Katherine Korzilius

[Hambone2421]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but Katherine's brother Scott died a few years back. Here is a link to his obituary.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obit...zilius-9090538

It also mentions step parents so it appears that Paul and Nancy divorced.

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by Hambone2421

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but Katherine's brother Scott died a few years back. Here is a link to his obituary.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obit...zilius-9090538

It also mentions step parents so it appears that Paul and Nancy divorced.

I think we discussed that back when it happened. Sad.

It also doesn't surprise me that the parents divorced. There was.. A fair amount stacked against them there. The industry that he was in and.. Losing a child.. It's the exception vs the rule when people stay together after something like that.

[rusty spike]

I think the only facts of this sad case come from autopsy report and the the hospital confirming that the mom drove Katherine to the hospital. The rest of the events come from the mom because dad was out of town. The brother is said to have been there, but he was not interviewed and was shielded from this tragedy.

As others have pointed out, the family had hired a PI to disprove the report that Katherine had fallen from a moving vehicle and present a strong argument that she was the victim of a botched abduction. Why hire a PI unless the mom was trying to clear her conscience?

Now for a rusty story. My dad used to drive my childhood friends in the back of his Datsun pick up truck. He drove real slow while checking the mirrors to ensure that no one was falling out and to make sure my friends were sitting inside the truck bed and not balancing on the rails of the truck bed. Dad liked to give them a thrill so he would stop before driving down a steep hill to allow 3 kids to stand up behind the cab. Then he would drive real fast while they stood up holding onto the cab/roof of the pick up. Just before the bottom of the hill he would stop and get all my friends to sit down. He only did this dare-devil thrill going down the hill~ his thinking was that kids would fall forward and not backwards going down the hill. Going up the hill, everyone was sitting down and the truck would steer squirrelly. My friends loved going up and down in the pick up truck and squealed in delight. I'm not going to debate whether you could hold onto the truck, but we did during the Summer.

I think Katherine fell from a moving car and the mom has been overwhelmed by the accidental fall.

The most believed theory is that she jumped on and held onto the back of the SUV with one arm until she fell off.

Another idea is that the mom regularly allowed her kids to ride in the back of the SUV with the rear doors open and Katherine tumbled out. Or maybe Katherine was standing on the seat in the passenger section half way out the window and tumbled out. Maybe mom would drive fast to thrill the kids.

Here's a new idea- The race game.

Since the mom tells the narrative, we don't know what really happened. What if her son wanted to race mom with the SUV to the house? The son goes the short way and mom with Katherine go the longer way. Katherine is leaning out the window and tumbles. Mom stops and panics. She sees her hurt, maybe thinks Katherine is dead. She goes home and tells the son that Katherine went off to play in a field and to find her. Then composes herself to go pick up Katherine to drive her to the hospital.

I still don't understand why she transported Katherine and not call an ambulance.

Just some thoughts.

And the husband may have known that his wife can be negligient as a parent.

[rusty spike]

Just thought of another odd detail that has been brought up before- It had been a quiet day. I think Nancy stated that it was the most quiet.

How would she know that it had been a quiet day in her neighborhood?

Hadn't she been running errands most of the day?

Had she been in her yard watering the plants and or lounging in the shade, then that would make sense. I think that's a direct reflection from when Katherine was lying in the street. There was no one else around who may have witnessed her fall from a moving vehicle.

It's just an odd statement when Nancy had been running around town for most of the afternoon.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by rusty spike

Just thought of another odd detail that has been brought up before- It had been a quiet day. I think Nancy stated that it was the most quiet.

How would she know that it had been a quiet day in her neighborhood?

Hadn't she been running errands most of the day?

Had she been in her yard watering the plants and or lounging in the shade, then that would make sense. I think that's a direct reflection from when Katherine was lying in the street. There was no one else around who may have witnessed her fall from a moving vehicle.

It's just an odd statement when Nancy had been running around town for most of the afternoon.

