Missing content on S7 Ep1 Sept 25, 1994

[VHSJunkie]

Apparently their is missing content on Season 7 Episode 1 from the original airdate of September 25 1994. Not sure if its a segment,roll call,update,special alert,or something else. Anyone here know?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0737575/

[MediaHoarder]

What specifically is the source for this claim?

The Episode Guide does not describe anything as missing from that episode and describes the Amazon Release as synonymous with the original broadcast (likely untrue, but it would indicate if an entire segment was missing).

The Missing Segment Log does describe something as missing however.

Do you have an additional source beyond the Missing Segment Log?

[VHSJunkie]

Originally Posted by MediaHoarder

What specifically is the source for this claim?

The Episode Guide does not describe anything as missing from that episode and describes the Amazon Release as synonymous with the original broadcast (likely untrue, but it would indicate if an entire segment was missing).

The Missing Segment Log does describe something as missing however.

Do you have an additional source beyond the Missing Segment Log?

Do you have a non descriptive email you could share to continue the discussion there?

[MediaHoarder]

Originally Posted by VHSJunkie

Do you have a non descriptive email you could share to continue the discussion there?

I don't understand why that is necessary.

[VHSJunkie]

Originally Posted by MediaHoarder

I don't understand why that is necessary.

Someone recently uploaded an item file onto the Internet Archive with many of the missing from Filmrise segments with a document file listing the files they uploaded and ones still missing. In the file they mention something being missing from the particular episode's original airdate but not knowing what it is.

[The_King]

I don't know the specifics of this but:

- The only way we truly know is if the original broadcast exists or if a review of it exists.

- Things could be removed due to time constraints, copyright issues or damage to the footage.

- Humans make mistakes. People forget, incorrectly remember and make other errors.

- I would not look to the official youtube uploads as a source on whether something is missing from an episode or not.

[VHSJunkie]

Originally Posted by VHSJunkie

Someone recently uploaded an item file onto the Internet Archive with many of the missing from Filmrise segments with a document file listing the files they uploaded and ones still missing. In the file they mention something being missing from the particular episode's original airdate but not knowing what it is.

I think we've interacted on this forum before,I think you mentioned something about having the Dale Kerstetter segment with the Lifetime update?

[MediaHoarder]

With respect to the S7E1 missing material.

I'm guessing that the claim of a missing piece, even coming from two different sources, traces back to the same original source. Someone looked at this and decided something was missing.

Just looking at the episode I'm not entirely convinced anything is missing. If we take the runtime of the segments, credits, and introduction collectively and subtract the run time of the updates that would not have been in the original airing we are at a run time of 45:15 or thereabouts.

So the question is what was the correct runtime for a Season 7 episode in the original run? I don't have the information to say that precisely enough to be useful. If it was 45 minutes than its unlikely anything is missing here, but if it was 48 minutes than something has to be. Hopefully someone with the background to answer that can chime in.

There are often certain things which give away that an episode was tampered with. Often the intro sequence is obviously edited, with a transition not used in the original series and a change in Stack's voice that is slight but noticeable. In this episode I did not notice any such edit, but that does not prove there isn't one.

[sharonite]

Originally Posted by VHSJunkie

Someone recently uploaded an item file onto the Internet Archive

And how can I find this treasure trove?

A forbidden-site channel with many missing segments was recently taking down, but I vaguely remember said channel referring to a Facebook page.

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by VHSJunkie

Apparently their is missing content on Season 7 Episode 1 from the original airdate of September 25 1994. Not sure if its a segment,roll call,update,special alert,or something else. Anyone here know?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0737575/

I have the NBC version of this episode. Here is what I have as the description:

9/25/94 – Sci-Med: Bond between adoptees and their families. Wanted: Adam and Alaina Emery are wanted after Adam was convicted of murder. Wanted: Phyllis Strub is wanted for embezzling almost $250,000 from the credit union where she worked. Update: Travis Wade Duncan captured. Fugitive Hotline: RS profiles 3 wanted fugitives: Alan Verl Sneed is a former teacher wanted for child molestation, Edward Zakrzewski is wanted for murdering his wife and children and Nasario Palacious is wanted for felony dui and vehicular homicide.

[MediaHoarder]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

I have the NBC version of this episode. Here is what I have as the description:

9/25/94 – Sci-Med: Bond between adoptees and their families. Wanted: Adam and Alaina Emery are wanted after Adam was convicted of murder. Wanted: Phyllis Strub is wanted for embezzling almost $250,000 from the credit union where she worked. Update: Travis Wade Duncan captured. Fugitive Hotline: RS profiles 3 wanted fugitives: Alan Verl Sneed is a former teacher wanted for child molestation, Edward Zakrzewski is wanted for murdering his wife and children and Nasario Palacious is wanted for felony dui and vehicular homicide.

Thanks for chiming in, appreciate your extensive UM knowledge. What is interesting is your description matches what the wiki describes as the 10/14/94 broadcast perfectly, so something is definitely not lining up here. Perhaps the wiki has the wrong data and we've been looking at that?

