowhere with a paper cup for you with water or koolaid. Someone mentioned the possibility of a worker kidnapping her. While it is possible, I think it would be more probable she rode on the back of a vehicle thinking it was only going a few houses down. There is no telling what a kid that age will try. It's possible she was riding her mom's bumper or someone elses and had a fatal fall trying to dismount a moving vehicle or the the vehicle hit a dip in road and threw her. I'm old in 1965 the girl who had the desk next to mine in first grade got out of the family car and moved into a blind spot. Her mother crushed her.

Ah.. Ok.. I wasn't sure where you were going with the whole 'no mail' thing.

Again, to me, it's rather irrelevant. They were still going to stop at the mailbox to check.

The biggest thing to me.. She was found on the road the same way the mother went. And.. What was the timeframe? It was really, really quick all things considered.. I haven't ever seen an exact timeframe, but it seems everything happened within 15-30 minutes.

It's less difficult to believe that she was on the back of the vehicle than believing that abductor(s) just happened to be watching the mailbox and just happened to grab her during the 2 minutes that she was out of sight and just happened to toss her out of the vehicle...?

[freakbook]

Very simple, but tragic case.

She was found in the direction the mother was going with marks all over her body that looked like she tumbled from a moving vehicle.

The mother made a weird comment about how "she was laid out there to be found" AHEM AHEM *obsolving responsibilty*

Parents wound up getting divorced shortly after. Wonder if this had something to do with it? Perhaps Dad found out the truth

[tvscript124]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

Ah.. Ok.. I wasn't sure where you were going with the whole 'no mail' thing.

Again, to me, it's rather irrelevant. They were still going to stop at the mailbox to check.

The biggest thing to me.. She was found on the road the same way the mother went. And.. What was the timeframe? It was really, really quick all things considered.. I haven't ever seen an exact timeframe, but it seems everything happened within 15-30 minutes.

It's less difficult to believe that she was on the back of the vehicle than believing that abductor(s) just happened to be watching the mailbox and just happened to grab her during the 2 minutes that she was out of sight and just happened to toss her out of the vehicle...?

Here is what I don't understand and why I have the biggest problem with the "she fell off" theory.

WHY, if she did fall off and the mom knew about it and it was this tragic accident, go on "Unsolved Mysteries," a top show at the time and open yourself up to all that scrutiny? It doesn't make sense. Just to cover up your own guilt? That can backfire big time.

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by tvscript124

WHY, if she did fall off and the mom knew about it and it was this tragic accident, go on "Unsolved Mysteries," a top show at the time and open yourself up to all that scrutiny? It doesn't make sense. Just to cover up your own guilt? That can backfire big time.

The family, which had connections to Jon Bon Jovi, can publicly put the narrative out there that their daughter was the victim of an attempted abduction instead of the much more obvious answer: a tragic accident. This segment doesn't get made if this was some random family from some rural town in the south.