While I think she's hiding something, I wouldn't look too deep into that statement. It just mean't that it was quiet when she was in the neighborhood

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by freakbook

While I think she's hiding something, I wouldn't look too deep into that statement. It just mean't that it was quiet when she was in the neighborhood

I agree.. that's like saying the neighbor who had 50 bodies in his crawlspace 'kept to himself'. Something of a throwaway comment.

[Pollyputthekettleon]

I think Nancy allowed for Katherine to ride the back of the car that day. I think Katherine fell off as Nancy took a bend. And when she got home not finding her on the back of the car but down the street injured she panicked. Thinking how would she explain this to everyone, she instead made a story up about her disappearance. For me the injuries she sustained being positive with a fall from a moving vehicle say it all. Did anyone else witness the child being found on the street injured? Have we only Nany word on the timeline ext? Where was the mail? If Katherine was allowed to get the mail from the mailbox she wouldn’t have been holding it if she was goin to ride on the back of the car, she would have handed it to her mom in the car to take. And if the mom said Kathrine was walking in the other direction she’d have clearly seen her before she drove off if that is what she is supposed to have done and if that was the case I don’t think Katherine would have then jumped on to a moving vehicle. Like she’d have had to get behind the car while it was moving. Would that even have been physically possible for a small child? She did take her to hospital to try get her treatment, and I’m sure Nancy was in an awful state, but I just think they left out the part of the story about what actually happened to Katherine as they knew it wouldn’t sound good. It was a tragic accident.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Pollyputthekettleon

I think Nancy allowed for Katherine to ride the back of the car that day. I think Katherine fell off as Nancy took a bend. And when she got home not finding her on the back of the car but down the street injured she panicked. Thinking how would she explain this to everyone, she instead made a story up about her disappearance. For me the injuries she sustained being positive with a fall from a moving vehicle say it all. Did anyone else witness the child being found on the street injured? Have we only Nany word on the timeline ext? Where was the mail? If Katherine was allowed to get the mail from the mailbox she wouldn’t have been holding it if she was goin to ride on the back of the car, she would have handed it to her mom in the car to take. And if the mom said Kathrine was walking in the other direction she’d have clearly seen her before she drove off if that is what she is supposed to have done and if that was the case I don’t think Katherine would have then jumped on to a moving vehicle. Like she’d have had to get behind the car while it was moving. Would that even have been physically possible for a small child? She did take her to hospital to try get her treatment, and I’m sure Nancy was in an awful state, but I just think they left out the part of the story about what actually happened to Katherine as they knew it wouldn’t sound good. It was a tragic accident.

Welcome!

And great first post. I agree entirely.

[Killarney Rose]

I agree as well.

[TheCars1986]

-Mailboxes

-Former Korzilius home

-Approximate spot of where Katherine's body was found

If you can look at those three pictures from street view and think that this was anything other than a tragic accident, I don't know what to tell you. This was a quiet, wealthy neighborhood in the middle of the afternoon. It's next to impossible for some random creep to have stumbled into this neighborhood at the exact time she was walking to her house after her mother dropped her off.

[Labonte18]

The only thing I won't take a side on is whether the mother is hiding that she knew Katherine was riding on the back of the vehicle.

Or, I can take both sides. Whichever you prefer.

I think I can make a very sane, rational argument for why she didn't know.. Just the same as I could make that argument for the fact that she did know.

I would.. HOPE, just from the basis of people having basic human decency and my ability to continue to at least SOMETIMES not just automatically assume the worst of people.. That she didn't know.

Because.. As i've said about other people.. If she knew, and she covered it up.. Which also likely means she involved her son in the cover up of it, lied to her husband and everyone else all these years.. The whole idea of "worthless as a human being" comes into play.

So.. Yeah.. I hope she didn't know.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

The only thing I won't take a side on is whether the mother is hiding that she knew Katherine was riding on the back of the vehicle.

Or, I can take both sides. Whichever you prefer.

I think I can make a very sane, rational argument for why she didn't know.. Just the same as I could make that argument for the fact that she did know.

