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JamesG · 07-09-2023, 08:43 AM

California Governor Newsom Says he won’t Interfere with Leslie Van Houten's Release
by Bruce Haring
July 8, 2023

California Governor Gavin Newsom said Friday that he won’t ask the state Supreme Court to block parole for Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten.

The governor’s office said it was unlikely that the state’s high court would consider an appeal of a lower court ruling that Van Houten should be released.

Van Houten, now 73, was serving a life sentence. She could be freed in two weeks fom the California Institution for Women in Corona, her attorney, Nancy Tetreault, said.

She was recommended for parole five times since 2016, but Newsom and former Gov. Jerry Brown rejected all those recommendations.

Should she be released, Van Houten will be sent to a halfway house to learn basic life skills.

“She’s been in prison for 53 years. … She just needs to learn how to use an ATM machine, let alone a cell phone, let alone a computer,” her attorney said.

However, not everyone supports her release.

Cory LaBianca, Leno LaBianca’s daughter, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday, “For more than 50 years after the Manson cult committed these brutal killings, the victims’ families still feel the impact. My family and I are heartbroken because we’re once again reminded of all the years that we have not had my father and my stepmother with us.

My children and my grandchildren never got an opportunity to get to know either of them, which has been a huge void for my family.”

https://deadline.com/2023/07/califor...en-1235432341/

Penny Lane · 07-12-2023, 10:23 AM

https://people.com/former-manson-fol...=9656728-20230

Patricia Krenwinkel next!?

Bonniegirl · 07-12-2023, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Penny Lane

https://people.com/former-manson-fol...=9656728-20230

Patricia Krenwinkel next!?

OMG NO !! She was MAJORLY involved in both nights of murder. Her and Tex Watson will never be released ! And Susan Atkins and Charlie of course died in prison, but had they not they wouldn't ever had been released. I dought Bobby Beausalais (sp.) will ever be either . Clem ( Steve Grogan) has been out sinse 1985!!

And Bruce Davis, not that I'm advocating for him or anything, but what exactly did he do? They think he had a hand in Shorty Shea's murder, but not sure if it was proven? And he came to Gary Hinman's with Charlie when Charlie sliced his ear off. So I guess an accomplice to that? But it was Bobby and Susan who killed Gary. Very sad and horrific being he was their friend .

The whole thing is sad and horrific

, but the other people murdered weren't people they knew . Where as Gary was friends with them and opened his home and invited them in thinking they were there for a visit !

But regarding Leslie, she wasn't in on the Tate murder , and Pat and Tex were far more violent than her in the LaBianca murders. Again not advocating for her, but that is why she got released and Pat and Tex never will. They were REALLY BRUTAL, both nights !

Janice Johnson · 07-12-2023, 07:08 PM

I'm surprised I haven't seen any dark jokes saying something like,"Charles Manson will be burning in hell before Leslie Van Houten gets paroled! "

Yong Fang · 07-13-2023, 07:18 AM

I was born in 1967 so I have grown up watching Charles Manson in movies (the Original Heltwr Skelter movie was very well made). I have watched Charles Manson on YouTube a lot because he is fascinating and he does sometimes say some intelligent things through all the gibberish.

For me, Van Houten was brainwashed and in prison has come to her senses. I have seen several interviews with her and she was a beautiful woman who was very articulate. But, she and her gang invaded the home of a middle aged couple for absolutely no reason, tied them up and murdered them by stabbing one by one with the second victim listening to the first victim die. I believe in Capital Punishment and she and her gang should have been executed. In the 1950’s into the 1960’s, California was like Texas now, if you are sentenced to death, you are going to be executed.

Do I think she is remoreful? Yes! I think she is probably the nicest person one could meet. No matter, she did what she did. She needs to stay in prison.

What is for her on the outside？She is elderly and has never paid into Social Security at all. I take it she has friends and supporters and she does have a place to stay. I think regardless, it would be fascinating to see this person, who has been in jail since 1969 navigate the World now. I would like to see her use the internet for the first time.

I probably can see the Menendez Brothees going “If she can get off, so should we!”

Yong Fang · 07-13-2023, 08:38 AM

I was born in 1967 so I have grown up watching Charles Manson in movies (the Original Heltwr Skelter movie was very well made). I have watched Charles Manson on YouTube a lot because he is fascinating and he does sometimes say some intelligent things through all the gibberish.

For me, Van Houten was brainwashed and in prison has come to her senses. I have seen several interviews with her and she was a beautiful woman who was very articulate. But, she and her gang invaded the home of a middle aged couple for absolutely no reason, tied them up and murdered them by stabbing one by one with the second victim listening to the first victim die. I believe in Capital Punishment and she and her gang should have been executed. In the 1950’s into the 1960’s, California was like Texas now, if you are sentenced to death, you are going to be executed.

Do I think she is remoreful? Yes! I think she is probably the nicest person one could meet. No matter, she did what she did. She needs to stay in prison.