[MediaHoarder]

Alright, while I was working on my UM database I came across a discrepancy which made me realize something had to be going on here. I realized I should have looked more closely the first time.

Starting with the Sitcoms Online Amazon Episode Guide. It is incorrect as to the composition of the Amazon Episode. The episode contains the segment "The Friend of Tom Vaughn" not "The Children of Hilda Craun" as indicated. Furthermore, its claim that this segment is as aired on 9/25/94 is likely wrong as well.

As to the Sitcoms Online Amazon Missing Segment Guide I believe it is the source of the missing segment claim. It does say that the following segments definitely aired on that date (Amazon runtimes in parenthesis)

Ice Man (run time ~11:05)
Frank Olson (run time ~16:38)
Larry George Update (~4:25)

These are also the only 3 segments listed as running on that date according to the Wiki. Clearly something else had to air here as the collective run time is too short.

The Amazon Episode features this segment with an update, which did not air that date but its duration gives a clue as to what must have been there to fill the time.
Tom Vaughn with Update (~11:51)

So whatever did air needs to be roughly that long. Now, according to the TV Guide 9/24/1994 (NYC) issue the segment aired was "coincidences linking adoptees with their birth families" which would be the segment:
Adoptee Connections (~11:35)

The problem is that same segment is listed by the wiki as airing on 10/14/94. However the duration would fit. I'm not sure about the reliability of TV Guide either, as the description for 10/14/94 bears little resemblance to the wiki listing for that date:

"Reports on a man's search for his son, who disappeared in 1991 from an adult-care facility; the arrest of a fugitive outside of a Boise truck stop; studies of twins separated at birth; and a family's search for a wife and mother who disappeared some 14 years ago."

It's worth noting that the wording of "twins separated at birth" could almost refer to a re-run of the adoptees, but given how little time passed between the airings that seems unusual to re-air. But there is something amiss here with these two air dates, something doesn't add up.

[MediaHoarder]

Alright, while I was working on my UM database I came across a discrepancy which made me realize something had to be going on here. I realized I should have looked more closely the first time.

Starting with the Sitcoms Online Amazon Episode Guide. It is incorrect as to the composition of the Amazon Episode. The episode contains the segment "The Friend of Tom Vaughn" not "The Children of Hilda Craun" as indicated. Furthermore, its claim that this segment is as aired on 9/25/94 is likely wrong as well.

As to the Sitcoms Online Amazon Missing Segment Guide I believe it is the source of the missing segment claim. It does say that the following segments definitely aired on that date (Amazon runtimes in parenthesis)

Ice Man (run time ~11:05)
Frank Olson (run time ~16:38)
Larry George Update (~4:25)

These are also the only 3 segments listed as running on that date according to the Wiki. Clearly something else had to air here as the collective run time is too short.

The Amazon Episode features this segment with an update, which did not air that date but its duration gives a clue as to what must have been there to fill the time.
Tom Vaughn with Update (~11:51)

So whatever did air needs to be roughly that long. Now, according to the TV Guide 9/24/1994 (NYC) issue the segment aired was "coincidences linking adoptees with their birth families" which would be the segment:
Adoptee Connections (~11:35)

The problem is that same segment is listed by the wiki as airing on 10/14/94. However the duration would fit. I'm not sure about the reliability of TV Guide either, as the description for 10/14/94 bears little resemblance to the wiki listing for that date:

"Reports on a man's search for his son, who disappeared in 1991 from an adult-care facility; the arrest of a fugitive outside of a Boise truck stop; studies of twins separated at birth; and a family's search for a wife and mother who disappeared some 14 years ago."

It's worth noting that the wording of "twins separated at birth" could almost refer to a re-run of the adoptees, but given how little time passed between the airings that seems unusual to re-air. But there is something amiss here with these two air dates, something doesn't add up.

[crystaldawn]

Originally Posted by MediaHoarder

Thanks for chiming in, appreciate your extensive UM knowledge. What is interesting is your description matches what the wiki describes as the 10/14/94 broadcast perfectly, so something is definitely not lining up here. Perhaps the wiki has the wrong data and we've been looking at that?

Thank you! I have a friend who obtained dozens of original NBC airings many years ago that he shared with me. He meticulously went through, documenting as he watched them. I honestly don't think there is a 100% accurate episode guide for UM out there. Let me know and I can share the episode guide I have based on what he documented (if I can find it, lol).

[VHSJunkie]

Originally Posted by crystaldawn

Thank you! I have a friend who obtained dozens of original NBC airings many years ago that he shared with me. He meticulously went through, documenting as he watched them. I honestly don't think there is a 100% accurate episode guide for UM out there. Let me know and I can share the episode guide I have based on what he documented (if I can find it, lol).

Nice to have such a valuable contributor like you on this post?

Do you have the Nyleen Marshall,Bill Rundle,Kari Lynn Nixon segments with the Lifetime update at the end(blue background,update typed out,creepy theme music playing)?

Do you know who operated the username channels of UMyouCantStopMe and umonrequest prior to the big takedown of 2013 on theforbidden site?
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