I would.. HOPE, just from the basis of people having basic human decency and my ability to continue to at least SOMETIMES not just automatically assume the worst of people.. That she didn't know.

Because.. As i've said about other people.. If she knew, and she covered it up.. Which also likely means she involved her son in the cover up of it, lied to her husband and everyone else all these years.. The whole idea of "worthless as a human being" comes into play.

So.. Yeah.. I hope she didn't know.

My human decency died a long time ago. I believe that she knew, and was covering for her son or herself. Her comment that she made "it appeared that she had been "laid out" for her to find. Her hair was smoothed down, her shirt was straight, her shorts were straight, her toes were pointed straight, and her sandals were kept on." was bs. That's something she came up with to take the heat off of herself. It establishes a third party so the finger can't be pointed at her. She was also a little quick to hire a private investigator to prove her "innocence". They also got divorced a little later after the incident, so who knows if Paul found out she was lying

[Labonte18]

Originally Posted by freakbook

My human decency died a long time ago. I believe that she knew, and was covering for her son or herself. Her comment that she made "it appeared that she had been "laid out" for her to find. Her hair was smoothed down, her shirt was straight, her shorts were straight, her toes were pointed straight, and her sandals were kept on." was bs. That's something she came up with to take the heat off of herself. It establishes a third party so the finger can't be pointed at her. She was also a little quick to hire a private investigator to prove her "innocence". They also got divorced a little later after the incident, so who knows if Paul found out she was lying

And, if she fell straight backwards.. There's.. A possibility that she could land and look 'laid out'.. Remember. a closed head injury can happen at a pretty small distance.

So I don't find it impossible that she could look 'laid out' from falling off the back of the vehicle at.. What, possibly as slow as 10-15 mph in the neighborhood?

The fact that she had abrasions.. That'd be consistent with a fairly low speed backwards fall.. Maybe she lands on her feet, but, balance lost, falls backwards.. Broken arm can't get it behind her to brace herself.. Head whacked on pavement.. Kinda covers everything.. Including the abrasions on the back, back of shoulder, etc, etc.

Again.. We can't prove it either way.. So.. I just choose to more believe that it was a total accident and the mother didn't know.

I think you read too much into hiring a PI. If you didn't trust the police or thought the case wasn't getting the attention you thought it should get.. And you had money.. That probably would be a first step.

One thing that confuses me.. "Toes were pointed straight".. Umm.. What other direction would they be pointed? What, exactly, does that mean?

If she was on her back, I presume it means toes were pointed straight UP.. And if that's the case.. Closed head injury.. Seizure?

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Labonte18

And, if she fell straight backwards.. There's.. A possibility that she could land and look 'laid out'.. Remember. a closed head injury can happen at a pretty small distance.

So I don't find it impossible that she could look 'laid out' from falling off the back of the vehicle at.. What, possibly as slow as 10-15 mph in the neighborhood?

The fact that she had abrasions.. That'd be consistent with a fairly low speed backwards fall.. Maybe she lands on her feet, but, balance lost, falls backwards.. Broken arm can't get it behind her to brace herself.. Head whacked on pavement.. Kinda covers everything.. Including the abrasions on the back, back of shoulder, etc, etc.

Again.. We can't prove it either way.. So.. I just choose to more believe that it was a total accident and the mother didn't know.

I think you read too much into hiring a PI. If you didn't trust the police or thought the case wasn't getting the attention you thought it should get.. And you had money.. That probably would be a first step.

One thing that confuses me.. "Toes were pointed straight".. Umm.. What other direction would they be pointed? What, exactly, does that mean?

If she was on her back, I presume it means toes were pointed straight UP.. And if that's the case.. Closed head injury.. Seizure?

You're trying too hard. The M.E. said she had abrasions that were consistent with a fall from a moving vehicle as she had abrasions all around her body, like she fell and rolled on the ground.

[EighthStreet]

Looking back at the first few pages of comments on this thread. This forum used to be a lot more... unhinged.