What is for her on the outside？She is elderly and has never paid into Social Security at all. I take it she has friends and supporters and she does have a place to stay. I think regardless, it would be fascinating to see this person, who has been in jail since 1969 navigate the World now. I would like to see her use the internet for the first time.

I probably can see the Menendez Brothees going “If she can get off, so should we!”

Janice Johnson · 07-13-2023, 09:16 AM

Yong Fang, I said something similar about Leslie only being 19 and under the influence of drugs and Charles Manson when she committed the murders and has shown remorse after she got away from the influence of Charles Manson and drugs and got older. At 19 and on drugs and having an Older Man controlling your mind, a LOT of 19 year olds would have done the same thing.

In fact, Aaron Guerrero was just a year younger than Leslie was and was on drugs when he and Sierra Halseth murdered her Dad, Daniel Halseth. They had no remorse, giggling after Daniel's Murder. At their sentencing, they both had somber expressions. Daniel admitted he was high on LSD when they did the murder and implied he wouldn't have did the murder if he were clean. It was speculated that Sierra was high too. Away from the drugs,they came to terms about how badly they messed up and would be spending about 22 years in prison. Leslie was shown smiling at her trial, but in Parole hearings, she has somber expressions. I pointed out that at 73, she is no longer an easily influenced 19 year old, but an elderly woman now.

Dianne3 · 07-14-2023, 04:15 PM

What year did Leslie start her jail sentence?

The murders weren't solved until Dec 1969 when Susan Atkins bragged to a cell mate about them. Atkins at that time she was in jail for something else.

The murderers who weren't already in a jail, when did they go in? Did they go in Dec 1969 or at another date?

Janice Johnson · 07-14-2023, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dianne3

What year did Leslie start her jail sentence?

The murders weren't solved until Dec 1969 when Susan Atkins bragged to a cell mate about them. Atkins at that time she was in jail for something else.

The murderers who weren't already in a jail, when did they go in? Did they go in Dec 1969 or at another date?

Hmm. I wonder if Susan hadn't bragged about the Murders if the Murders would STILL be unsolved today and none of his followers would be caught for the murders.

Babalu · 07-14-2023, 04:30 PM

Liberal insanity

If my (hypothetical) relative's murderer were let out of jail, they'd only get about ten feet before they suffered from acute lead poisoning. Then I'd use the same asinine judicial system to get away with it.

Penny Lane · 07-19-2023, 01:12 PM

Interview with Debra Tate commenting on Leslie's parole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knjihz7xCcs

Penny Lane · 07-19-2023, 01:15 PM

Wow! Get convicted of murder and 50 years in prison and get a Master's degree! What a deal!

Dianne3 · 07-19-2023, 04:04 PM

Adding something else to Susan Atkins bragging and that is Linda Kasabian's testimony. Linda Kasabian was the driver since she was the only one with a valid driver's licence.

I need to do some more research to connect some dots. Since this thread in about Leslie Van Houten, I'm guessing it might have been Kasabian's testimony that put Leslie in jail. Susan Atkins bragging was for sure about night 1 of the murders, but I don't know if she was there on night 2.

07-12-2023, 10:23 AM	#17
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07-14-2023, 04:30 PM	#25
Babalu Member Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 22, 2014 Posts: 4,779	Liberal insanity If my (hypothetical) relative's murderer were let out of jail, they'd only get about ten feet before they suffered from acute lead poisoning. Then I'd use the same asinine judicial system to get away with it.
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07-09-2023, 08:43 AM	#16
JamesG Freakshow Moderator Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 01, 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 56,961	California Governor Newsom Says he won’t Interfere with Leslie Van Houten's Release by Bruce Haring July 8, 2023 California Governor Gavin Newsom said Friday that he won’t ask the state Supreme Court to block parole for Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten. The governor’s office said it was unlikely that the state’s high court would consider an appeal of a lower court ruling that Van Houten should be released. Van Houten, now 73, was serving a life sentence. She could be freed in two weeks fom the California Institution for Women in Corona, her attorney, Nancy Tetreault, said. She was recommended for parole five times since 2016, but Newsom and former Gov. Jerry Brown rejected all those recommendations. Should she be released, Van Houten will be sent to a halfway house to learn basic life skills. “She’s been in prison for 53 years. … She just needs to learn how to use an ATM machine, let alone a cell phone, let alone a computer,” her attorney said. However, not everyone supports her release. Cory LaBianca, Leno LaBianca’s daughter, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday, “For more than 50 years after the Manson cult committed these brutal killings, the victims’ families still feel the impact. My family and I are heartbroken because we’re once again reminded of all the years that we have not had my father and my stepmother with us. My children and my grandchildren never got an opportunity to get to know either of them, which has been a huge void for my family.” https://deadline.com/2023/07/califor...en-1235432341/

07-12-2023, 07:08 PM	#19
Janice Johnson Commercial Lover Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: May 30, 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 4,738	I'm surprised I haven't seen any dark jokes saying something like,"Charles Manson will be burning in hell before Leslie Van Houten gets paroled! "

07-13-2023, 07:18 AM	#20
Yong Fang Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2009 Location: Memphis Tennessee Posts: 3,072	I was born in 1967 so I have grown up watching Charles Manson in movies (the Original Heltwr Skelter movie was very well made). I have watched Charles Manson on YouTube a lot because he is fascinating and he does sometimes say some intelligent things through all the gibberish. For me, Van Houten was brainwashed and in prison has come to her senses. I have seen several interviews with her and she was a beautiful woman who was very articulate. But, she and her gang invaded the home of a middle aged couple for absolutely no reason, tied them up and murdered them by stabbing one by one with the second victim listening to the first victim die. I believe in Capital Punishment and she and her gang should have been executed. In the 1950’s into the 1960’s, California was like Texas now, if you are sentenced to death, you are going to be executed. Do I think she is remoreful? Yes! I think she is probably the nicest person one could meet. No matter, she did what she did. She needs to stay in prison. What is for her on the outside？She is elderly and has never paid into Social Security at all. I take it she has friends and supporters and she does have a place to stay. I think regardless, it would be fascinating to see this person, who has been in jail since 1969 navigate the World now. I would like to see her use the internet for the first time. I probably can see the Menendez Brothees going “If she can get off, so should we!”

07-13-2023, 08:38 AM	#21
Yong Fang Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 04, 2009 Location: Memphis Tennessee Posts: 3,072	I was born in 1967 so I have grown up watching Charles Manson in movies (the Original Heltwr Skelter movie was very well made). I have watched Charles Manson on YouTube a lot because he is fascinating and he does sometimes say some intelligent things through all the gibberish. For me, Van Houten was brainwashed and in prison has come to her senses. I have seen several interviews with her and she was a beautiful woman who was very articulate. But, she and her gang invaded the home of a middle aged couple for absolutely no reason, tied them up and murdered them by stabbing one by one with the second victim listening to the first victim die. I believe in Capital Punishment and she and her gang should have been executed. In the 1950’s into the 1960’s, California was like Texas now, if you are sentenced to death, you are going to be executed. Do I think she is remoreful? Yes! I think she is probably the nicest person one could meet. No matter, she did what she did. She needs to stay in prison. What is for her on the outside？She is elderly and has never paid into Social Security at all. I take it she has friends and supporters and she does have a place to stay. I think regardless, it would be fascinating to see this person, who has been in jail since 1969 navigate the World now. I would like to see her use the internet for the first time. I probably can see the Menendez Brothees going “If she can get off, so should we!”

07-13-2023, 09:16 AM	#22
Janice Johnson Commercial Lover Forum 4000 Club Member Join Date: May 30, 2003 Location: Miami, Florida Posts: 4,738	Yong Fang, I said something similar about Leslie only being 19 and under the influence of drugs and Charles Manson when she committed the murders and has shown remorse after she got away from the influence of Charles Manson and drugs and got older. At 19 and on drugs and having an Older Man controlling your mind, a LOT of 19 year olds would have done the same thing. In fact, Aaron Guerrero was just a year younger than Leslie was and was on drugs when he and Sierra Halseth murdered her Dad, Daniel Halseth. They had no remorse, giggling after Daniel's Murder. At their sentencing, they both had somber expressions. Daniel admitted he was high on LSD when they did the murder and implied he wouldn't have did the murder if he were clean. It was speculated that Sierra was high too. Away from the drugs,they came to terms about how badly they messed up and would be spending about 22 years in prison. Leslie was shown smiling at her trial, but in Parole hearings, she has somber expressions. I pointed out that at 73, she is no longer an easily influenced 19 year old, but an elderly woman now.

07-14-2023, 04:15 PM	#23
Dianne3 Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 07, 2002 Posts: 1,056	What year did Leslie start her jail sentence? The murders weren't solved until Dec 1969 when Susan Atkins bragged to a cell mate about them. Atkins at that time she was in jail for something else. The murderers who weren't already in a jail, when did they go in? Did they go in Dec 1969 or at another date?

07-19-2023, 01:12 PM	#26
Penny Lane Butter Pie Forum Icon Join Date: Jul 03, 2001 Location: Beneath the blue suburban skies Posts: 50,944	Interview with Debra Tate commenting on Leslie's parole. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knjihz7xCcs

07-19-2023, 01:15 PM	#27
Penny Lane Butter Pie Forum Icon Join Date: Jul 03, 2001 Location: Beneath the blue suburban skies Posts: 50,944	Wow! Get convicted of murder and 50 years in prison and get a Master's degree! What a deal!

07-19-2023, 04:04 PM	#28
Dianne3 Member Senior Member Join Date: Aug 07, 2002 Posts: 1,056	Adding something else to Susan Atkins bragging and that is Linda Kasabian's testimony. Linda Kasabian was the driver since she was the only one with a valid driver's licence. I need to do some more research to connect some dots. Since this thread in about Leslie Van Houten, I'm guessing it might have been Kasabian's testimony that put Leslie in jail. Susan Atkins bragging was for sure about night 1 of the murders, but I don't know if she was there on night 2.